lin, BEST quote of the month award goes to you and this post.
"Reagan's lie and Trump's insurrection have their roots in the defeated Confederacy's wild rage at the Federal government. Which for generations has sold sedition as a noble cause and metamorphosed historic traitors into heritage heroes. "
One of the most well written and information packed sentences I have ever read.
lin, BEST quote of the month award goes to you and this post.
"Reagan's lie and Trump's insurrection have their roots in the defeated Confederacy's wild rage at the Federal government. Which for generations has sold sedition as a noble cause and metamorphosed historic traitors into heritage heroes. "
One of the most well written and information packed sentences I have ever read.
Western History is incomplete without Howard Zinn.
Thanks to Howard Zinn, more people learned about "A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies", a first hand witness account, written in 1542 by Bartolomé de las Casas, describing conditions of very early enslavement of the native people in Hispaniola, Cuba, and the Caribbean. Since gold was not found, and the Crown had to find a way to pay for these ever expanding expeditions to the west Indies. Native people were forced into slave labor camps (plantations) for exploitation to produce crops like sugar and food staples, sent back to Europe for profit. The natives ran away, they resisted, they were horribly abused, and so many died of disease during this horrible era of genocide by the Spanish Colonization, that Africans began to be enslaved and brought to the Western Hemisphere to replace the "native work force". Zinn introduced us to one of the first abolitionist movements in mid 1500's. In a way, the root of what was to come in the Southern United States.
So any history of North & South America is incomplete with Howard Zinn and Bartolomé de las Casas. The same could be said of the 1619 Project for America.
In his own words, "My history describes the inspiring struggle of those who have fought slavery and racism (Frederick Douglass, William Lloyd Garrison, Fannie Lou Hamer, Bob Moses), of the labor organizers who have led strikes for the rights of working people (Big Bill Haywood, Mother Jones, César Chávez), of the socialists and others who have protested war and militarism (Eugene V. Debs, Helen Keller, the Rev. Daniel Berrigan, Cindy Sheehan). My hero is not Theodore Roosevelt, who loved war and congratulated a general after a massacre of Filipino villagers at the turn of the century, but Mark Twain, who denounced the massacre and satirized imperialism.[11][12] I want young people to understand that ours is a beautiful country, but it has been taken over by men who have no respect for human rights or constitutional liberties. Our people are basically decent and caring, and our highest ideals are expressed in the Declaration of Independence, which says that all of us have an equal right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." The history of our country, I point out in my book, is a striving, against corporate robber barons and war makers, to make those ideals a reality—and all of us, of whatever age, can find immense satisfaction in becoming part of that."
Bartolomé de las Casas was less gracious describing the horrible conditions of enslavement and petitioned the crowns for more humane treatment of the Native Peoples of the Caribbean.
Zinn is slanted, only towards justice and the idea that we still striving to reach the ideals in our Declaration of Independence.
OMGosh. I can't thank you enough for your comment. Who thought we'd have to defend Zinn, here.
Perhaps you know that Mark Twain wrote an essay on lynching. I did not until I came across it. Twain was horrified by lynchings and the mob mentality. He spoke of how a few courageous individual police officers had stood up to mobs and stopped lynchings.
I am pasting in the Wiki entry.
" The United States of Lyncherdom" is an essay by Mark Twain written in 1901.[1] He wrote it in response to the mass lynchings in Pierce City, Missouri, of Will Godley, his grandfather French Godley, and Eugene Carter (also known as Barrett). The three African Americans were accused in the rape and murder there of Gazelle Wild (or Casselle Wilds) on August 19, 1901,[2] Twain blamed lynching in the United States on the herd mentality that prevails among Americans.[1] Twain decided that the country was not ready for the essay, and shelved it.[1]
Thomas Beloat was a sheriff of Gibson County, Indiana at the turn of the 20th century noted for stopping a lynching in the county seat of Princeton
A redacted version was published in 1923, when Twain's literary executor, Albert Bigelow Paine, slipped it into a posthumous collection, Europe and Elsewhere.[1] In his essay, Twain noted two law enforcement officials who had intervened and prevented lynchings in early 20th-century America. They were Sheriff Joseph Merrill of Carroll County, Georgia,[3] and Thomas Beloat of Gibson County, Indiana.[3]"
You need to get your head out of that place you're keeping it, because what you're smelling in there is not Chanel No. 5. Why don't you go over to FleeceBlock, where bimbos like you can congregate with MTG and worry about the Gaspacho Policy coming for you?
