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Many liberal, close observers of the elections during the Obama years saw what was happening with these efforts from the Koch brothers and other conservatives.

After the Obama victory in 2008, Obama and the leadership of the Democratic Party campaigns (the DSCC in the US Senate and the DCCC in the US House) allowed the energy of the 2018 election to dissipate. How did Obama win the 2008 election, yet lose so, so much during the 2010 election? WHERE were the Dem operatives to thwart this anti-democracy wave? A similar fate hit liberalism in 1994, with the shellacking we took immediately after the Clinton victory in 1992. For the first time since the 1930s, conservatives took control of the Congress in 1994. In both instances, Clinton and Obama tacked toward the supposed "center" which alienated many core constituencies.

A brilliant analysis of the failure of liberalism was presented by linguistics professor George Lakoff immediately after the 2000 George W Bush victory. Dems again were astonished that VP Gore lost the 2000 election. Lakoff wrote of the core principles of linguistics, which is the study of language and the art of communications. In short, Lakoff argues that we need to define liberalism and progressivism, stay on message and DO NOT use conservative language, speak to our base with an eye to expanding the base, and be positive and kind.

In other words, the more effort we spend bemoaning, the less attention we pay to the world we want to build. The following is from Lakoff:

TWELVE TRAPS TO AVOID

1. The Issue Trap. We hear it said all the time: Progressives won’t unite behind

any set of ideas. We all have different ideas and care about different issues. The

truth is that progressives do agree at the level of values and that there is a real basis

for progressive unity. Progressive values cut across issues. So do principles and

forms of argument. Conservatives argue conservatism, no matter what the issue.

Progressives should argue progressivism. We need to get out of issue silos that

isolate arguments and keep us from the values and principles that define an

overall progressive vision.

2. The Poll Trap. Many progressives slavishly follow polls. The job of leaders

is to lead, not follow. Besides, contrary to popular belief, polls in themselves do

not present accurate empirical evidence. Polls are only as accurate as the framing

of their questions, which is often inadequate. Real leaders don’t use polls to find

out what positions to take; they lead people to new positions.

3. The Laundry List Trap. Progressives tend to believe that people vote on the

basis of lists of programs and policies. In fact, people vote based on values,

connection, authenticity, trust, and identity.

4. The Rationalism Trap. There is a commonplace—and false—theory that

reason is completely conscious, literal (applies directly to the objective world),

logical, universal, and unemotional. Cognitive science has shown that every one of

these assumptions is false. These assumptions lead progressives into other

traps: assuming that hard facts will persuade voters, that voters are “rational”

and vote in their self-interest and on the issues, and that negating a frame is an

effective way to argue against it.

5. The No-Framing-Necessary Trap. Progressives often argue that “truth

doesn’t need to be framed” and that the “facts speak for themselves.” People use

frames—deep-seated mental structures about how the world works—to understand

facts. Frames are in our brains and define our common sense. It is impossible to

think or communicate without activating frames, and so which frame is activated is

of crucial importance. Truths need to be framed appropriately to be seen as

truths. Facts need a context.

6. The Policies-Are-Values Trap. Progressives regularly mistake policies with

values, which are ethical ideas like empathy, responsibility, fairness, freedom,

justice, and so on. Policies are not themselves values, though they are, or should

be, based on values. Thus, Social Security and universal health insurance are not

values; they are policies meant to reflect and codify the values of human dignity,

the common good, fairness, and equality.

7. The Centrist Trap. There is a common belief that there is an ideological

“center”—a large group of voters either with a consistent ideology of their own or

lined up left to right on the issues or forming a “mainstream,” all with the same

positions on issues. In fact, the so-called center is actually made up of

biconceptuals, people who are conservative in some aspects of life and progressive

in others. Voters who self-identify as “conservative” often have significant

progressive values in important areas of life. We should address these “partial

progressive” biconceptuals through their progressive identities, which are

often systematic and extensive.

A common mistaken ideology has convinced many progressives that they must

“move to the right” to get more votes. In reality, this is counterproductive. By

moving to the right, progressives actually help activate the right’s values and give

up on their own. In the process, they also alienate their base.

8. The “Misunderestimating” Trap. Too many progressives think that people

who vote conservative are just stupid, especially those who vote against their

economic self-interest. Progressives believe that we only have to tell them the real

economic facts, and they will change the way they vote. The reality is that those

who vote conservative have their reasons, and we had better understand them.

Conservative populism is cultural— not economic—in nature. Conservative

populists see themselves as oppressed by elitist liberals who look down their noses

at them, when they are just ordinary, moral, right-thinking folks. They see liberals

as trying to impose an immoral “political correctness” on them, and they are angry

about it. Progressives also paint conservative leaders as incompetent and not very

smart, based on a misunderstanding of the conservative agenda. This results from

looking at conservative goals through progressive values. Looking at conservative

goals through conservative values yields insight and shows just how effective

conservatives really are.

9. The Reactive Trap. For the most part, we have been letting conservatives

frame the debate. Conservatives are taking the initiative on policy making and

getting their ideas out to the public. When progressives react, we echo the

conservative frames and values, so our message is not heard or, even worse,

reinforces their ideas. Progressives need a collection of proactive policies and

communication techniques to get our own values out on our own terms. “War

rooms” and “truth squads” must change frames, not reinforce conservative frames.

But even then, they are not nearly enough. Progressive leaders, outside of any

party, must come together in an ongoing, long-term, organized national

campaign that honestly conveys progressive values to the public—day after

day, week after week, year after year, no matter what the specific issues of the day

are.

10. The Spin Trap. Some progressives believe that winning elections or getting

public support is a matter of clever spin and catchy slogans—what we call “surface

framing.” Surface framing is meaningless without deep framing—our deepest

moral convictions and political principles. Framing, used honestly at both the deep

and surface levels, is needed to make the truth visible and our values clear. Spin,

on the other hand, is the dishonest use of surface linguistic frames to hide the truth.

And progressive values and principles—the deep frames—must be in place

before slogans can have an effect; slogans alone accomplish nothing.

Conservative slogans work because they have been communicating their deep

frames for decades.

11. The Policyspeak Trap. Progressives consistently use legislative jargon and

bureaucratic solutions, like “Medicare prescription drug benefits,” to speak to the

public about their positions. Instead, progressives should speak in terms of the

common concerns of voters—for instance, how a policy will let you send your

daughter to college, or how it will let you launch your own business.

12. The Blame Game Trap. It is convenient to blame our problems on the media

and on conservative lies. Yes, conservative leaders have regularly lied and used

Orwellian language to distort the truth, and yes, the media have been lax, repeating

the conservatives’ frames. But we have little control over that. We can control only

how we communicate. Simply correcting a lie with the truth is not enough. We

must reframe from our moral perspective so that the truth can be understood. This

reframing is needed to get our deep frames into public discourse. If enough people

around the country honestly, effectively, and regularly express a progressive vision,

the media will be much more likely to adopt our frames.

