I fully support Israel's right to eliminate the threat of Iranian sponsored terror. Indiscriminate killing of Israelis is a well paid career in Gaza and the West Bank. The leaders and teachers of the 10/7 atrocities must be eliminated, and their populations re-educated to live with Jewish settlers, under the nurturing wing of Allah, with…
I fully support Israel's right to eliminate the threat of Iranian sponsored terror. Indiscriminate killing of Israelis is a well paid career in Gaza and the West Bank. The leaders and teachers of the 10/7 atrocities must be eliminated, and their populations re-educated to live with Jewish settlers, under the nurturing wing of Allah, with full rights and privileges of Palestinian citizens, as Arab-Israelis live in their Jewish State. I think it's relevant to understand that Arab leaders conspired with Hitler to eliminate Jews last century and still hold their death cult fantasies.
Here is is again, the use of "my god is better than your god" to address issues. Would that we would finally free ourselves from the prison of religion and actually encourage people to think for themselves.
Ethnic nationalism, social remaking can produce as much fervent devotion as religion. Traditionally however religion has been tied to states and peoples that often adds to the fervor. I don't think you can just lay it on "religion" as such. "Mores" have deep roots in human nature.
Those "mores" as you call them, are just plain superstition dressed up as a socially sanctioned belief system. We are capable of much more than that, if only we are allowed to develop the capacity to think. I have nothing against tradition, origin legends and ritual, but so often they are held up as truths rather than the way a particular society organizes itself. Religion, too often is used to justify brutality and serves mostly to separate us from each other. Anyone who accepts religion gives up their right to think for themselves.
"mores" are essential rules and guidelines of social regulation, the "Ten Commandments" are mainly about social regulation; i sometimes think "religion" as an overarching authority was built just to enforce social/tribal/clan/ethnic/imperial/national cohesions, often with their attendant enemies, given humanity's long history of conflicts at all these levels. Not sure I get "so often as they are held up as truths rather than the way a particular society organizes itself" . The 10C is exactly a sanctioning/enforcing document, along with the multitude of other rules you'll find Exodus etc richly adorned with, with or without Yahwah's explicit command. For example, have fun reading the litany of rules about slavery and details for reimbursements for damage done to the many categories thereof. You might also remember that in the process of suppressing Russian Orthodoxy etc in the fledging Soviet Union, the Soviets committed mass atrocities in their efforts to remake society, and religion wasn't the best killing example. Best example I'd say was the deliberate mass starvation of Ukrainian peasant farmers in the early 1930s, we're talking millions here. Of course, that doesn't even get us to the Nazis, who simply wanted to annihilate whole populations so they could colonize most of eastern Europe well into Ukraine with Germans - the Master Race. I will certainly agree that the long persecution of Jews as "killers of Christ" is likely the best example of religious persecution for no other reason. I recommend reading Snyder's Bloodlands, or Plokhy's The Gates of Europe, a history of the Ukrainian region. You will blanch at the sheer level and detail of atrocity and mayhem, at not exactly in the name of "religion", allowing for the Jewish holocaust in the middle of it all.
I prefer "perfect sky parent" since a belief in any god emerges from the human longing to have a perfect parent watching over them, rather than the imperfect parents they actually had.
Business leaders and the press also supported Hitler's rise and have yet to be held accountable. They wield economic security like a blunt object to keep people oppressed, especially in America where consumers are treated like labs rats.
What do Israelis have to do in the West Bank and in Gaza? It's not part of their country. The Israeli settlers are their illegally and should be leaving.
Israelis haven't lived in Gaza in decades. Israel made Gaza "Judenrein"--Jew-free--by pulling every Jewish resident, business, and military base out of Gaza and giving the keys to Palestinians to run Gaza themselves. Palestinians said they wanted independence to govern as they saw fit, and Israel provided that. The result was Gazans elected Hamas as their legal, official government, and last October's massacre was the natural consequence of that.
West Bank and Gaza are part of Israel, which won both territories in the 1967 war. Israel has not declared formal sovereignty over either in hopes of making a deal for an independent Palestinian state, which the Gaza handover was designed to trial. And the largest part of West Bank IS open to Jewish settlement, per the Clinton accords, until such time a final peace treaty is negotiated.
Oh well, you're so right - whatever option do the poor Israelis have but to commit genocide on the Palestinians? Only because they created Hamas because Israel wanted to fight the PLO with them, who could have known they turn out to be so ungrateful? Just because the Palestinians are treated like concentration camp prisoners in their own country - who could hold it against the most moral army in the world in the most horribly victimised 😢 country in the world?