TC, doubtless there are times when hard lines are drawn - tough talk might be useful to intimidate an opponent in times of unavoidable confrontation ... more likely, it can pollute the waters of potential peaceful resolution, inviting a vile response. Shaolin Master Shi Heng Yi says to train like a warrior, live like a monk - the first concern is to cultivate peace.
Best Mindset & Life Advice? - Shi Heng Yi (Shaolin Masters Speech)
(Warrior and "Loser")
SHAOLIN MASTER | Shi Heng Yi 2021 - Full Interview With the MulliganBrothers (1:49:10)
Szekely's claims were rejected by biblical scholars. Per Beskow has noted that:
The [Essene] Gospel of Peace is a sheer forgery, written by Szekely himself. It is one of the strangest frauds we know of in the biblical field, as it has been carried through by stages during a whole lifetime and has been built onto an entire body of research based on imagination only.[1]
Richard A. Young has written:
Proof that Jesus was vegetarian is based on The Essene Gospel of Peace, which Szekely claims to have translated from an ancient text he supposedly discovered in the 1920s. Szekely alleges that this ancient gospel text is authentic and that the canonical gospels are forgeries. However, no one besides Szekely has ever seen the manuscript. This and other reasons prompt scholars to conclude that The Essene Gospel of Peace is a disreputable forgery.[2]
Given the vague information on its discovery and the failure in locating the original manuscripts, critics have suggested that the ancient texts never existed and that the Essene Gospel is an entirely modern product of Szekely's imagination. In spite of these criticisms, many have found the Given the vague information on its discovery and the failure in locating the original manuscripts, critics have suggested that the ancient texts never existed and that the Essene Gospel is an entirely modern product of Szekely's imagination. In spite of these criticisms, many have found the book of great inspirational value.
Thank you lin - I'm no expert, but do have the book, "From Enoch To The Dead Sea Scrolls" (makes very good sense to me) - also, have listened to a couple of the tapes - some ring true - some seem overburdened with detailed arguments. I will keep listening to see what is revealed.
It does make sense to me that 'respected biblical scholars' might well reject Szekely's works as 'sheer forgery', since their expertise and status stem from the official scriptures which - from what I can see - also have been transmogrified from original versions and need to be examined for accuracy. Neil Douglas Klotz translates The Lord's Prayer and the Beatitudes directly from the Aramaic - with profound differences compared to the Greek>Latin>English interpretations.
Are we to believe The Dead Sea Scrolls did not exist - or have no relevance to interpreting ancient scriptures? From what little I know, that manuscript was a source for much of Szekely's works.
In my long museum career, in part as a conservator, I prepared some of the Dead Sea Scrolls for exhibition. They exist. They have been authenticated.
The authentication of heritage materials is a complex coming to consensus through reasoned debate of empirical evidence by experts in many fields. The same goes for textual analysis and to some degree translation.
I studied with a scientist who analyzed the Shroud of Turin. As analytical equipment gets more sophisticated, other analyses have been done. I also worked with a paleontologist who delighted in identifying the animal bones preserved in reliquaries. If all the splinters of the True Cross were authentic, the cross would have been larger than Noah's ark.
For believers, the provisional truths of science and the contextual truths of history do not operate in the realms of faith - where absolute truths reign.
lin, BEST quote of the month award goes to you and this post.
