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The radical-right House members aren't stupid enough to believe their irrational justifications for seeking to blow up the economy. They want more than a financial meltdown; they want a complete breakdown of the rule of law that ends democracy and imposes theocratic rule.

The danger should be big, big news every day. Most of America is clueless.

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What is even more frightening to me is that bozos like Boebert, MJT, Jordan, Arrington, etc. don't have any clue how our government and its financial system actually functions.

Not raising the debt ceiling is like saying "I don't like this car I bought on credit so I am not going to pay the bank the money I owe."

But it's worse than that, the GQP gonzos are clueless as to how devastating a breach of our debt paying would be. It would destroy the lives of millions and millions of people. Of course, the stock markets would collapse. But everything the Federal Government is involved with could grind to a halt. Even state employees could be affected. About 18.8 million people have Federal or state jobs. A family of four means about 80 million people can't buy food or pay the rent. But that's just an average. What about the larger families and those who care for their elderly parents?

If the United States Government defaults on its obligations, as much as half the population of our proud nation would be in financial trouble. People will go hungry and people will die for lack of medical care and essential prescriptions.

I will say it again. This does not need to happen. It is embedded in our Constitution that we will honor our debt. President Biden can order Sec Yellen to issue a statement that America will pay its bills and honor its debt. Let the "Freedom From Responsibility" idiots sue.

"The Public Debt Clause is part of Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, and reads in part, “the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law … shall not be questioned.”

The idiots will cry that only Congress may appropriate spending. That's true. But Earth to Idiots. You already have. The debt ceiling has nothing to do with spending. It's the same as paying your mortgage or car loan.

Earth to Idiots: if you want the government to spend money differently, propose a budget that does that. Then sit down as adult elected officials and discuss it with the people who have already provided you with a perfectly reasonable budget. Earth to Idiots. Grow up.

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Excellent comment, Bill. Thank you. Govern, for Pete's sake, don't posture.

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“Govern, for Pete’s sake, don’t ,posture.

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The stupid Republican House members have no idea what governing means. They think they are there just to play to the Faux News cameras. They are there to perform. Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Green are not people who would be hired by a company with job standards requiring measurable results, ex. an increase in sales. They will fade away, but after having damaged our country's governing infrastructure. They are like termites. Termites can be treated by exterminators, but the damage the termites did has to repaired in time consuming and very costly ways.

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That is so well put. Thank you. I tend to go back to my years as a child and adolescent to put some of this behavior in perspective. Behavior displayed by these “leaders “ would never be tolerated in my grade school or high school and in my neighborhood. If such behavior did happen, the “performers “ would not be viewed as leaders. They would be viewed as pathetic and ostracized or given a dope slap.

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Excellent, Bill. In addition to the statement you suggest from the President, Mr. Jeffries and Mr. Schumer should introduce matching companion bills eliminating the debt ceiling and ending this controversy for all time. Having actual legislative titles and numbers would give us something specific to discuss when call our Congresspeople and Senators and I'm willing to wager a small but significant amount that there are enough responsible (or scarable) Republicans in the House to come across and maybe leave the Crazy Caucus hanging out to dry. Doing so would also free up Congressional time from performative posturing so that they could follow Ally's excellent advice about governing.

Tangentially, it occurs to me that, at 82, the impact of his fall on Mr. McConnell may have been more serious than it was first thought to be. One wishes him well but hopes that he recognizes when it comes time to hang up the hat.

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I hope there are traces of residual conscience left in the "GOP". This has been aggressively purged, especially of late. I wish McConnell well in his person, but really need him to do some soul-searching, along with the whole damned party.

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The Republicans are long past soul-searching. The Republican "brand" has, in my opinion, been forever disgraced. Anyone who identifies him- or herself as a Republican should be voted out of office. If someone wants to start a new "conservative" party, fine. There was an article in NYT a day or two ago with headline something like "How Liberal Professors Can Save Conservatism", which seemed very sensible to me: teach young people "classical" conservatism (Burke, Hume, etc.), which contains some reasonable ideas, so they can replace the crazies who call themselves conservative, but are anything but.

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Here's the link:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/23/opinion/conservative-college-students.html

Unfortunately the very first sentence contains a grammatical mistake, presumably not a recommendation for liberal professors to do the same.