In my humble opinion, liberals/progressives desire that our democracy must guide our economy and capitalism, and currently, our society is driven by an international economic system which controls our lives and or society. Democracy is NOT capitalism - one is a form of government and protections and the other is a man-made economic order. We must know the difference, and articulate this every day. And repeat the vision of a Democratic society, based on equality of opportunity and "liberty and justice for all." Then, we discuss our policies. AFTER laying our our moral vision. We must tie everything to a high, moral calling, which are the rights and responsibilities outlined in our democracy. WE must define democracy and our solutions, and repeat them, again and again.

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Mike S's avatar

I would say that "liberals" are often just nice folks whose values line up with treating other folks well.

As a consequence, you don't often find liberals calling for another person to be hung, or shot. You also don't find them mowing down people with cars in big crowds or going to parades with an AR 15.

Folks who end up as "liberals" found that path (and liberalism is a journey not a destination), by rational observation of current status and those observations do lead one to understand that some folks in this country have a raw deal and it is NOT the recipients of the "Farm Bill" welfare for white people package.

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MLMinET's avatar

Mike S, you have shared your conservative childhood and your migration from there to where you are today. you’re my touch point (I live in conservative country) so here’s the question: what was ‘broken’ enough that you started looking around? What triggered your awareness of the inadequacy of your former belief system? Was that a journey too or was there a smack-your-forehead event?

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Michele's avatar

MLMinET, I too grew up in a conservative household and I have sometimes wondered how I got past that. I was lucky early on to have my first grade teacher and her husband in my life and as lifelong friends. They were very different in their view of things and somehow I absorbed some of that. Also I saw my first racial incident when I was about seven in Chicago and I thought it was so wrong and unfair and that stayed with me. By the time I registered to vote the first time (as a R as my father was standing over me), I knew that I was not a R and would never vote for them at the national level. Then I went for three years to the Peace Corps in Sierra Leone and that changed my life further. Every time i went back to visit my father, he would initiate a political argument and I am sure he thought he had failed to raise me right. I did vote for a few Rs here in Oregon, but then the R party was so anathema to me that I have stopped voting for them ever and I do vote in every election including school boards. Even my next door neighbor who was a R pol at the county level can't stand the party anymore and is registered as an I although I think he votes mostly D if not entirely D now. The neighbors in back of us were once Rs and they will not vote for them anymore. However, we have plenty of wing nuts in this area.

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PhillyT's avatar

Great insight, thanks for sharing. Sometimes I think people like your Dad still think the Republican party is the party it used to be 50 years ago vs the party of today. They seem to be in a little bit of denial, or conservative media has made it seem like being Republican to them means they are a good person, and since they are good people it means the R party is de-facto good. I dunno, just morning thoughts.

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Michele's avatar

My dad passed away several years ago. I do wonder what he would make of death star and what the R party has become. However, he did listen to Limbaugh and asked me is I did. You can imagine my reply. He wanted to know why not and I had to explain how I was 180 degrees from those views.

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Karen Jacob's avatar

My dad died 5 years ago and was very concerned with world affairs. Twitched in his seat all of the time. He was a republican but politics were never spoken. I often wonder what he would think about what was going on now.

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Carol C's avatar

I agree with your morning thoughts about media making R’s feel like they are the good guys. And their party. They would certainly be the good guys compared to evil Democrat pedophiles who drink children’s blood. Not a high bar, though.

Along with conservative media, I fault self-described Christian churches for their focus on personal salvation and prosperity. Relatively little attention to what Jesus taught about how to be a good person.

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MissingInArizona's avatar

My parents and some family and family friends, I fear are stuck in that thinking too…these are not bad people, they are not without compassion…but to talk to them, it’s like they are stuck in a time warp and can’t see the reality of their party today.

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Ally House (Oregon)'s avatar

For a time, when Hatfield and Packwood were our senators, I also voted for them. I liked what Hatfield had done as Governor and felt they both represented the state well. Then Packwood got into his stupid man trouble and we got Ron Wyden, and when Hatfield retired we got Gordon Smith. I always admired how those two men worked together for Oregon and I never voted for Smith because of his prejudices.

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Julie Dahlman's avatar

Ditto but did not join Peace Corp but don't forget Tom McCall. The 90's and Newt drove me away from even considering a republicon.

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Michele's avatar

Likewise. We had a suit going agains our principal and our attorneys were also the attorneys for the Packwood women. I am very pleased with our Senators now. I had to hold my nose and vote for Schraeder because the the Rs were even worse. Now we are in a new district represented by Salinas. But on the state level, we got switched to districts that will probably never elect a D. Our rep is a total wing nut.

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Virginia Witmer's avatar

In sympathy. Having lived in Texas when it was purple, I feel sorry for any Democrat (where Is Charlie Crist ?) voting in the state.

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Ally House (Oregon)'s avatar

How was that new district drawn up?

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Michele's avatar

I think we were sacrificed to get the congressional map the Ds wanted. My political source says we can thank Courtney. Pffft.

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Robert stilwell's avatar

The 1979 book The Fear Brokers, by then Senator John McIntyre, had a forward by Hatfield. In it he lists 3 traits of the conservative strategy:

Hypernationalism, Manipulation of religion, and Racism.

David Corn describes how Hatfield was booed by Goldwater supporters at the Republican Convention in American Psychosis.

People like Hatfield were a light at the end of a tunnel, but we're heading away from it, and that light is all but completely gone.

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Mary Ellen Harris's avatar

I never forgave Packwood for ousting Wayne Morse...

I was actually a Young Republican in High School...however I graduated in 1964 so that was a completely different Republican party!

My first opportunity to vote was the day after my 21st birthday in 1966; I voted for Mark Hatfield for Senator and Tom McCall for Govenor, both Republicans. But they were "Oregon Republicans"; I have never voted for a Republican presidential candidate.

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MLMinET's avatar

My parents, may they rest in peace and bless their repub hearts, made sure to send me an absentee ballot when I was in school at Indiana University. I used it to vote for the dem (was that McGovern?) I have wondered many times what they would make of today's repub party. I'd like to think the repubs have gone too far over the cliff for them, but I can't say for sure for my mother.

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Peter Burnett's avatar

Ill at ease with the term "progressive" because of mistrust for the quasi-religious belief in "Progress" enshrined in 19th century positivism.

I am quite willing to accept being "progressive" in the humblest, most basic sense.

I see free choice as a single one. Not even a fork in the road. One road, two directions. One that leads us away from the truth of what we are towards all that we are not. The other, step by step towards finding our true nature.

A road all too often not taken...

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Peter Burnett's avatar

I hope others read these words you have just written and find them as refreshing as I do.

No need to bother with identification labels, just to be ourselves and keep putting one foot before the other.

Something surprising in this community, finding people who are just as they are, unashamedly free and straightforward.

I hope that you and everyone who tries to live like this will keep it up.

