I was responding to the following observation of Dr. Richardson's: "The report concludes that the efforts to subvert the DOJ were part of Trump’s attempt “to retain the presidency by any means necessary,”"
Subverting the DOJ to attempt to overthrow the legitimately elected President is treason. There are criminal penalties noted for treason in the United States that start with arrest.
One of the other commenters noted that concern or fear may be holding the current administration back from arresting Trump for treason, which, would be appropriate at this point.
My comment is not meant as self indulgent or venting. My observation is to point out that Trump's army was ineffective and nothing to be afraid of. In fact, many of those who arrived Jan 6 were out of shape, overweight, recipients of SSD and welfare, hence, having the time to go on Trump's excursion. Anyone with a job, or a business, did not have three days to waste attempting to overthrow the government.
If Biden is holding back out of fear of consequences from Trump supporters, and I do not know if the other commenter is right, then, there is no need to be fearful of arresting a treasonous former President.
There is reason to be fearful if Trump is not arrested.
The article indicates that whites in counties with declining whit population were part of Trump’s ragtag assault on the Capitol. This info supports my assessment not refutes it. Maybe I misread?
Kim, There is nothing in the article for which you provided a link and the Washington Post article, which it referred to, that deals with or refutes Mike's descriptions of the insurrectionists. While Mike's generalizations may have been stereotyping, the link you provided concerns the areas in which many of the insurgents live and reasons for their attraction to Trump.
Kim, Thank you for posting the report, which you had indented. The Chicago Project on Security and Threats assessed '... 193 individuals arrested by FBI, Capitol Hill Police, and DC Police for entering the US Capitol or breaking into the Capitol grounds on January 6, 2021 and compared them to '...108 right-wing extremists arrested by FBI for deadly violence, 2015-2020 and other data on past right-wing extremists.' The differences between the two groups were very noteworthy. I am sorry that CPOST did not or could not indicate the percentage of those assessed with the total of arrests of people who also may have qualified to join the assessed group. Nevertheless, I second your recommendation that subscribers read the report. The characteristics of insurrectionists assessed may surprise readers.
Thanks for that link; apropos of nothing perhaps, former neighbors here in Maricopa county, white and retired, were at the rally but not the insurrection part….probably lots more like them there. Lots of AZ folks were “bad actors “ as well
"... many of those who arrived Jan 6 were out of shape, overweight, recipients of SSD and welfare, hence, having the time to go on Trump's excursion. Anyone with a job, or a business, did not have three days to waste ..."
How perfectly arrogant and ignorant of you, Mike S.
lin, If you are in the mind of a reviewer, you will encounter a wide variety of personalities and persuasions here. There is much material from which to sort out givers and takers; the nasty and the nice, if you like. Most subscribers of LFAA (Letter from an American) joined to learn from Heather's Letter; report our responses to it; convey information concerning what's happening from other sources; share our personal experiences and learn from one another. It may take some time for you to become acquainted with the forum and decide how to pursue it and for how long. I think it is an extraordinary opportunity to read what Heather lays out concerning America's condition on a day to day basis and communicate with Americans around the country and in other places. At this time, in particular, it is a treasured base for learning, exchange and comradery. Welcome, lin.
lin, I'm curious, what did you imagine this comment section would be like? Each subscriber brings their own interpretation of Heather's Letters along with their own world view to the discussion. Most folks here started reading (and watching) Heather on Facebook. When she opened the Substack Letters subscription many of us migrated here to read and interact in a less noise filled atmosphere. If you stick around you'll find that Heather sometimes throws out a question for us to think about, debate and respond to. You'll also find that a good number of subscribers are able to offer amplified insight on certain issues based on their professions which include foreign service, academia, economics, finance, education, the armed forces, law enforcement, law, medicine and more. I think you'll find it's a pretty decent bunch of people.
What do you consider self-indulgent venting? I haven’t heard anyone say “woe is me” or claim they are a victim. Maybe I don’t understand your statement.
I was surprised at a comment which dealt more in superficial characterizations of certain Trump supporters and Republicans than in substantial critique of their actions.
Lin. In the context of military style assault being overweight, out of physical condition, and underemployed are not superficial traits. They are relevant in evaluating the capability of Trump supported should the current Justice department arrest him. In the context of the thread content nobody need feel great trepidation.
Mike, Your comment has been raked over the coals. Perhaps, there was a bit of merit in believing that your characterization misrepresented the insurrectionists on 1/6. Kim provided a link to an article with a different assessment. You reported what you saw, not a careful study of the demographics. If you haven't read the article that was linked, perhaps, that would be worthwhile. I'm guessing that the accusation of 'stereotyping' on your part may have been behind the criticism. Your comments are usually well considered. I don't know what the truth is concerning this one, but you provided a bone that must be all chewed up by now. Salud, my friend.
Fern, no problem. My comment was in the context of another post where the concern was raised the Biden admin may have no backbone or be afraid to arrest Trump.
Again, if what we all saw at the Capitol is what Trump can field, no worries.
Even Trump himself, after the march began, referred to the people he had just addressed as "Low class".
I am new to this comments section, but I am very surprised to see self indulgent venting in response to Cox Richardson's disciplined analysis.
Lin,
I was responding to the following observation of Dr. Richardson's: "The report concludes that the efforts to subvert the DOJ were part of Trump’s attempt “to retain the presidency by any means necessary,”"
Subverting the DOJ to attempt to overthrow the legitimately elected President is treason. There are criminal penalties noted for treason in the United States that start with arrest.
One of the other commenters noted that concern or fear may be holding the current administration back from arresting Trump for treason, which, would be appropriate at this point.
