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Christine (FL)'s avatar

Not only can his work stand on its own, I think it also has wings.

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Michele's avatar

I would suggest Jill Lapore's fairly recent history of the US...These Truths. I learned a lot.

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lin•'s avatar

I wish you would expand on that. I would like to know what you mean. I am sorry you have been attacked for your opinion.

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TCinLA's avatar

You need to get your head out of that place you're keeping it, because what you're smelling in there is not Chanel No. 5. Why don't you go over to FleeceBlock, where bimbos like you can congregate with MTG and worry about the Gaspacho Policy coming for you?

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lin•'s avatar

Horrible comment. Nothing she said called for a mean personal attack.

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Kathleen Allen's avatar

TC, doubtless there are times when hard lines are drawn - tough talk might be useful to intimidate an opponent in times of unavoidable confrontation ... more likely, it can pollute the waters of potential peaceful resolution, inviting a vile response. Shaolin Master Shi Heng Yi says to train like a warrior, live like a monk - the first concern is to cultivate peace.

Best Mindset & Life Advice? - Shi Heng Yi (Shaolin Masters Speech)

(Warrior and "Loser")

SHAOLIN MASTER | Shi Heng Yi 2021 - Full Interview With the MulliganBrothers (1:49:10)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bhdeUspmMP0

https://shihengyi.online

https://shaolin.online

https://shihengyi.online

http://www.facebook.com/shihengyi.online

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oYu0n-O67Do

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Kathleen Allen's avatar

What informing materials would you recommend? Would the works of Edmond Bordeaux Szekely be useful here ...?

The Living Legacy of Edmond Székely - The Tree of Life and the Teachings of the Essenes

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_nZcQ35x5A&feature=emb_imp_woyt

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The Essene Book of Creation, Edmond Bordeaux Szekely

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJqrJccPpc

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From Enoch to the Dead Sea Scrolls , Edmond Bordeaux Szekely

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rVb8GpJHDt4&feature=emb_imp_woyt

https://kennethmdouglass.com/library/teachingsOfTheEssenes.pdf

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From the Essene Book of Moses: The Ten Commandments

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TOXhjH4g7-E&list=PLh9Y1CCfpR4pdzVifgPc0MFDe-cVwNPxC&index=9

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The Essene Jesus , Edmond Bordeaux Szekely

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYwkP4LATg&feature=emb_imp_woyt

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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 1 | (Part 1 of 2)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7cc3aCAxARY&feature=emb_imp_woyt

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZqP0T-jtt0&feature=emb_imp_woyt

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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 1 | (Part 2 of 2)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_BEG3ZN89QI&feature=emb_imp_woyt

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r1XrX_7JqPc&feature=emb_imp_woyt

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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 2 | FULL BOOK

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fcRtOPU53Y&feature=emb_imp_woyt

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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 3 | (Part 1 of 2)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=14pb7WvJWqw

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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 3 | (Part 2 of 2)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ywbd_Qyw-JA

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The Essene Gospel of Peace, Book Three; Part Three

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ENx1IfJYN4I

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The Essene Gospel of Peace, Book Four, Complete

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1J0DacSV1b0

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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 4 | (Part 1 of 2)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HoqUk9Rwp8Q

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Essene Gospel of Peace Book 4 | (Part 2 of 2) *FINAL*

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A5pUqzL6yQo

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lin•'s avatar

Szekely's claims were rejected by biblical scholars. Per Beskow has noted that:

The [Essene] Gospel of Peace is a sheer forgery, written by Szekely himself. It is one of the strangest frauds we know of in the biblical field, as it has been carried through by stages during a whole lifetime and has been built onto an entire body of research based on imagination only.[1]

Richard A. Young has written:

Proof that Jesus was vegetarian is based on The Essene Gospel of Peace, which Szekely claims to have translated from an ancient text he supposedly discovered in the 1920s. Szekely alleges that this ancient gospel text is authentic and that the canonical gospels are forgeries. However, no one besides Szekely has ever seen the manuscript. This and other reasons prompt scholars to conclude that The Essene Gospel of Peace is a disreputable forgery.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmond_Bordeaux_Szekely

Given the vague information on its discovery and the failure in locating the original manuscripts, critics have suggested that the ancient texts never existed and that the Essene Gospel is an entirely modern product of Szekely's imagination. In spite of these criticisms, many have found the Given the vague information on its discovery and the failure in locating the original manuscripts, critics have suggested that the ancient texts never existed and that the Essene Gospel is an entirely modern product of Szekely's imagination. In spite of these criticisms, many have found the book of great inspirational value.

https://www.encyclopedia.com/science/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/szekely-edmond-bordeaux-1980

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Kathleen Allen's avatar

Thank you lin - I'm no expert, but do have the book, "From Enoch To The Dead Sea Scrolls" (makes very good sense to me) - also, have listened to a couple of the tapes - some ring true - some seem overburdened with detailed arguments. I will keep listening to see what is revealed.

It does make sense to me that 'respected biblical scholars' might well reject Szekely's works as 'sheer forgery', since their expertise and status stem from the official scriptures which - from what I can see - also have been transmogrified from original versions and need to be examined for accuracy. Neil Douglas Klotz translates The Lord's Prayer and the Beatitudes directly from the Aramaic - with profound differences compared to the Greek>Latin>English interpretations.

Are we to believe The Dead Sea Scrolls did not exist - or have no relevance to interpreting ancient scriptures? From what little I know, that manuscript was a source for much of Szekely's works.

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lin•'s avatar

In my long museum career, in part as a conservator, I prepared some of the Dead Sea Scrolls for exhibition. They exist. They have been authenticated.

The authentication of heritage materials is a complex coming to consensus through reasoned debate of empirical evidence by experts in many fields. The same goes for textual analysis and to some degree translation.

I studied with a scientist who analyzed the Shroud of Turin. As analytical equipment gets more sophisticated, other analyses have been done. I also worked with a paleontologist who delighted in identifying the animal bones preserved in reliquaries. If all the splinters of the True Cross were authentic, the cross would have been larger than Noah's ark.

For believers, the provisional truths of science and the contextual truths of history do not operate in the realms of faith - where absolute truths reign.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/magazine/hebrew-bible-translation.html

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Kathleen Allen's avatar

Woah, thank you lin ... I just have to run with what rings true in my heart ... I'll let you know what turns up as I listen to these tapes.

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Kathleen Allen's avatar

So far, these all ring true to me ...:

From Enoch to the Dead Sea Scrolls , Edmond Bordeaux Szekely

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rVb8GpJHDt4&feature=emb_imp_woyt

https://kennethmdouglass.com/library/teachingsOfTheEssenes.pdf11

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From the Essene Book of Moses: The Ten Commandments

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TOXhjH4g7-E&list=PLh9Y1CCfpR4pdzVifgPc0MFDe-cVwNPxC&index=9

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The Essene Book of Creation, Edmond Bordeaux Szekely

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0QJqrJccPpc

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The Essene Jesus , Edmond Bordeaux Szekely

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OeYwkP4LATg&feature=emb_imp_woyt

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lin•'s avatar

The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in 1947. Here is a description and image of the fragment of The Book of Enoch.

http://www.documentacatholicaomnia.eu/03d/sine-data,_Dead_See_Scrolls,_The_Qumran_Library,_EN.pdf#page13

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Kathleen Allen's avatar

Neil Douglas-Klotz - Prayers of the Cosmos

Meditations on the Aramaic words of Jesus

http://songofhome.com/Klotz.htm

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