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In my limited experience with hospitalization, anytime a person is moved to rehab instead of going home means that the patient is no longer making progress but is not recovering. At the age of 82 a simple fall can be the end of "normal" life.

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I've had the same unfortunate experience. It's a hard decision, but McConnell needs to do what is best for his constituents and the country although it could be argued that by reducing the number of Republicans in the Senate he's doing just that.

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I think it’s nice - and overly generous - of you to wish him well. I wish him exactly what he’s given his country in the past few years: less than nothing.

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I encourage everyone to have their congressional representative reiterate what Bill just wrote on both the House & Senate floor!

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Excellent point about the Public Debt Clause. I keep forgetting about that. I wonder if that's President Biden's ace in the hole. I hope he uses it at the last minute if these drama queen Rs are stupid enough to push it all the way.

You just KNOW that they are hoping to destroy the economy and then they will just turn around and say it's the Dem's fault (reality be damned).

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Provided the pseudo-justices will recognize it. The clause must certainly be underlined and defended. It's plain-language enough to make the point.

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Thank you, especially for your closing paragraph. These idiots are financial terrorists and should be treated as such.

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Extortionists.

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So well said, Bill!

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"What is even more frightening to me is that bozos like Boebert, MJT, Jordan, Arrington, etc. don't have any clue how our government and its financial system actually functions."

Even more frighting is that they they clearly don't care. Gaining advantage for their quest to conquer is their only focus; malignant narcissism. The damage they cause is beside the point when it isn't part of the fun of feeling powerful.

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Even more frightening, their constituents have even less of a clue, hence they’re so easily persuaded to continue voting for them!

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As they live in the privilege of their unfettered ignorance, their only go to will be to destroy everything and start over. With nary a thought as to what the first thing they will have to do if we were to star all over. Remember the old song "They ran through the briars and they ran through the bushes....?" The don't realize we'd be after them with pitchforks, touches, and tar and feathers as they ran exhausted, hungry, and scared to death, not that they'd ever get to Natchez.

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Boebert's GED classes didn't include Civics.

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Or civility,

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If it did she was probably out sick !

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Thank You Bill! I fear the Repugnants aren't so much idiots as puppets, though. Who will benefit most if "It would destroy the lives of millions and millions of [American] people."?

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Intriguing question. A great deal hangs on the answer.

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I can't imagine that derailing the entire American economy would benefit anyone.

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Someone in a position of power somewhere thinks it will accrue to the accomplishment of their goal, whatever that is. That it makes no sense to you or me simply means that we're rational thinkers.

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EXCELLENT question, MaryPat!

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Absolutely. And the supreme court's ruling of "Citizens United" supercharged their anti-American activities--the activities designed to drain the treasury as well as drain the assets of every middle class and poor person in the country. It the end, they will simply take their unjustly-acquired assets and move to their other homes in other countries where they will get a higher interest rate on that money and buy the leaders to get citizenship in the new country of their "allegiance." They will laugh while America burns. Near the end of his life, comedian George Carlin gave a serious 4-minute talk about the nation's future and probable end. It's quite worthwhile to listen to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyvxt1svxso

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Exactly.

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Thank you, Bill. I am nearly 80 and I am scared. I don't have a lot of $$s but I sure don't want to lose what I have or my house. I still pay a mortgage payment that is less than $500 but still owe over 77,000 on my home. Poor choices of the heart caused that issue. If the idiots that the idiots elected continue, I will go down with a lot of other people and many that I know.

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Whew! Well said! Thank you!

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On point statement, Bill. The same wingnuts who want to compel students to pay every cent of crushing loan bills don't want to raise revenue or authorize the spending limit necessary to pay for the debts they ran up.

Yes, they ran them up. It was their votes to cut the country's income with tax breaks to rich people that exploded deficits, long before COVID stimulus rounds were necessary. (Quick aside: if tax cuts for rich worked, why did the Federal Government need to inject stimulus at all? Shouldn't our beneficent 1% have readily injected some of that tax money they saved into the economy to give it a boost and create jobs?) The CBO scored the Republicans' current suggestions to balance the budget, and even without dollar specifics CBO essentially said, as nicely as one can in an official document, that McCarthy and his bloc's claims are a fairy tale with numbers that don't add up.

