Be careful (you should be with anyone), but also know that the majority of the military are not Trumpers; they are believers in their oaths to support and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and they might be reaching out to you because they agree. I think you are being over-paranoid (common with too many o…
Be careful (you should be with anyone), but also know that the majority of the military are not Trumpers; they are believers in their oaths to support and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and they might be reaching out to you because they agree. I think you are being over-paranoid (common with too many on our side who don't know much about the military and what they do know is frequently incorrect). I've been part of the "GI resistance" for 50+ years, going back to Vietnam. The guys who did multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan know the truth about the "world's greatest empire" better than anyone. Ask them straight out - if they're on the side of the angels, they won't be offended.
I can accept your perspective that our service people are not a physical threat.
However, I think caution is advised where elevating too much information enabling identification is relevant.
The people who are arming and readying for war are not in the US Army, maybe, but, they do exist, and, they do feel that Trump is a victim and they do want to make people pay.
And, they are very, very angry and talk like they want to hurt people. My own brother in law is like this now, rejecting his own sister and me, with whom he lived when he was going to college so I can see it first hand through him and second hand through my neighbor across the street who is in the National Guard.
My neighbor is angry and shouting all the time and blasting Michael Savage out of his garage all the time. When Trump lost he stopped talking to me.
Lots and lots of folks are very angry, heavily armed and have identified a martyr (Trump) to "stand behind".
Typically "They" seek to project their intolerable anger, (of their own self-flagellating self-perceived lowly social status) upon those whose life style they envy and believe is being taken from them...irrationality fomented by the great deceiver without mercy.
I'd rather not engage. Friend or foe. I'm an AF brat. Proud of my dad, but not interested in meeting men on social media no matter which side of the flag.
That's my experience with the military, TC. I live in the town where the US Allied Forces in Europe reside. Having friends and acquaintances from Colonels to civilian employees, every single one I know is loyal to their oath.
I believe the brass (from colonel up, say) are, with few exceptions, reliably loyal to the Constitution, but I question your assertion when it comes to the rank and file. You might be right about veterans who had to fight in stupid wars, but those on active duty in safe places are another matter. Do you believe, TC, that a majority of active-duty personnel from, say, lieutenant colonel down are “not Trumpers,” as you put it?
There are particular units in the Army - the "special ops" - where a tendency to be "wannabe" Waffen-SS may be strong, but still the majority of the regular Army believe in their oaths. I still believe from what friends who know the force say that the ranks are not "Trumpy." In fact, in 2020, the Trump vote in the military was down 40 percent from what it was in 2016.
At the risk of unreasonably belaboring this topic, a Military Times article from Nov 7, 2020, cites exit polls showing a 52-45 edge in voting for Trump over Biden. If that’s 40% down from 2016, then the 2016 Trump vote in the military would have been over 85%. The 52% figure is not as bad as I thought it might have been, but the 85% is worse than I would have expected. I have limited contact with military people now (never had a lot, but did have some, mostly commissioned officers who were students or research scientists/engineers), but I often see estimates saying things lije 90% of TV hours on military bases showing Fox, which is beyond worrisome if true.
The following is copied fom the MT article from Nov 7, 2020:
“Exit polling from Edison Research (which surveyed voters who cast ballots in person and by mail) indicated that military and veteran voters were more supportive of Trump (52 percent) than Biden (45 percent).”
I don't think that was what I was saying at all. In my own experience, I never knew so many white male morons in one place at one time as the military back in the day. Lots of people you don't forget, but many morons. But outside of the ones from the South proud of their confederate ancestors, very few I would have thought of as threats to the republic. And it was always amazing to me that many of those who saw through the BS then were guys I would not have expected.
Be careful (you should be with anyone), but also know that the majority of the military are not Trumpers; they are believers in their oaths to support and defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and they might be reaching out to you because they agree. I think you are being over-paranoid (common with too many on our side who don't know much about the military and what they do know is frequently incorrect). I've been part of the "GI resistance" for 50+ years, going back to Vietnam. The guys who did multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan know the truth about the "world's greatest empire" better than anyone. Ask them straight out - if they're on the side of the angels, they won't be offended.
TC,
I can accept your perspective that our service people are not a physical threat.
However, I think caution is advised where elevating too much information enabling identification is relevant.
The people who are arming and readying for war are not in the US Army, maybe, but, they do exist, and, they do feel that Trump is a victim and they do want to make people pay.
And, they are very, very angry and talk like they want to hurt people. My own brother in law is like this now, rejecting his own sister and me, with whom he lived when he was going to college so I can see it first hand through him and second hand through my neighbor across the street who is in the National Guard.
My neighbor is angry and shouting all the time and blasting Michael Savage out of his garage all the time. When Trump lost he stopped talking to me.
Lots and lots of folks are very angry, heavily armed and have identified a martyr (Trump) to "stand behind".
It is very dangerous.
Typically "They" seek to project their intolerable anger, (of their own self-flagellating self-perceived lowly social status) upon those whose life style they envy and believe is being taken from them...irrationality fomented by the great deceiver without mercy.
Wow, Mike. Just wow.
Yeah, exactly right.
I'd rather not engage. Friend or foe. I'm an AF brat. Proud of my dad, but not interested in meeting men on social media no matter which side of the flag.
Very wise, Gailee
No, that wasn't what I was advocating. If they want to join you sociopolitically, that's one thing, the other is something else.
That's my experience with the military, TC. I live in the town where the US Allied Forces in Europe reside. Having friends and acquaintances from Colonels to civilian employees, every single one I know is loyal to their oath.
Then they are better than those Republican senators who have abandoned the vision of the Founding Fathers and their constituents.
I believe the brass (from colonel up, say) are, with few exceptions, reliably loyal to the Constitution, but I question your assertion when it comes to the rank and file. You might be right about veterans who had to fight in stupid wars, but those on active duty in safe places are another matter. Do you believe, TC, that a majority of active-duty personnel from, say, lieutenant colonel down are “not Trumpers,” as you put it?
There are particular units in the Army - the "special ops" - where a tendency to be "wannabe" Waffen-SS may be strong, but still the majority of the regular Army believe in their oaths. I still believe from what friends who know the force say that the ranks are not "Trumpy." In fact, in 2020, the Trump vote in the military was down 40 percent from what it was in 2016.
At the risk of unreasonably belaboring this topic, a Military Times article from Nov 7, 2020, cites exit polls showing a 52-45 edge in voting for Trump over Biden. If that’s 40% down from 2016, then the 2016 Trump vote in the military would have been over 85%. The 52% figure is not as bad as I thought it might have been, but the 85% is worse than I would have expected. I have limited contact with military people now (never had a lot, but did have some, mostly commissioned officers who were students or research scientists/engineers), but I often see estimates saying things lije 90% of TV hours on military bases showing Fox, which is beyond worrisome if true.
The following is copied fom the MT article from Nov 7, 2020:
“Exit polling from Edison Research (which surveyed voters who cast ballots in person and by mail) indicated that military and veteran voters were more supportive of Trump (52 percent) than Biden (45 percent).”
American Military...American heroes...every one of them a true American patriot...mostly, Eh!?
I don't think that was what I was saying at all. In my own experience, I never knew so many white male morons in one place at one time as the military back in the day. Lots of people you don't forget, but many morons. But outside of the ones from the South proud of their confederate ancestors, very few I would have thought of as threats to the republic. And it was always amazing to me that many of those who saw through the BS then were guys I would not have expected.
Whooops...sorry.