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Michele's avatar

I support most progressive causes, but I know progress is slow and I hold the far left in part responsible for our taking steps backwards because among other things, they didn't seem to realize the importance of having a sane person picking Supreme Court justices. Even after death star was elected, I was in a conversation with someone who didn't seem to understand that being a true believer on the left accounted in part, for the election of death star. Tried to mansplain American foreign policy to me, a history major who had taken a course in American foreign policy and was well aware of our foreign policy sins. Haven't heard from him since which is too bad because I liked him and he completely redid our house inside and was worth every penny. But his mother listened to, as one of his brothers called it, slit your wrist radio, KBOO in Portland. I did love it when one of my wing nut ex-classmates cited KBOO.

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Potter's avatar

I don’t believe there is a they, a “progressives”. I am not afraid of saying that I am a progressive or I am progressive, meaning in my views. That does not mean I belong to some coherent group or party. Nor does it mean I am “far left” or agree with those that are being so called. It’s all about putting people in baskets that don’t help, that instead may or do divide. By and large the far left and progressives in general have been pragmatic because of the danger of Trump. Maybe I am wrong or will be if they continue to oppose Biden.

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Michele's avatar

I don't agree with you in terms of what I term far left. They did aid and abet the election of death star. Locally they continued to diss Biden despite what he was doing in terms of being inclusive in his appointments and standing up for ordinary American. When people are at the extreme end of the political spectrum, they actually are very much the same in terms of not finding a compromise that could move us forward. So now no Roe. And who knows what this court will do in terms of fair and equal treatment and the environment, etc. In fact, despite warnings about Supreme Court selections in 2016, they dissed HRC, and then they either didn't vote for voted for Jill not green Stein. And I will put those people in extremist baskets because that's where they are just as some people are in the MAGA basket I am not afraid to say that I have progressive views either. I vote for Ds because they are the only option. Anyone else only helps Rs and they are off the rails for the most part. I think we have had this discussion before and I am not going to change my mind or apologize for placing certain people along the political spectrum.

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Peter Burnett's avatar

There are absolute priorities, but it is essential that we not permit ourselves to be sidelined by appearances like the presence of one representing the deepest Green values into unintentionally enabling the greatest universal harm possible: the election of that bumbling gone-to-seed lunatic, frontman for national suicide.

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Michele's avatar

Agreed.

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Potter's avatar

You are putting the extreme right and the extreme left in the same basket and that is unfair and wrong. They are not the same. The extreme left if such an organized group exists, is nowhere near the very organized extreme right in organization and tactics.

I don't know who you or anyone term or label the far left. It's nebulous and amorphous. And it's a convenient way to blame.

Moving us forward is what the left has been doing basically. The "left" is a much larger group than the "extreme left". Whatever, folks are idealistic about where we should be going, and often it's not realistic. To the point of voting for a spoiler in the election, I agree, that is very harmful. Nevertheless we need to aim our vision high.

The non-compromising sort, I agree, do harm. But I strongly disagree with the nebulous and amorphous characterization.

Sometimes you need the extreme to hold the line as well. Compromisers have done harm too. This country has been moving slowly ever more right because the Democrats compromise and the Republicans propagandize threaten and hold hostage. Obama was a centrist and seen as weak especially after his talk of being "bold and audacious". Clinton "triangulated", moved to the right.

Insofar as we have no Roe ( which was a compromise to begin with!!!) whose fault is that as you are blaming? Whose fault is this SCOTUS? Who did not fight hard enough? The Republicans all became radical right and partisan, while the Democrats remained compromisers centrists, left and far left to democratic socialists ( Bernie Sanders). Sanders had a lot of support, including mine.

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Michele's avatar

Your opinion, not mine. They have the same mind set of no compromise and that's what I'm talking about. I am not calling all people on the left extreme. I could give you some local examples, but they would not mean anything to you. For Roe I am blaming the Supreme Court and Mitch who would bring Garland forward and then we got death star who chose three unworthy people and made it easy to get the votes to end Roe. If you want to lose an election, call yourself a socialist even though people do not understand it. I never supported Bernie and I saw some of his local supporters try to pull a fast one at the local D county meeting. I felt sorry for the poos gal who was their candidate while they would run things. Then they insulted a very good person, long time activist D, by implying she would not count the votes accurately. They went down big time, btw. Frankly, they were two very loud egos. I would been OK with Bernie, but the behavior of some of his supporters turned me off. I am not a Bill Clinton fan either. I am well aware of the shortcoming of recent D presidents and they are still better than death star. I know what you think and we disagree. End of conversation as far as I am concerned.

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Potter's avatar

I have a big problem with your "they". "They" this and "they" that. "They" have compromised!

This is not a coherent organized group. It's a political point of view, a constellation of views, that some on the far left share in part. I would say many people would say they agree about progressive policies. Some people are afraid to call themselves progressive because the Right has made it a pejorative... and maybe too some on the Left. But the Left understands tolerates and respects progressives who are also tolerant and practical MOSTLY when push comes to shove lately. The days of Nader, of spoilers, are gone. Hopefully RFK,Jr.is not worth bothering about. There are "off" people, voters and wannabe leaders in every party

I remember that Sanders supporters incident. You remember the bad stuff well and carry it on. That was an isolated incident I believe. Sanders had energized support.

*Even Trump's supporters come in all shades. I am sorry but your use of 'death star' is not cute.

All those cute names the other immature political side uses are no no better on this side:

from Tom Nichols - The Atlantic

"But the prodemocracy movement must fight with the confidence and maturity of adults:

Ditch all the coy, immature, and too-precious language about former President Donald Trump and the Republicans. No more GQP, no more Qevin McCarthy, no more Rethuglicans and Repuglicans. No more Drumpf. No more Orange Menace … Be the adult alternative to the bedlam around you."

Juvenile nicknames too easily blur the distinction between prodemocracy voters and the people they’re trying to defeat. If you’ve ever had to endure friends or family who parrot Fox-popular terms like Demonrats and Killary and other such nonsense, think for a moment how they instantly communicated to you that you never had to take them seriously again.

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Louis Giglio's avatar

Thank you for the condensed version!l Frederick certainly has a thought provoking epistle. But like President Carter and Al Gore each given to intellectual analysis and solution to a problem, this 12 point proposition would leave many folks bleary eyed reading it!

Personally, I see the ‘conservative mind’ built on ‘either or’ reasoning. Thus right wing propaganda sound bytes become effective through the constant repeating of the distortions and out right lies.

The ‘liberal mind’ absorbs and ponders ‘shades of grey’. The liberal mind rejects the position ‘all…are…’ because one exception breaks that ‘rule’! As noted in a prior comment, the liberal mind evaluates different positions become making a judgement.

The conservative mind is susceptible to the dogmatic; this is how you do it; tell me what to believe!

The liberal mind is exemplified by my wife’s Irish Granny, who gave her brother 3 books when he started at a junior seminary, one by Thomas Aquinas, one by Martin Luther and one by Ghandi!