Unfortunately, Bill's lament is mine: most of these circus clowns don't understand how our government works. It's one thing to claim to love the Constitution but another thing to actually read and comprehend it. We went from a very deft, creative, effective and accomplished Speaker to a feckless and spineless one. McCarthy putting the likes of Gaetz, Jordan, Boebert, Santos and MTG in positions of any responsibility shows the amount of respect he has for his position, this country, our House and the people of this nation. How can our government do better when a crowd that wouldn't pass a middle school civics course is in the driver's seat for one of our major parties? May voters in GA, FL, CO, NY, UT and every other state these MAGA people slithered from, wake up from their stupor, and vote this intellectually unfit lot out in the next term.

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I think a kind of hedonism takes over. Just recently I read that mothers who sent their kids to school without a mask felt they were expressing a sense of personal freedom or power. Trump and the right have attacked our sense of the common good. Too many people just want to be on the "right side" when the apocalypse comes.

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Spot on.

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What a wonderful Rant! Thanks for the chuckle, Bill. The Theater of the Absurd strikes again!

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But they are motivated by malice. I worry when we claim they’re idiots or stupid that the truth of their malevolence gets lost, and it’s too important to lose!! So many people don’t want to recognize that their intention is to do harm. We must talk about it. The GOP is currently a party of wilful death. It’s not because they’re stupid.

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Christy, I agree with you up to a point. I would humbly suggest that we inject the word solely into your observations. The most dangerously loud and blundering of this lot are not solely malicious, nor solely malevolent, nor solely unintelligent or ignorant. Unfortunately, none of the above is a mutually exclusive characteristic. It's my opinion that all of those qualities, and probably quite a few more, are working in concert to inspire them to gleefully drive our nation to its destruction, taking many other economies and nations of varying development along with it.

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I suspect that the under-educated are more vulnerable to cult ideologies, though the highly, especially less broadly educated, are by no means immune. I also think one is primed for a cult by an authoritarian upbringing. I think authoritarianism is the real enemy here, and that in turn boils down to extreme narcissism.

Narcissism in it's most extreme state, total indifference if not glee in response to causing harm, is identical to "evil", and we don't talk enough about the details. "Evil" keeps regenerating, like a movie monster, despite seeming vanquished from time to time because its encoded in our DNA. I think we all have a narcissistic side of necessity, but are generally taught and encouraged to integrate this, at least to some degree, with "civility" and compassion, the capacity for which we are also endowed. I am convinced that social psychology, be it with regard to individuals, marriages, or inter- and intra-societal relationships might be, along with "good faith", be key to saving us from self-destruction; certainly a tool to relieve some of the epic suffering that has beset the human race throughout history, more or less around the globe.

“While all other Sciences have advanced, that of Government is at a stand; little better understood; little better practiced now than three or four thousand years ago.”

– John Adams, letter to Thomas Jefferson, Jul. 9, 1813.

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There are a few folks who have devoted entire lifetimes/careers to answers.

Speaking of Waco brings to mind one of them:

“He treated the children released during the cult stand-off in Waco, Texas—and more recently, consulted for the state of Texas in the child custody case involving hundreds of children of polygamists. He has consulted for numerous law enforcement (including the FBI), mental health, educational, child welfare and juvenile justice institutions and agencies around the world.”

Bruce Perry on his book, Born for Love

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5gU1wXbs5mc

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I recall reading a book by this person, perhaps the one you mentioned. I was very impressed. Yes, there are many serving humanity, some in exceptional ways. They rarely penetrate the "News" of sociopathy.

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I think that the "GOP" has become consumed by a plutocrat-driven quest for absolute power. I think all that they do makes "sense" in that context. The direct and indirect death toll of their ideology, in Iraq, in the COVID crisis, as racism, and a cult of violence. Power comes in different forms, including money, governmental power and violence, or the threat of violence. The more corrupted a society, the more easily these three forms can be interchanged.

The current malaise of the "GOP" seems to me to oil down to the urge to bully.

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JL, I am appreciating your astute and valuable observations, both in this post and your response above. I especially like the care taken in the previous post when expressing which educational demographics could be swayed into cults and cultish practices, and how someone deeply but not broadly educated would also be susceptible. Your earlier post also mentioned how this is underpinned by the demonization that is possible by someone being "the other", and how more familiarity with a more diverse group of people could help.