My comment is not meant as self indulgent or venting. My observation is to point out that Trump's army was ineffective and nothing to be afraid of. In fact, many of those who arrived Jan 6 were out of shape, overweight, recipients of SSD and welfare, hence, having the time to go on Trump's excursion. Anyone with a job, or a business, did not have three days to waste attempting to overthrow the government.
If Biden is holding back out of fear of consequences from Trump supporters, and I do not know if the other commenter is right, then, there is no need to be fearful of arresting a treasonous former President.
There is reason to be fearful if Trump is not arrested.
Actually, that assessment of the Jan 6 insurrectionists is incorrect.
https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2021/04/a-look-at-demographics-of-the-jan-6-insurrectionists/
The article indicates that whites in counties with declining whit population were part of Trump’s ragtag assault on the Capitol. This info supports my assessment not refutes it. Maybe I misread?
Mike, Kim's second link is the one with report of the assessed insurrectionists. The results will surprise you, nd I suggest that you read it.
Exactly, Kim WA. Thank you.
Kim, There is nothing in the article for which you provided a link and the Washington Post article, which it referred to, that deals with or refutes Mike's descriptions of the insurrectionists. While Mike's generalizations may have been stereotyping, the link you provided concerns the areas in which many of the insurgents live and reasons for their attraction to Trump.
Fern, sorry about that. try this one:
https://d3qi0qp55mx5f5.cloudfront.net/cpost/i/docs/americas_insurrectionists_online_2021_01_29.pdf?mtime=1611966204
There are several publications regarding demographics of those folks.
Kim, Thank you for posting the report, which you had indented. The Chicago Project on Security and Threats assessed '... 193 individuals arrested by FBI, Capitol Hill Police, and DC Police for entering the US Capitol or breaking into the Capitol grounds on January 6, 2021 and compared them to '...108 right-wing extremists arrested by FBI for deadly violence, 2015-2020 and other data on past right-wing extremists.' The differences between the two groups were very noteworthy. I am sorry that CPOST did not or could not indicate the percentage of those assessed with the total of arrests of people who also may have qualified to join the assessed group. Nevertheless, I second your recommendation that subscribers read the report. The characteristics of insurrectionists assessed may surprise readers.
Thanks for that link; apropos of nothing perhaps, former neighbors here in Maricopa county, white and retired, were at the rally but not the insurrection part….probably lots more like them there. Lots of AZ folks were “bad actors “ as well
"... many of those who arrived Jan 6 were out of shape, overweight, recipients of SSD and welfare, hence, having the time to go on Trump's excursion. Anyone with a job, or a business, did not have three days to waste ..."
How perfectly arrogant and ignorant of you, Mike S.
Perhaps.
lin, If you are in the mind of a reviewer, you will encounter a wide variety of personalities and persuasions here. There is much material from which to sort out givers and takers; the nasty and the nice, if you like. Most subscribers of LFAA (Letter from an American) joined to learn from Heather's Letter; report our responses to it; convey information concerning what's happening from other sources; share our personal experiences and learn from one another. It may take some time for you to become acquainted with the forum and decide how to pursue it and for how long. I think it is an extraordinary opportunity to read what Heather lays out concerning America's condition on a day to day basis and communicate with Americans around the country and in other places. At this time, in particular, it is a treasured base for learning, exchange and comradery. Welcome, lin.
lin, I'm curious, what did you imagine this comment section would be like? Each subscriber brings their own interpretation of Heather's Letters along with their own world view to the discussion. Most folks here started reading (and watching) Heather on Facebook. When she opened the Substack Letters subscription many of us migrated here to read and interact in a less noise filled atmosphere. If you stick around you'll find that Heather sometimes throws out a question for us to think about, debate and respond to. You'll also find that a good number of subscribers are able to offer amplified insight on certain issues based on their professions which include foreign service, academia, economics, finance, education, the armed forces, law enforcement, law, medicine and more. I think you'll find it's a pretty decent bunch of people.
What do you consider self-indulgent venting? I haven’t heard anyone say “woe is me” or claim they are a victim. Maybe I don’t understand your statement.
Thank You All for your welcome.
I was surprised at a comment which dealt more in superficial characterizations of certain Trump supporters and Republicans than in substantial critique of their actions.
Lin. In the context of military style assault being overweight, out of physical condition, and underemployed are not superficial traits. They are relevant in evaluating the capability of Trump supported should the current Justice department arrest him. In the context of the thread content nobody need feel great trepidation.
Mike, Your comment has been raked over the coals. Perhaps, there was a bit of merit in believing that your characterization misrepresented the insurrectionists on 1/6. Kim provided a link to an article with a different assessment. You reported what you saw, not a careful study of the demographics. If you haven't read the article that was linked, perhaps, that would be worthwhile. I'm guessing that the accusation of 'stereotyping' on your part may have been behind the criticism. Your comments are usually well considered. I don't know what the truth is concerning this one, but you provided a bone that must be all chewed up by now. Salud, my friend.
Fern, no problem. My comment was in the context of another post where the concern was raised the Biden admin may have no backbone or be afraid to arrest Trump.
Again, if what we all saw at the Capitol is what Trump can field, no worries.
Even Trump himself, after the march began, referred to the people he had just addressed as "Low class".
Sorry, Mike, I saw that you did read the article.
Indeed, lin, such as remarks abt SSD and welfare.
Made me wonder, HUH?!!
Many at the assault were underemployed with free time. A pre-requisite to three days in DC.
Wrong. For more information read Kim's second link. The first was not of the report, nor what she intended to link.
Do you have a reference for that assertion?
https://d3qi0qp55mx5f5.cloudfront.net/cpost/i/docs/americas_insurrectionists_online_2021_01_29.pdf?mtime=1611966204
9% were unemployed according to this research.