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Ally House (Oregon)'s avatar

There is another, biological explaination for some of this. People who self- identify as either liberal or conservative assess and process information in different parts of the brain. One study had self-identified liberals and conservatives make a financial investment decision which boiled down to "high risk/high reward" and "low risk/low reward". The decision itself was unimportant (but had nothing related to the self-identification as liberal or conservative; that result was mixed); what was important was the areas of the brain used in the decision making process. SI liberals accessed the frontal cortex for their thinking, SI conservatives utilized the midbrain. The gross oversimplification is that the frontal cortex is complex thought and the midbrain is the "survival center" of threat assessment. I find that fascinating.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

Ally, do you know where this analysis is from? find this fascinating as well - the distinction between liberals use of the "complex thought" source of the brain, and conservatives' use of survival aspect of the brain!

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Ally House (Oregon)'s avatar

I don’t have the original source; I’ve seen it referenced here by another reader, but lost the paper I wrote it down on.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

Thanks for being, ... you 😃

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

Frederick, thanks for taking the time to bring us the Laskoff piece. Ally brings up an interesting point of discussion. The source would be valuable. Prehaps Steve Schmidt is not, by that definition, a true conservative. In his writings he does not apprear to be.

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John Marksbury's avatar

The majority of Americans have only a sixth grade level of reading comprehension which means an

inability to properly analyze information and perform critical thinking.

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SPW's avatar

That sixth grade level is down from eighth grade level fifteen years ago. Dumbing down is working just as republicans want.

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John Marksbury's avatar

Absolutely. That’s why they want home schooling and starve education budgets.

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

Hmmm, very interesting. I wonder then if Steve Schmidt is by nature a genuine conservative. I read him every day and find him to be a genuinely warm and thoughtful human being. For many years, conservatives have been referred to as "reactionary". Interesting that midbrain thinking seems to be somewhat reptillian. We need more of this.

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Mary Ellen Harris's avatar

I have seen/heard similar information where SI conservatives operate from a fear relationship to the world and SI liberals operate from a comfort relationship to the world...ah, where to find that again...

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Doreen's avatar

Wow, that is fascinating about the brain

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JDinTX's avatar

I’ll buy that

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becky estill's avatar

I also think it is influenced by believing that people are inherently bad (original sin, must protect self from them) v. inherently good (buddha nature, must water their seeds of goodness).

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Patricia Davis's avatar

You all continue to amaze me with information . And Heather?

This is an education all in itself.

Thanks, everyone🫶

💙VOTE💙

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JDinTX's avatar

Just the golden rule, and “there but for the grace of God, go I”

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Fay Reid's avatar

Thank you for this post Frederick. I love the explanation of those 12 traps. They cut to the heart of our problems. Mainly 'talking over the heads' of our listeners. If you don't engage your listener they walk away with nothing. Also we need to approach them on an emotional level

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Karen Jacob's avatar

I like #11. trump speaks so simply and repetitively. I copied a quote from him. Repeated the same sentence with 4 modifications and used the word "battle" four times within those sentences.

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David Herrick's avatar

Frederick, this is great. Thank you! I'm not sure I agree with every part of your diagnosis of the American Left's failings, but you're certainly on to something as to why the right is so successful. I find your comment thought provoking, to say the least, and I hope the rest of HCRs followers take the trouble to read all the way through it. This should be a long and enlightening thread.

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Frank Loomer's avatar

Dont forget conservative biases built into the electoral framework: how the senate is elected, and gerrymandering, as ably presented by Heather. This long list is kind of a blame game dump on progressives, I do agree the Dems tend to take it out on themselves, much more so than the other side. How long have Frederick's issues been a staple of Dem self-blame? I'm sure ive heard some of this stuff 20 years ago, or more... the idea of the self-serving liberal elite rubbing it in on the rest of America. By the same token, Dems represent a broad coalition of ofen minority interests where Republicans are more culturally and ethnically cohesive and what should we call it, patriotic, rally around the flag and the troops. Yet how has that worked out? So, the very same Dems, took back Michigan simply by changing gerrymandered constituency. And, slightly aside, we have an American public which lopsidedly gives lower marks to Dems on economic issues, regardless of how badly Republicans do, mostly a piece of conservative self-serving dogma. And oh yes, shouldnt we look where corporate support goes in such a big way... Koch brothers, just for starters. How is that a Dem fault?

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Patricia S Duffy's avatar

As a Michigander, I was pleased to see HCR's mention of our hard-fought campaign for independent redistricting. Our republican state congress fought us every step of the way, but we prevailed. Thanks to our new, fair congress, we have more fair funding for schools, clean water, and safer roads and bridges. We're working on legislation to protect families from guns owned by abusive family members.

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Ann's avatar

In my several decades of living, the only time I have knocked on doors for a political cause was as part of the effort to end gerrymandering in Michigan. I was so impressed by Katie and what she and others accomplished, and I keep hoping for more states to replicate that successful campaign. "Voters should choose their politicians, not the other way around!"

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Frank Loomer's avatar

And i didnt mention how political manipulation of the judiciary has self-advantaged the values and views of GOP and its supporters mostly thanks to Mitch. The impact of political advantage!

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Michele's avatar

I loathe Mitch just as much as I do death star. He is responsible in part for the tilt of the Supreme Court through nonsense reasoning, but he had the power to do what he did. Both Kentucky Senators should have never held political office. Mitch is, or was, a slick operator, but Paul is just a wing nut.

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Susan Troy's avatar

I'm so proud of what you have accomplished. It is an inspiration to all of us.

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Michele's avatar

Frank, this rallying around the flag and troops is now so hypocritical. Death star proved that again and again. These are the same people who had no problems attacking police January 6th despite claiming to support police....I think they support the ones who are bad cops actually. My husband has a cousin related through his Lakota ancestry in South Dakota who served in the military and then the Dallas police until she retired. She was once a R and now is a militant D who speaks out against the Gnome whenever possible. That includes attending rallies. As for the true believers in death star, they love him because he speaks to all the prejudices and fears.

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Ally House (Oregon)'s avatar

Yay for your husband's cousin. It is refreshing to see how some people can shake loose the bounds of conservative thought, especially in the law enforcement milieu.

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Michele's avatar

She has kept track of all the COVID deaths in South Dakota while the Gnome rants about freedom (no masks and vaccine mandates) and chases money all over the country while making her adoration of death star clear. She also does not seem to understand what sovereign nation means as there are several Native American reservations there. His cousin is also a lovely person.

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Susan Troy's avatar

I don't think the ten points were intended to point blame at Democrats and progressives, but rather to make them think deeply about their values and find a frame for those. As to the Republicans being "patriotic and defending the troops", Donald Trump put the lie to that one big time. Actually, Donald Trump's dismissal of the idea of serving your country for any reason other than personal gain really puts the patriotic ball in the Democratic/Progressive court. I love our country. I respect our troops. I honor and support those who have been gravely injured in defending democracy and America. I contribute money to veterans on a monthly basis. I would never sneer at an injured soldier (or anyone else for that matter). Does that make me a Republican? No. I am a decent citizen who abhors war but understands that the country needs to be defended. So in that, I share some core "conservative" beliefs. And I suspect I'm not alone.