My own experience with some friends who subscribe to right-wing policies is a weird inconsistency with authority. With people they agree with, and especially those in power, there's an almost unblinking and unconsidered allegiance that manifests a reflexive obedience and compliance. If the person in question represents an ideology in opposition, especially one in a position of authority, conversely, there is reflexive resistance and an incited combative response.

The right also seems to depend on divisiveness; whether ethnicity, sexuality or something else, for elections. I do agree that this manipulation of those prone to cult mentality, enhanced with recommendations from their leadership to separate from others who could broaden their worldview, supports the conditions needed for cretins to keep power. Without ideas that address a people's needs, hatred of other groups and blind obedience is all you have left to run on for reelection.

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we always seem to be up against the old split between the north and the south, a split that predates the civil war by a couple of hundred years. the north was settled by puritans, who opposed the king of england. some of the puritans fled england and settled new england. plymouth rock and all that. not long afterward, the puritans overthrew the king. the king and his followers had to flee. they landed in VA and settled the south. jamestown and all that. the north has always been dynamic and up for change, industrial, while the south has its heels dug in, an advocate for the old ways, agrarian. the puritans and the cavaliers still hate each other. why is it that extremists have not taken over the dems, but the supposedly level-headed GOP? a couple of quotes that might apply: a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds; winning isn't everything, it's the only thing. meanwhile, there are those who think the US can withstand anything and rise from the ashes like a phoenix bird, so why not play with fire? that's one way to avoid having to submit a budget. in their juvenile way they haven't realized yet that "what counts is what you learn after you know it all." we are currently playing out a melodrama, which we do periodically, all the dialogue written, unable to change a word of it. talk about march madness. pray for the joint chiefs.

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This is an interesting observation and our country does seem to have this split, in mentality at least, between "north" and "south." I put those in quotes because whereas this at one time may have been strictly locational, it seems that it is now more of a state of mind and either mindset can be found in any part of the Union. The "northern" mindset, in my opinion, is similar to your description of someone more experimental and inclined to novel approaches. The "southern" mindset, as you described, more inclined to preserving things as they have always been done. Being in the northeast, I encountered more than my share of 'cavaliers' here, some of them with a curious affinity for the Royals, and they have never lived anywhere else in the country.

I appreciated the phoenix analogy too. If the most careless of the GQP really do have such an extreme view of American Exceptionalism; where the country completely unravels from economic disaster, falls into dystopian hellscape and miraculously become a shining beacon immediately afterwards, we are in the deepest pit of excrement imaginable.

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I get it. But isn't it inherently stupid to be malevolent?

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Bill, for us folks working in the health care field the use of the word stupid is intensely grating. Meaning unintelligent, it reflects an organic inability to learn. One cannot help what they did or did not receive with the gift of birth. So I do not agree, the malicious GOPers are not stupid. They lack a heart not a brain.

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Received this in a text this morning:

Say you're in a room with 400 people. 36 don't have health insurance. 48 live in poverty. 85 are illiterate. 90 have untreated mental illnesses. And everyday, at least 1 person is shot. But 2 are transgender so you decide ruining their lives is a priority. That is what's happening in America right now.

I agree, lacking a heart. The priorities for more than half, 260 to be exact, are calculatedly written off.

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This is a powerful analogy. I hope I can retain and redeploy this in the future. Outstanding.

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It seems to me that the methodology of science is a partial work-around a recognition that the smartest of us are ultimately limited in our powers of observation, detection, and cognition, and a great deal surely eludes us. That said, I think our most foolish choices are more likely limited by what we prefer not to recognize than by our own capacities, or even our potentially remediable cluelessness. And yes, caring for someone, or something, beyond ones own directly self-serving interests and agenda is mostly independent of intellect.

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Putin is clever. Not infallible, but clever. Hitler was clever, as was and is the whole of German science in his era; part of what makes it so creepy. Lincoln warned of "cunning" tyrants. Elon Musk is clever. Trump is an astonishingly lazy thinker, but he has mastered a certain strategy, albeit Orwellian. And I know from experience that people can be under-educated or even intellectually challenge and have hearts of gold. Even be wiser than those who are "smart".