"Reagan's lie and Trump's insurrection have their roots in the defeated Confederacy's wild rage at the Federal government. Which for generations has sold sedition as a noble cause and metamorphosed historic traitors into heritage heroes. "
One of the most well written and information packed sentences I have ever read.
Thank you.
Thanks. But whew, you need to get out more. Howard Zinn anyone?
Western History is incomplete without Howard Zinn.
Thanks to Howard Zinn, more people learned about "A Short Account of the Destruction of the Indies", a first hand witness account, written in 1542 by Bartolomé de las Casas, describing conditions of very early enslavement of the native people in Hispaniola, Cuba, and the Caribbean. Since gold was not found, and the Crown had to find a way to pay for these ever expanding expeditions to the west Indies. Native people were forced into slave labor camps (plantations) for exploitation to produce crops like sugar and food staples, sent back to Europe for profit. The natives ran away, they resisted, they were horribly abused, and so many died of disease during this horrible era of genocide by the Spanish Colonization, that Africans began to be enslaved and brought to the Western Hemisphere to replace the "native work force". Zinn introduced us to one of the first abolitionist movements in mid 1500's. In a way, the root of what was to come in the Southern United States.
So any history of North & South America is incomplete with Howard Zinn and Bartolomé de las Casas. The same could be said of the 1619 Project for America.
In his own words, "My history describes the inspiring struggle of those who have fought slavery and racism (Frederick Douglass, William Lloyd Garrison, Fannie Lou Hamer, Bob Moses), of the labor organizers who have led strikes for the rights of working people (Big Bill Haywood, Mother Jones, César Chávez), of the socialists and others who have protested war and militarism (Eugene V. Debs, Helen Keller, the Rev. Daniel Berrigan, Cindy Sheehan). My hero is not Theodore Roosevelt, who loved war and congratulated a general after a massacre of Filipino villagers at the turn of the century, but Mark Twain, who denounced the massacre and satirized imperialism.[11][12] I want young people to understand that ours is a beautiful country, but it has been taken over by men who have no respect for human rights or constitutional liberties. Our people are basically decent and caring, and our highest ideals are expressed in the Declaration of Independence, which says that all of us have an equal right to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." The history of our country, I point out in my book, is a striving, against corporate robber barons and war makers, to make those ideals a reality—and all of us, of whatever age, can find immense satisfaction in becoming part of that."
Bartolomé de las Casas was less gracious describing the horrible conditions of enslavement and petitioned the crowns for more humane treatment of the Native Peoples of the Caribbean.
Zinn is slanted, only towards justice and the idea that we still striving to reach the ideals in our Declaration of Independence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bartolom%C3%A9_de_las_Casas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Short_Account_of_the_Destruction_of_the_Indies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_People%27s_History_of_the_United_States
https://www.google.com/search?gs_ssp=eJzj4tTP1TcwyTWPLzFg9JLLyC9PLEpRqMrMy1NIVChIzS_ISVUvVsjILC7JL6oEACryDqk&q=howard+zinn+a+people%27s+history&oq=howard+zinn&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j46i433i512j46i512j0i512l4j46i512j0i512l2.4785j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
OMGosh. I can't thank you enough for your comment. Who thought we'd have to defend Zinn, here.
Perhaps you know that Mark Twain wrote an essay on lynching. I did not until I came across it. Twain was horrified by lynchings and the mob mentality. He spoke of how a few courageous individual police officers had stood up to mobs and stopped lynchings.
I am pasting in the Wiki entry.