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Frank Loomer's avatar

I won't pursue my points, but kudos to you for both your loyalty to country and democratic principles.

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

Self analysis is not blame. And don't forget, Frank, as long as you bring up biases, the corporate "free press" chooses words in subheadlines that almost always serve business or conservative points of view, This definition of the issue affects the disscussion greatly, as well as action taken. Language is the most important issue in defining reality. This is nothing new and I do not think Frederick is saying so. Chomsky, as a linguist, has been making similar points for many decades.

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Frank Loomer's avatar

Fair enough, but a litany of negatives doesnt seem to me to have much balance as what's been positive among progressives. Without them in the first place, the Dems likely wouldn't resemble the party they've become, or accomplished in policy, and likely, electoral success. I did indicate imbalances in the political framework and relatively recent Republican manipulations which were far more likely to have been influential in Dems political shortfalls the past decade plus as opposed to the "self analysis" provided on progressives. More balance was needed.

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

Perhaps we are putting the golf ball around the same hole but it hasn't dropped in.

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Frank Loomer's avatar

Pretty much, just a difference in emphasis. I was contra-ing what i thought was an important missing part of the critique. I did seem to get quite a few "I agree" checks.

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Peter Burnett's avatar

Concentrate on the practical proposals, not barely secondary grouses.

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Marj's avatar

This IS a long and enlightening thread. Thank you Frederick!

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Kathy Clark's avatar

Boy, I read the entire thing and am very thankful that it was posted here. We all need to understand the use of linguistics more as well as political organization. It is the every day, week in and week out, need to live and name democratic values, that strikes me as important; the understanding of what motivates the republican voter; and the need to cease calling names.

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

Hey David, I did not stay up late enough last night to pick up on this great comment stream. I have read some of your comments in the past and you do a good job yourself. I could go on and about how words control the process but the points Frederick brings up are on the mark. Lakoff is very clear and a new voice for me. Chomsky held forth on these issues over the past sixty years or more.

I look forward to catching up tonight. Out on the West Coast, Heather posts a bit late.

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Alec Ferguson's avatar

Democracy is sacred. Election days need to be declared legal holidays.

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Anne-Louise Luccarini's avatar

In Australia, Election Day is a Saturday. And of course there are weeks of absentee voting for people who'll be away somewhere on Election Day. We have enough results back within 48 hours to know for sure who has won.

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John LeBaron's avatar

"Because their seats are safe, Republicans do not have to send particularly skilled politicians to Congress." Particularly skilled? Wow, that must surely qualify as the understatement of the year.

Among the most reprehensible Republican congressional Representatives, we are not talking about "skills;" we are talking about unabated, malevolent, profoundly ignorant idiocy, with voters truly giving over the levels of power to the inmates of the asylum.

The results are showing it under the weight of gratuitous GOP malice.

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JaneDough56's avatar

One word - Obamacare. The Obama used the house and senate majority they had to pass the most comprehensive health care bill ever. Some people thought he should have focused more on ending The Great Recession , (which he inherited from Bush), but most people were driven by Republican scare tactics- remember the “death panels - to vilify “socialist medicine”. It all seems quaint today, when you listen to R tactics to enforce their abortion bans.

It was easy to scare Americans against something they couldn’t imagine. Rs talked about people losing their employer-based healthcare for some bad version of Medicaid. And seniors thought Medicare would be replaced, again with a program whose details were so murky and untested. Republicans to this day are still scaring voters to vote for them. Today, Gym Jordan dragged out 2nd Amendment rights over gun legislation instead of answering questions about the budget.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

Abortion still drives their debate. Meanwhile, ObamaCare has no effect in our politics and discourse. Now, were this framed a "successful more for democracy to guide our health care, for greater liberty and jsutice for all" then, we would have this vital notion that democracy MUST continue to make rreal economic change with our energy future, and our foreign policy and our education and so on and so on

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JaneDough56's avatar

But in 2010 Obamacare was the basis of The Tea Party and the 2010 Red Wave that was the nexus of Operation REDMAP.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

Yes it was the basis for their libertarian, anti-democracy rant. And, we did not have any adequate defense of ... democracy.

Democracy may be seen, in this worldview, as the nexus for greater economic liberty and justice - IF WE WERE to say this! Instaed, ObamaCare became another special interest, a silo, and NOT connectedto other progressive initatives

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JaneDough56's avatar

I think that’s the difference between Biden and some of the recent Democrat POTUS-s that came before him. Joe Biden wants to unwind all of the Republican policies that have hurt the middle class with a multi-pronged approach that includes work opportunities, corporate incentives, and infrastructure projects, all to bring up middle class productivity and bring America back from that hollowed out shell of a country.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

I thoroughly agree with you JaneDough56!

Biden is the elder our times so desperately needs. No one younger than this Great Generation soul has Joe Biden's worldview and moral compass; Bernie comes close!

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JaneDough56's avatar

Though I understand how important Obamacare is in the steps to a more equitable health care system, Obama could have spent his first 2 years shoring up the depressed economy that would have been more sustainable for the middle class. He didn’t because he saw this once-in-history opportunity to get a healthcare bill through.

Today, the health insurers have healed from the Obamacare gash they took, and now it feels like little has changed. I have a friend whose life was saved by Obamacare, because he got action on a chronic “pre-existing”condition he had that was ruining his digestive tract and his lungs. I am sure had he not gotten the surgeries he needed to repair these problems, he wouldn’t be alive today.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

Spot on for me, about this once-in-a-lifetime w health care and ObamaCare - which is my saving grace. And I'm proud to be a beneficiary of a fed program for practical costs of health care.

But now!

Biden has so altered the terrain that EVEN labor unions, representing hourly and trades people, are highly regarded. THIS is built upon the earth shaking effort Obama took, and found success, in using the power of the federal government to stand for "liberty and justice for all" regarding health care. Now, Biden is using our democracy (fed govt.) in many fields.

Because, as he has stated, this capitalist economy does NOT benefit for the vast majority of people. Safeguards are need to subdue the greed impulse of the human condition

Imagine, if the crazy man (DT) during the pandemic had used the power of the feds to secure life saving supplies! No kidding, hundreds of thousands of lives may have been saved. ....

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JaneDough56's avatar

His mishandling of the pandemic was almost as criminal as his actual crimes. And for all those people who say they can’t find any good help, well they can thank Trump for the losses in our workforce.

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JaneDough56's avatar

Agreed! 💯💯💯

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Mobiguy's avatar

As important as Obamacare was, it was a tactical mistake to give the Republicans such a divisive issue to run on in a redistricting year. I remember thinking that as the 2010 campaign devolved into a cesspool of lies and exaggerations - "death panels", mocking the claim that you could keep your doctor. Universal healthcare has been a great benefit, but we're still paying the political cost.