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It is because of greed and the way they get what they want is to create fear!

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Good analysis. Appears that the Drooling Caucus is pulling their ideas from Art of the Deal. Renegotiate the contract when the rube send you the bill. The, proof perfect that government doesn't work once their game of chicken doesn't work? The bums (Democrats) bankrupted themselves (the Dark State) instead of taking the deal. Point proven and they keep the taxcuts.

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Don't make me shoot Ms Liberty here.

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We are all responsible for our choices. Fire away, JL. 😉

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Thanks Bill, your last 2 paragraphs are perfection. They make great ad campaign messages.

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Does anybody have the power to tell the public what the republicans want for the country. Trump’s dystopia will be no picnic for anyone, especially the old, vulnerable arses who worship his putrid, vile pretense of human. Rupert does, but fat chance there…MSM just blathers on like Nero, focusing on the inferno. The empire teeters…

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Meanwhile, the French are pissing and moaning about raising their retirement age from 62 to 64... I wish I could come up with a soupçon of sympathy for them.

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I felt the same way as you, James, until I read further and found out that a key provision of Macron’s proposed law requires people to work 44 years to receive a full pension. That means that those who go to graduate school or women who cared for their children before joining the workforce will be penalized. If my own situation took place under Macron’s proposed plans, I could not retire until I am 86!

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I worked as an independent until I was 71, with a very small pension because I started working late, so it also irritates me when people whine over 2 years more, but while it's true that there is a long tradition of the sacred right to strike, the 2-year extension is just the straw that broke the camel's back over a situation that has been worsening for years. Government decisions over the past few decades have practically ruined the once-excellent French medical system. At the same time as the gov't demagogues refuse to remunerate GPs correctly (when my deceased GP husband retired in 2009, GPs earned 22 euros for a consultation. The next year, it increased to 23 euros (whoopee!!!), and did not increase further until 2017, when it rose to a princely 25 euros. Now the gov't is offering a magnanimous 1€50 increase. Very difficult for a doctor who wants to give his patients his time to make a living. About 15-20 years ago, the gov't started reducing the permitted entries into medical school, resulting in a gradual decrease in the number of doctors (including specialists) entering into practice. Of course, this helped docs to work more, but is now running them ragged. The pandemic aggravated the situation, and it is now very difficult to get an appointment with anyone within a reasonable delay. The medical system is becoming like the one in the States, where doctors/phys.therapists/ostéopaths/dermatologists/etc. have to practice in large centers with receptionists/secretaries, seeing many patients a day. So that is another aspect. Elsewhere, gov't benefits are being reduced for everyone but the legislators, it seems. So yes, a lot of French people do seem sometimes to demand something for nothing, but there are legitimate complaints. That said, it is annoying when the strikers upset everything. Just yesterday evening, I was stranded all alone in a small train station (NO employees present to inform or help, no other passengers) on my way back from Avignon because my next connection to home simply didn't arrive. Had to scramble to find someone to come and pick me up.

(End of rant! :-) )

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I love your beautiful country and I'm going there in a few months. I'm sorry to hear of your troubles. Like us, your population is aging. We all need more young people to work and pay into the system to support us. Even so for us, we're reluctant to take in immigrants, despite all the energy and innovation they have brought our country.

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There's a recent book you should read, Back of the Hiring Line: A 200-Year History of Immigration Surges, Employer Bias, and Depression of Black Wealth.

Among the many examples, in 1980, most meat packers were Black, earning good middle class wages. By that decade's end, most were immigrants, toiling for barely above minimum wage, under atrocious conditions, where maimings and amputations were frequent. Similar conditions prevailed in other areas of low/no-skilled work.

The book is solid (296 footnotes), yet well written, covering the relevant academic economic history, black periodicals, statements from black leaders beginning with Frederick Douglass, whose sons were downwardly mobile due to mass immigration (companies would send ships to Europe to bring back white workers so they could fire the black workers, and the same sort of thing goes on today with companies bringing in H1-Bs), and gov't commissions on immigration reform. The latest of these, run by Barbara Jordan, the Black Texas Democrat who made her name on the House Judiciary Committee during Watergate, recommended cutting immigration numbers roughly in half, and strict enforcement of immigration laws, so that Blacks and other American workers could get decent jobs with decent pay.