" The United States of Lyncherdom" is an essay by Mark Twain written in 1901.[1] He wrote it in response to the mass lynchings in Pierce City, Missouri, of Will Godley, his grandfather French Godley, and Eugene Carter (also known as Barrett). The three African Americans were accused in the rape and murder there of Gazelle Wild (or Casselle Wilds) on August 19, 1901,[2] Twain blamed lynching in the United States on the herd mentality that prevails among Americans.[1] Twain decided that the country was not ready for the essay, and shelved it.[1]
Thomas Beloat was a sheriff of Gibson County, Indiana at the turn of the 20th century noted for stopping a lynching in the county seat of Princeton
A redacted version was published in 1923, when Twain's literary executor, Albert Bigelow Paine, slipped it into a posthumous collection, Europe and Elsewhere.[1] In his essay, Twain noted two law enforcement officials who had intervened and prevented lynchings in early 20th-century America. They were Sheriff Joseph Merrill of Carroll County, Georgia,[3] and Thomas Beloat of Gibson County, Indiana.[3]"
Looking forward to reading Twain’s essay. I don’t think I’ve ever heard this before. Another reason why $5 a month here is priceless.
Not only can his work stand on its own, I think it also has wings.
I would suggest Jill Lapore's fairly recent history of the US...These Truths. I learned a lot.
I wish you would expand on that. I would like to know what you mean. I am sorry you have been attacked for your opinion.
You need to get your head out of that place you're keeping it, because what you're smelling in there is not Chanel No. 5. Why don't you go over to FleeceBlock, where bimbos like you can congregate with MTG and worry about the Gaspacho Policy coming for you?
Horrible comment. Nothing she said called for a mean personal attack.
!!X
TC, doubtless there are times when hard lines are drawn - tough talk might be useful to intimidate an opponent in times of unavoidable confrontation ... more likely, it can pollute the waters of potential peaceful resolution, inviting a vile response. Shaolin Master Shi Heng Yi says to train like a warrior, live like a monk - the first concern is to cultivate peace.
Best Mindset & Life Advice? - Shi Heng Yi (Shaolin Masters Speech)
(Warrior and "Loser")
SHAOLIN MASTER | Shi Heng Yi 2021 - Full Interview With the MulliganBrothers (1:49:10)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bhdeUspmMP0
https://shihengyi.online
https://shaolin.online
https://shihengyi.online
http://www.facebook.com/shihengyi.online
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oYu0n-O67Do
What informing materials would you recommend? Would the works of Edmond Bordeaux Szekely be useful here ...?
The Living Legacy of Edmond Székely - The Tree of Life and the Teachings of the Essenes
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_nZcQ35x5A&feature=emb_imp_woyt
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The Essene Book of Creation, Edmond Bordeaux Szekely
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJqrJccPpc
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From Enoch to the Dead Sea Scrolls , Edmond Bordeaux Szekely
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rVb8GpJHDt4&feature=emb_imp_woyt
https://kennethmdouglass.com/library/teachingsOfTheEssenes.pdf
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From the Essene Book of Moses: The Ten Commandments
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TOXhjH4g7-E&list=PLh9Y1CCfpR4pdzVifgPc0MFDe-cVwNPxC&index=9
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The Essene Jesus , Edmond Bordeaux Szekely
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYwkP4LATg&feature=emb_imp_woyt
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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 1 | (Part 1 of 2)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7cc3aCAxARY&feature=emb_imp_woyt
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZqP0T-jtt0&feature=emb_imp_woyt
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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 1 | (Part 2 of 2)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_BEG3ZN89QI&feature=emb_imp_woyt
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r1XrX_7JqPc&feature=emb_imp_woyt
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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 2 | FULL BOOK
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fcRtOPU53Y&feature=emb_imp_woyt
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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 3 | (Part 1 of 2)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=14pb7WvJWqw
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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 3 | (Part 2 of 2)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ywbd_Qyw-JA
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The Essene Gospel of Peace, Book Three; Part Three
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ENx1IfJYN4I
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The Essene Gospel of Peace, Book Four, Complete
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1J0DacSV1b0
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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 4 | (Part 1 of 2)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HoqUk9Rwp8Q
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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 4 | (Part 2 of 2) *FINAL*
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A5pUqzL6yQo
Szekely's claims were rejected by biblical scholars. Per Beskow has noted that:
The [Essene] Gospel of Peace is a sheer forgery, written by Szekely himself. It is one of the strangest frauds we know of in the biblical field, as it has been carried through by stages during a whole lifetime and has been built onto an entire body of research based on imagination only.[1]
Richard A. Young has written:
Proof that Jesus was vegetarian is based on The Essene Gospel of Peace, which Szekely claims to have translated from an ancient text he supposedly discovered in the 1920s. Szekely alleges that this ancient gospel text is authentic and that the canonical gospels are forgeries. However, no one besides Szekely has ever seen the manuscript. This and other reasons prompt scholars to conclude that The Essene Gospel of Peace is a disreputable forgery.[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_Bordeaux_Szekely
Given the vague information on its discovery and the failure in locating the original manuscripts, critics have suggested that the ancient texts never existed and that the Essene Gospel is an entirely modern product of Szekely's imagination. In spite of these criticisms, many have found the Given the vague information on its discovery and the failure in locating the original manuscripts, critics have suggested that the ancient texts never existed and that the Essene Gospel is an entirely modern product of Szekely's imagination. In spite of these criticisms, many have found the book of great inspirational value.