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Bill Alstrom (MAtoMainetoMA)'s avatar

There is a lot of truth in these 12 points. Some of it is painfully accurate. But honestly, I think we need to whittle down our messages. Only political nerds (like me) are going to work through all this philosophical discussion.

Most people vote on one or two issues that they care about. And we are the right side of those issues. Talk all day about philosophy and people will glaze over. I love the whole discussion, but it won't get people to vote.

Here's my focus for Dems:

1. Fight gerrymandering tooth and claw.

2. Remind voters that women's freedom is under attack. By old white guys. Reproductive rights is THE big weapon that is helping us win in almost every recent special election or attempt to alter state constitutions. WOMEN and their indignation are the weapons that work. Blame the GQP!

3. Appeal to younger people to vote! And remind them that the Republicans don't believe that we can make a difference in the Climate Crisis. For Gen Y and Gen Z this is THE issue. Blame the GQP!

4. Remind voters that Republicans are blocking gun safety laws. Kids are terrified. Parents are frustrated and disillusioned. This issue is huge and change is supported by giant majorities all across the country. Blame the GQP!

5. Remind voters that immigration policy reform is the responsibility of Congress. And the Republican House of Representatives refuses to present a plan - despite the pleading and imploring of their constituents and the president himself. Blame the GQP!

These are the most powerful weapons we have. And large majorities support the "left" and "progressives" on these subjects. But don't use those labels. I am a proud progressive who is left of Sanders, Warren and Gandhi. But let's just be Democrats. Old school, labor supporting, for the middle class, for women style Democrats.

Forget the philosophy. Go for the monster's jugular with the stuff that people will understand. And are angry about.

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Julia Marie Sheehan's avatar

Thanks, Bill, for offering up the Cliff Notes. You nailed it.

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Miselle's avatar

Good points for me to use in my letters and on my postcards for voters!

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Ally House (Oregon)'s avatar

Those are some good points, Bill. Thank you.

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

Yes, we must focus on the plan. Our choice of words will determine if anyone will listen or be motivated. We have to expose the location of that jugular vein.

However, philosophy is very important too, between US and not to yell it at the crowd we want to motivate. Philosophy is a practice, like linguistics that will help us narrow our focus and choose our words wisely. Words, if chosen wisely can be very powerful weapons. Read Lenin or Engels. Gramski even. It is good to see an articulate soul who might be a far left as me, Bill. (Chuckle).

I am sure begining to appreciate all of Heather's followers. A great group. I like Julia's thanks for your Cliff Notes. Clear and too the point. Frederick lays down very good information and makes valuable points.

We can't waste our time out egoing each other over philosophy, which, I think is what you meant. My point is that it is a tool, to be used as such.

Catch you tomorrow night if I can stay up that late.

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Bill Alstrom (MAtoMainetoMA)'s avatar

Yes. I don't mean to demean philosophy at all. I'm just angry and want us to weaponize effectively.

Speaking of which, I was philosophizing with my wife last night. She bemoaned the lack of a center in today's politics. She felt as if the extremes of both sides are feeding the frenzy.

Then I detailed my super lefty views on healthcare, education, housing, taxes, gun control, immigration, etc. She liked all of them. So...I was actually able to say to her that my extremist left wing ideas were actually in alignment with her "centrist" values.

In other words, the left is the new center. The right is the deep dark end of the pool. The cesspool.

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

Exactly. There is NO far left organization (Anachists do not believe in organization) in this country feeding any frenzy. That is a construction of corporate media going after readership #s to keep add rates up and serve their ownership's share holders interests.

If you have read Heather for a while, you will remember that the cat call about socialism started in the 1840s to denigratete those who sought a fair playing field. That only became more strident after the Russian revolution by Wall Streeters who were afraid of losing....

GAAA. You know what I mean.

As for us lefties being the new center, who, exactly is the left ? Oops, that is getting into phylosophy. There is no escape!

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Fred Krasner's avatar

Well said, Bill. Lakoff would urge us to create our own "narrative" (the framework or story which acts as the filter for our reasoning processes) rather than attempt to negate the GQP frames (which only serves to reinforce them, because facts and rational thought are not the most significant players in this battle for voters' minds).

As you have suggested, let's keep the message simple and repeat it ad nauseum.

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Carole Berkoff's avatar

Words are not my forte & the learning curve is steep in the world of word craft. I have read Lakoff but need a class that practices the art . The person who said the lack of analyzing information & using critical thinking skills nailed to whom the GQP aim their posts to & how their blind followers respond regurgitating the propaganda .

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BlueRootsRadio's avatar

You are correct on every point, and that's part of the problem. Not everyone is patient or attentive enough to absorb your 12 "truisms". It's beyond my ability to distill them into even a 50 word paragraph but I can certainly see dividing the list into smaller chunks to promote the overriding problem of "trying to herd" cats.

Well done Frederick, take the rest of the day off with pay. Definitely saving your list for study and will use liberally.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

BlueRoots, please look to my longer response to Philip B, down below ... this will be helpful, as it is a summary of the essence of framing. A lot of the above, from Lakoff, comes down to consistency of language. WHAT is our worldview and where do we want to end up (politically)? I feel it is a society where the promise of democracy (equality of opportunity, and "liberty and justice for all") guides our policies. Our policies must flow from this frame. A frame I would call Democratic Capitalism. This frame, and therefore our policies, must guide capitalism toward a healthy and safe society - not our current society in which foreign firms and other multinationals dictate our society and our politics.

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Doreen's avatar

Liberty and Justice for all. Pretty basic concept most can get behind ,relatable to where everyone lives and issues they're facing.

"The opposite of poverty is not wealth; the opposite of poverty is justice" Bryan Stevenson

I think that sums our message up pretty well.

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Peter Burnett's avatar

I'd take as a basis the passage in the Declaration of Independence that begins "We hold these truths to be self-evident" and take the content more seriously, more literally, than Jefferson et al did. The content -- the deism is optional. Inclusion must be absolute, very much incorporating "the merciless Indian Savages" who were to prove so much less merciless or savage than the white invaders who cheated and massacred their fellow men.

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BlueRootsRadio's avatar

Thanks for the reference. I read a lot of and about Layoff when he first hit the scene and found it compelling but after all this time I can't say it has really caught on. I only give myself a short time to read LFAA everyday because the readers here tend to go long form and my daily challenge is to make the best of the scare resource that time constricts me. I have to get to newspapers, other substacks and independent news sites so I have to be choosey.

I just started Heather's new book and it hits the ground running at full speed tackling the battle between democracy and authoritarianism. I agree with her that humans have the right to determine their own fate and the ways to get there are as different as we all are to each other, but the common thread is the right to self-determination. That's my focus these days.

Have a great day!