The book also gives the lie to to the notion there are jobs Americans won't do. the author interviewed laid off poultry workers on the Eastern Shore, who'd been replaced by immigrants. Would they take their old jobs back? No, they told him. with the greatly reduced wages, they'd have to live in their cars, or many to a house.

Companies that need more workers should be raising their wages. Our labor participation rate is still quite low (meaning a lot of unemployed people are not looking for work).

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Reagan's 80's were a dark era for the middle class, many of whom naively supported the old fool. History repeats itself with Trump's base.

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Thank you, Carolyn, for describing, clearly and with ample illustration, the situation in France. Hearing it from someone who has lived through and is struggling to survive the consequences of unwise politics further justifies the French people’s outrage. Wishing for the French people a peaceful and prosperous resolution to these challenges. Be well and safe, mon amie!

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Follow the money; not just specific transactions but the flow throughout society. Who benefits? Who is shafted? And why?

Essential questions for "Liberty and Justice For ALL".

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Thank Carolyn for this inside look. What you have revealed is that the new plan will ultimately benefit, as usual, affluent white men--people whose work arc remains consistent and who are not troubled by bias, inequities in wages and employment, etc. Plus ça change, c'est plus la même chose, eh?

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It doesn't sound like it's helping anyone except the legislators. Sounds like you're projecting the US onto France.

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It's sad that France has devolved to this. I lived there in '65-'66, and attended the 6ieme in the international section of the Lycee de Sevres, and had a wonderful year. In '71, on a visit, my much younger sister had to be flown to Paris from a couple of hundred miles away to have her appendix out (I think one parent flew with her and one stayed whereever they were when this occurred). Everything went smoothly. I had two wonderful bicycle trips in different parts of France in May of '87 and of '89, after the latter trip took the TGV back to Paris from Avignon, and it was a marvel. The only bad part was getting gridlocked on Rue de Rivoli on my bicycle, but a managed to get to another street after about ten minutes, and had a pleasant ride to friends' apartment.

It pains me to hear how bady things are functioning there now.

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I just started a new career at age 68!

Maybe this career will pay me what I am worth? One can hope!

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In these early years of my retirement, I just completed a life long dream: I wrote a novel. Over the years, I had many friends encourage me to do this.

I realize I need a literary agent to publish, and I have no idea how to find one. I have a friend who wrote a YA novel (I read it, I think it is good!) and self published. Her journey of this is one of such frustration that she gave up after the first book. She is not a person who is easily defeated, either, she's had many difficulties in life that she overcame. This discouraged me from taking this route.

Good luck to us both, Marj!

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As a retiree from a major publisher and someone who spent five years writing an unpublished novel, I would advise anyone who wants to write a novel not to count on getting it published. There are rare exceptions, but the opportunities are shrinking except for the field of romance novels (because that audience buys more books than others) And don't forget that agents are not invested in one book wonders; they need clients who will continue to be productive. Self-publishing is a decent option if you want that book on people's shelves. I don't regret the time I spent on my novel, because I explored a family story that had always troubled me, but I'm glad I had a side gig, because I needed it.

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My best friend wrote a novel, didn't get it published, and then went to grad school. (This was years ago.)

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Self publish! Cheers!

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You might try joining the American Society of Journalists and Authors. I don't know if you can, unless you were a journalist, or at least have published a few articles, but it won't hurt to inquire, because they definitely help people get agents. They're in NYC. There are probably other groups of this sort.

I can't remember whether Stephen King's book, On Writing, would be helpful or not, but I very much enjoyed reading it. Actually, now that I think about it, he did talk about how he got started, so I think it might help.

The University of Iowa caters to people who want to write books, and there are probably certain profs who are more in tune than others with fiction. Perhaps a call to one of them out of the blue, after googling to see who looks more likely to cater to fiction might net you some valuable information.

Maybe someone among the encouraging friends might also have ideas about how to proceed. I certainly wish you success!

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I agree with you about Stephen King's book.

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And a ps to the reply below, my friend who self published? In the long run, I do believe she got taken. It cost her a LOT of money and she sold probably 50 books via Amazon. All to friends.