https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/szekely-edmond-bordeaux-1980
Thank you lin - I'm no expert, but do have the book, "From Enoch To The Dead Sea Scrolls" (makes very good sense to me) - also, have listened to a couple of the tapes - some ring true - some seem overburdened with detailed arguments. I will keep listening to see what is revealed.
It does make sense to me that 'respected biblical scholars' might well reject Szekely's works as 'sheer forgery', since their expertise and status stem from the official scriptures which - from what I can see - also have been transmogrified from original versions and need to be examined for accuracy. Neil Douglas Klotz translates The Lord's Prayer and the Beatitudes directly from the Aramaic - with profound differences compared to the Greek>Latin>English interpretations.
Are we to believe The Dead Sea Scrolls did not exist - or have no relevance to interpreting ancient scriptures? From what little I know, that manuscript was a source for much of Szekely's works.
In my long museum career, in part as a conservator, I prepared some of the Dead Sea Scrolls for exhibition. They exist. They have been authenticated.
The authentication of heritage materials is a complex coming to consensus through reasoned debate of empirical evidence by experts in many fields. The same goes for textual analysis and to some degree translation.
I studied with a scientist who analyzed the Shroud of Turin. As analytical equipment gets more sophisticated, other analyses have been done. I also worked with a paleontologist who delighted in identifying the animal bones preserved in reliquaries. If all the splinters of the True Cross were authentic, the cross would have been larger than Noah's ark.
For believers, the provisional truths of science and the contextual truths of history do not operate in the realms of faith - where absolute truths reign.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/magazine/hebrew-bible-translation.html
Woah, thank you lin ... I just have to run with what rings true in my heart ... I'll let you know what turns up as I listen to these tapes.
So far, these all ring true to me ...:
From Enoch to the Dead Sea Scrolls , Edmond Bordeaux Szekely
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rVb8GpJHDt4&feature=emb_imp_woyt
https://kennethmdouglass.com/library/teachingsOfTheEssenes.pdf11
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From the Essene Book of Moses: The Ten Commandments
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TOXhjH4g7-E&list=PLh9Y1CCfpR4pdzVifgPc0MFDe-cVwNPxC&index=9
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The Essene Book of Creation, Edmond Bordeaux Szekely
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJqrJccPpc
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The Essene Jesus , Edmond Bordeaux Szekely
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYwkP4LATg&feature=emb_imp_woyt
The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in 1947. Here is a description and image of the fragment of The Book of Enoch.
http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/sine-data,_Dead_See_Scrolls,_The_Qumran_Library,_EN.pdf#page13
Neil Douglas-Klotz - Prayers of the Cosmos
Meditations on the Aramaic words of Jesus
http://songofhome.com/Klotz.htm
A brief summary of what Heather, as a historian, has been writing about for over 2 years. Duh.
Rewards, Mike? Maybe in fun. A committee of one? Is that democratic? Do you sense a different perspective?