I find that easier to argue than anything else.

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Ed's avatar

"I can certainly see dividing the list into smaller chunks to promote the overriding problem of "trying to herd" cats."

A comment which parallels the gerymandering theory almost precisely.

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Midge Heiser's avatar

Excellent and timely words to bring the message of the Democratic Party down to Liberty and Justice For All. Thank you for the reminder that the message is simple.

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Steve Abbott's avatar

Why is it that linguists are able to think so clearly? One reason may be they understand how language works to communicate everything. Language models reality. Understanding how people use language to do this, or fail to do this, will give us an almost axiomatic sense of what works/does not work in all spheres of human endeavor.

Professor Lakoff gives us 12 traps to avoid. This is great, but his real message is what liberals must do - articulate a core set of values and tie specific policies to them, again and again, in order to build a liberal deep frame. One I may suggest is respect for the individual freedoms of ALL people. We have a list already, in our Constitution. If fact, the liberal deep frame has been articulated very well for almost 250 years now. It is time to make conservatives answer for their policies in a liberal frame. Thank-you Frederick, for this amazing post!

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John Marksbury's avatar

To put it squarely and in less academic terms: speak with moral conviction. Define your moral compass. Many shun the word and use ethical instead. Wrong. Morals are innate and speak to the heart. Ethics is more about professional standards and practices. Take our cue from Martin Luther King and Rev Barbers Poor Peoples Campaign. Read about the language and values of Abolitionist leaders. Adopt the words of the Declaration of Independence not the Constitution.

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

Agreed, LANGUAGE defines. Words matter.

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Ellie Kona's avatar

Are you familiar with Anat Shenker-Osorio’s podcast “Words to Live By?”

https://asocommunications.com/team/

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Frederick Warren's avatar

I'll certainly look at your link; her name has come up before

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Emily Pfaff's avatar

Frederic. Your #11 paragraph and your final paragraph really display my major concerns and observations. Also sad for me to say "church attendees/TV watchers of only

conservative programs" without other mental input are not thinking but only want to belong to "the group". This is a frightening personal observation for me.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

Yes, I agree. How do I handle this? I feel that I can accept where they are personally, and try not to judge but simply try to understand. From here, we can have a better conservation. I feel Biden gets this, coming from his working class, Catholic background. THIS is in his DNA, imho

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Reva Potter's avatar

President Biden follows these ideas more than any recent Democratic Presidents!

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Peter Burnett's avatar

PROPOSAL

LFAA readers, everyone who cares for the restoration and renewal of living, healthy democracy, raising it to its essential role in the life of the Republic:

FRAME FREDERICK'S CONTRIBUTION, GIVE IT PRIDE OF PLACE, READ IT AND GIVE THOUGHT TO ITS CONTENT, DAILY, ASSIDUOUSLY!

This is no "comment".

It is a Users Manual for democracy.

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I wrote far more but gremlins did not appreciate... They "disappeared" what I'd written...

No matter. It is YOUR FEELINGS, YOUR THOUGHTS, that count.

So, frame it, read it, study it, think about it, draw your own conclusions and, above all...

ACT ON IT!

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Frederick Warren's avatar

I must write this => remember, this is Lakoff's admonition. Simply think about the promise of "democracy" and how it is thwarted by our economic order .... Then, we can start the conservation with the frame "Democracy must guide our economics" and then all of our policies flow toward making this ... a ... more .... prefect ....union. (this willnot happen from capitalism as it now is

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Peter Burnett's avatar

It isn't just the body economic playing cuckoo and pushing the body politic from the nest.

Like technology, which no longer serves man but itself, economics is no longer the management of our common household. It is at the service of masters, then come servants... tbose with no place in this scheme of things have the status of vermin.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

All the MORE reason, and clarion call, for democracy to guide our economics! Democracy must be the guide to our society, as your example makes perfectly clear.

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Peter Burnett's avatar

We must treat democracy as a living thing, and act accordingly, providing its needs, maintaining its health... protecting it from disease and from pests and poisoners.

I used a long word for democracy's main role in a society, homeostasis: maintaining the dynamic balance and stability of all functions within the body politic.

I'm sure someone can help us put all this more simply...

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

I am just loving this long interaction following Heather. Very refreshing and respectful. I'd like to see her jump in too.

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Peter Burnett's avatar

Thanks. That would surely help since, as I've already said, Frederick has provided us with far more than a comment, a user's guide for the defenders of democracy.

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

I'm on the west coast. I will try to stay up late enough tonight to keep up. Heather pulls together a great group. I just love her. We all do.

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Peter Burnett's avatar

I'd like to exchange more on the question of framing and Lakoff's ideas, brought to my attention by a linguist friend in the 1990s, but my drafting rarely survives on this phone.

Let's say I'm in my 80s and started thinking about issues of framing at age 18...

Not yet political but, starting out from the frame, framing and optical devices used by Renaissance painters to analyse the object they are viewing and moving on to the systematic use of framing in western art and science. In contrast, framing -- in the western sense -- is absent from Chinese, Korean and Japanese painting but present in, for instance, architecture.

I don't propose to say more just now, but the implications are not insignificant. For instance, when it comes to Lakoff's number 5...

Divorce between what lies within the frame and what lies outside it is a very western phenomenon. We speak of relevance and draw a hard border separating what is germane to our problem from what is not. Other cultures accord more important to context.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

Help me if I'm wrong here, Peter, but in this context, the 'frame' is within people's neurological wiring, borne from years of repetitive communication, and is therefore a way to process future mental images. Are you with me on this idea .... So, an image comes in from anywhere - the TV let's say --> of a person of color and a caucasian and they are in a relationship (on the TV screen, and they're holding hands).

How anyone responds to any external stimuli could be understood from their frame ... of mind, or a frame of view. So, a conservative person from a principally white background may indeed have an understandably very different response from the frame of an urban dweller. We progressives have never created a universally understood frame, regarding government, economics or anything else

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Peter Burnett's avatar

I give up.

1. I am unable to retrace what I was writing;

2. I was ill when writing, and that really doesn't help;

3. I'm better, but still recovering.

4. More to the point, everything I write gets disappeared.

5. Look up Georg Philipp Lichtenberg's aphorism on prejudices...

6. Most people seem to be almost permanently on automatic pilot. I used the term "solid-state" when referring to your presentation of Lakoff's invaluable tool, but the human brain (even that of so-called "conservatives") is rivalled in complexity only by the universe... and I am bound to be skeptical of anything that sounds like "hard-wiring" when referring to it.

7. Re. Lichtenberg, the "conservatives" in my family constitute a thought-free zone. It isn't hermetic enough, so some sensitive human beings suffer from anxiety...

8. Those to whom we are referring in general have a very very solid mindset, unchanging and unchanged unless shattered -- it can be brittle. Change and its breaknet acceleration cause suchlike to close the circle of their wagon train and lie in wait with their guns at the ready...