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Thank you, David. I also read Stephen King's book. I have never published anything. (I don't consider some letters to the editors to magazines as being "published" but perhaps if my name was George Santos............ )

I have done some Googling and with internet sites, it's difficult to know who is genuine and what is just phishing.

I will consider your suggestions. My attempts so far have led to dead ends.

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Mark I started a new career at 58-80 and it paid me a $$$ pittance, though tremendous personal satisfaction. As Joseph Campbell said: ‘follow your bliss,’

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Following my bliss is the trouble!! As an artist I followed my bliss all these years. I did ok and live well. I just never considered the world would do these tumblesaults, inflation would be so crippling and these cool new tech tools would come along! I am having fun!

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Marj Joseph Campbell of ‘follow your bliss’ also described life as ‘trouble’:

“When you’re laughing

Keep on laughing

And the Whole world laughs with you

When you’re crying…”

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Wishing you the best, Marj!

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After a career mostly in civil service clerical work, I went to the middle east and taught English for 5 years to children and adults. I'm sorry I never became a teacher here in the US because I had the time of my life. It turned out that I was actually good at it, and I loved it. Best of luck!

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Mary congrats! You found your bliss!

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I started a new career at age 60! In France. Best years of my life.

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Thanks for the insider heads up Rose👍

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Rose I would qualify under Macron’s pension Regis since I worked until I was 80 (beyond my normal life expectancy?)

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How wonderful, hopefully enjoying what you did.

My observation is that for the majority -retirement at 62 if one is healthy- beats the odds . But for the majority life has been hard , paycheck to paycheck, now little benes in the corporate world ( pension, savings,health care) are slim . So ‘they’ -the lower percentage -has to work beyond to keep their head above the rising tides. And I DO heavily factor in the marginalized , a growing number .

None the less retirement at 64 ain’t bad . They also have free health care?

I always solicit correction sisters, brothers. I’m also in the’ 80s ‘ still farming after retirement at 67 and find much enlightenment knowing how much I have to yet learn.

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I worked for the State of Indiana and their rule was age plus years of service had to equal 85. I worked until I was 70.5 and had worked 26.5 years. I can't imagine actually retiring at 62 and being able to continue the same life style.

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Adding 2 years of work doesn't sound like much, but as a nurse who ran hospital halls for 40 years, there's no way I physically could have lasted 2 more years. Ditto for construction workers, teachers (who are on their feet 8 hours/day), mail carriers, and others with very physical jobs.

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Exactly! As an educator, I slept 4 to 6 (max) hours per night at least 10 months of the year. If I hadn’t retired when I did, I might not be writing this message. Yes, my pension and SS are less than if I had worked two more years, but quality of life—LIFE itself—became more important! I don’t regret early retirement one bit.

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It's been pointed out that even though you retire earlier, you collect more money because you live longer. I was diagnosed with spinal cord damage at 59, and I chose to collect my late ex's Social Security as a widows' benefit, and it pays more than if I had collected disability or waited until I was 65 and collected my own. In fact, my disability occurred in Egypt while I was living there, and I couldn't get disability because I didn't have verification of the onset of my disability from doctors in Egypt.

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Rose, I also live in WNY. Would like your thoughts on what's been going on with the Hilton Schools bomb threats. They say the emails come from a Russian domain. I doubt the emailed threats came from Russia, but we don't know.

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I understand. The MSM only seems to report part of the story, and not the most important part, at that. Based on that requirement, of 44 years, their policies are unworkable. If I taken away four years of college and four years of military service, my retirement age would have been 70, by that rule. That's why I've encouraged my children to set up their own retirement funds, not relying on anything from the government. "God bless the child that's got his own" as the song says.

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James this is much bigger than any change to the retirement age. it is a reflection of anger that has built up in the people as they feel that nobody is listening to them. The current President is the stereotype, arrogant, highly-educated elite "fonctionnaire" who think they know best and the people are too stupid to understand. This is personal! The majority of the people now whant rid of him and his ilk.

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The French are well known for their well organized and effective protests. Were it not for that, the officials in France might well have been tempted to raise the retirement age even further. A two year increase is all they thought that they could get away with. I feel the French are fighting for all of us.

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You provide a very good description of Trump, but not Biden.

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The similarites in terms of psychological and characterial structures between Trump and Macron have been noted before. Biden is making them both look rather foolish.

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