This is grounded in a totally false and delusive view of reality in which each individual is a radically discrete (i.e. separate) entity and... you could express this in the cartoon I received yesterday... One head that says "I think therefore I am", another that says "I believe therefore I am right..."

9. The free mind is more fluid, even gaseous... Dynamic, not confusing representations with what they represent but finding in them useful tools for analysing a situation. I suspect that one of the marks of what you'd call a genuine progressive, one who never ceases to explore his own mind, which may change throughout life, is the ability to distinguish what was written on water. His or her own master, aware and flexible, knowing shibboleths but free from them.

Not what a French poet called "bald on the inside of the head".

10. I'd have liked to get down to answering you more directly, but I trust Lakoffs toolbox more than some of his general theory about metaphor. Having said which, words are all representations.

Maybe take a look at David Abrams' The Spell of the Sensuous for a view of language-induced alienation.

11. If I could express my purpose in life simply but crudely, I might say to seek freedom from conditioning. And of course, I can frame myself as stupidly and thoughtlessly as anyone else, any day. But try not to corral my mind pointlessly.

12. There are ways of short-circuiting mental activity. They are precious.

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Peter Burnett's avatar

In practice, I am with you.

We are talking practical psychology here, not -- as some lazy-minded commentators wrote -- "philosophy". An insult, one showing the same deep-seated ignorance, the same boneheaded unwillingness to examine one's own outlook, one's own solidified prejudices, as the obcurantism of the pseudo-conservative adversary.

We are talking practical tools, and that is why I proposed framing and assiduously studying the twelve points, day in, day out.

When people use tools (or weapons) they need to familiarize themselves with their use, and this involves training, above all, repetition and more repetition.

But the timing, delivery and dosage of messaging is important if it is not to be ignored.

In my daily life, I'm concerned personally with issues that concern language, especially the uses of metaphor, words, images, representations. The caricatural ways in which people take their prejudices for thinking, for all that they are not... Forget all those underpinnings, our concern here is with overcoming. Mental weapons drill. (Yet another metaphor...)

The image that's now arising in my mind comes from my memory of George Orwell's Homage to Catalonia: the anarchists of the P.O.U.M. marching out from Barcelona carrying weapons (when available) but refusing the supposed indignity of carrying shovels to dig themselves in...

Massacred, together with their manly pride, their dignity.

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Philip B (Edinburgh UK)'s avatar

The best, most interesting and challenging comment I have seen in ages, a real 'frame changer' with deep implications.

In Britain we have seen the consequences of this progressive illusion in Brexit; it was launched unwittingly by Cameron as a 'religious war', a war of two opposing framing systems, unfortunately the anti-brexit group did not understand this, and we know the disastrous consequences.

I will await your permission to copy this and forward it to my Labour Party MP, in the probably vain hope that it might influence Starmer, who is following the 'progressive line' as if following the textbook.

I would also love to hear you expand on the 'conservative frames'; you seem to have studied it with an appropriate theoretical base.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

Philip, please copy and distribute as you wish. The conservative and liberal frames are described by Lakoff in his pinnacle, "Don't Think of an Elephant"

When we are young, language is everything. The more we hear, the more circuitry is formed. Scientists and musicians had a different youth than I, without a specific pattern other than normal discourse. I had a very loving widowed mother in the 1950s. My close cousin had an outwardly kind but personally abusive single father --- to turn this into a political theory, Lakoff states the following. The idea of "family" is everything in America, 'our forefathers', our 'sons off to war', 'Uncle Sam'... etc. I had the 'Nurturant Parent' model of family upbringing. She had the 'Strict Father' - and by no means do I say that the strict father model is necessarily abusive!

*** Frames are used to simplify complexities in life. The Strict Father exemplifies conservatives mode of thinking: the strong man and strong father figure: the Jesus Christ male figure of spirituality; 2nd Amendment rights; male hierarchy led by the strict father at top, then other white males, then the mother, other white females, then people of color and then finally the Earth.

The Nurturant Parent family metaphor allows for co-parenting from mother and father; a child's exploration during upbringing; equity and equality of people; nonhierarchical sense of spirituality. This frame allows for change, while the Strict Father frame tends toward tradition, naturally.

I feel the most successful frame in America today is "Culture War." This says EVERYTHING." And everyone knows what it means. WE certainly do. Unfortunately, our silo thinking in our world view does NOT enable us to see the systemic problem we face, which I believe is an abusive abusive world economic order, which enables even the wealthiest of Americans to own the most guns, because no one is satisfied ...

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Mary Hardt's avatar

Frederick, whenever I shake my head about conservatives voting against their best interests, I reread George Lakoff’s Moral Politics.

“ Conservatives argue that social safety nets are immoral because they work against self-discipline and responsibility.”

— Moral Politics: How Liberals and Conservatives Think by George Lakoff

https://a.co/hWzdgfu

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

That looks like good place to start for me too. Laskoff is new to me.

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

By the way, Frederick, is imparting such information something you do professionally? Sure sounds like it. Or you are extremely well read.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

I go back to the Vietnam era, and have been active in politics, and spirituality for more than 50 years. Nearly 30 years thikning and writing about this notion around a vision, and lack thereof.

Thanks, Ransom

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

I guess I'm about right there with you. I'm 75 and fought my draft board for the five years it took to get through college. I maintained they were war criminals and I was going to see them in court. That was a lot of writing. I was #15 in the lottery and managed to get a student deferrment in time twice to beat the induction notices. Spirituality, deep thinking, political activism, notebooks of someone I don't recognize anymore, but one becomes someone else if they learn anything. Those were my core, no matter what I did for a living.

Take care Frederick, we will undoubtably cross paths after Heather's letters.

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Mike Yochim's avatar

Fascinating. 8 and 9 are extremely important to what is happening today, in my opinion. The question becomes, how do we fix it so we get on track.

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Becky's avatar

We could start by the DNC requiring that their “communications team” study Lakoff’s points and start getting our message out as if the continuation of our Republic is at risk.

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Still Learning's avatar

Frederick, which George Lakoff book would you suggest we start with? I'm thoroughly intrigued and want to learn more. Thank you so much.

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Frederick Warren's avatar

Begin with the very short "Don't Think of an Elephant." Now, try to not think of an ...

This is Lakoff's premier treatise.' For more, look to "Moral Politics."

Rabbi Michael Lerner's, "The Politics of Meaning" offers a way forward.

https://www.spiritualityandpractice.com/book-reviews/view/797/the-politics-of-meaning. Loof for his Tikkun publication, online at this time.

It was at a massive symposium in DC in 2002 (?) where George Lakoff spoke, and many progressives listened. Michael Lerner hosted this gathering. Lerner work gained the attention of Bill and Hillary, early in their adminstration

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Doreen's avatar

have just ordered both on Audible. Thanks for the resources and great discussion. Gratitude from this Canadian, we have our divisions here too, and they're deepening.

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Still Learning's avatar

Thanks so much!

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