You just have to listen to Israeli tv, to the speeches in the Knesset or watch some IDF Instas to get a pretty good idea what sort of people Israelis in their majority are.
I fully accept that Israel is a nation that was horribly traumatised in its history, and - in my opinion - it just like a person would, has a mental defect due to that trauma. But that doesn't entitle it to commit war crime after war crime after war crime (listen to ICJ presentations regarding the occupation of the Palestinian territories), behave in the most brutal, colonising way towards a country that it has taken all the land from. The West put after WWII all its ugly, stinking guilt into a huge bucket, flung it over the Middle East and said "your problem now"
Just like Jon Stewart said "Listen, Middle East, we didn't want to be drawn in all that drama that OUR actions caused - we just want your delicious oil!"
If the West lets get Israel away again and again and again, Putin and Xi Jinping have won. The world will not forget this and the first signs are there. One should not forget, that the West is in the minority on this issue.
Can't wait for the next episode of this show "Who is the US gonna elect - the criminal in Putin's pocket or the palliative care candidate candidate in Israel's pocket?"
The writers of our reality must to coked up to the eyeballs.
All those words to avoid answering a simple question. I'll restate it so you can try again:
Since you consider this genocide, what war plan would you have enacted to ensure Israel destroyed Hamas without injuring non-combatants in Gaza and therefore avoid the "genocide" you claim is happening?
You're very welcome, Kathy. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, all 2.2 million Gazans would have been turned into charcoal six months ago with thermobaric weapons and scraped into the Med. That 98 percent of the Gaza population remains alive is proof Israel is NOT committing genocide, and anyone suggesting otherwise is a fool or a Hamas tool.
You're missing once again the point, my friend, the question is "Will exterminating the entire Palestinians nation - as a large part of the Israeli government seems to suggest - will rid Israel of Hamas?" So far there are all indications that Hamas support has worldwide grown exponentially in the last few months, hence why it is quite clearly impossible for the IDF to successfully eliminate them. All that will happen in the long run is that the Israel will be regarded even more as a pariah as it already is.
But luckily that's not my problem - and that's enough of this b.s. now.
I see you dodged the question for the third time: How should Israel destroy Hamas without harming noncombatants in Gaza? Your refusal to answer means you have no alternative, making your "genocide" claim worthless.
Anyone who supports Hamas is a terrorist, which says a lot about you.
ensuring the safety and security of Jews is a fundamental mission for Israel, both within its borders and globally. Any Palestinian state that does not ensure its Jewish citizens would be counter to the mission of Israel. Jews living freely in Palestine is part of the Hamas charter.
I fully support Israel's right to eliminate the threat of Iranian sponsored terror. Indiscriminate killing of Israelis is a well paid career in Gaza and the West Bank. The leaders and teachers of the 10/7 atrocities must be eliminated, and their populations re-educated to live with Jewish settlers, under the nurturing wing of Allah, with full rights and privileges of Palestinian citizens, as Arab-Israelis live in their Jewish State. I think it's relevant to understand that Arab leaders conspired with Hitler to eliminate Jews last century and still hold their death cult fantasies.
Here is is again, the use of "my god is better than your god" to address issues. Would that we would finally free ourselves from the prison of religion and actually encourage people to think for themselves.
Ethnic nationalism, social remaking can produce as much fervent devotion as religion. Traditionally however religion has been tied to states and peoples that often adds to the fervor. I don't think you can just lay it on "religion" as such. "Mores" have deep roots in human nature.
Those "mores" as you call them, are just plain superstition dressed up as a socially sanctioned belief system. We are capable of much more than that, if only we are allowed to develop the capacity to think. I have nothing against tradition, origin legends and ritual, but so often they are held up as truths rather than the way a particular society organizes itself. Religion, too often is used to justify brutality and serves mostly to separate us from each other. Anyone who accepts religion gives up their right to think for themselves.
"mores" are essential rules and guidelines of social regulation, the "Ten Commandments" are mainly about social regulation; i sometimes think "religion" as an overarching authority was built just to enforce social/tribal/clan/ethnic/imperial/national cohesions, often with their attendant enemies, given humanity's long history of conflicts at all these levels. Not sure I get "so often as they are held up as truths rather than the way a particular society organizes itself" . The 10C is exactly a sanctioning/enforcing document, along with the multitude of other rules you'll find Exodus etc richly adorned with, with or without Yahwah's explicit command. For example, have fun reading the litany of rules about slavery and details for reimbursements for damage done to the many categories thereof. You might also remember that in the process of suppressing Russian Orthodoxy etc in the fledging Soviet Union, the Soviets committed mass atrocities in their efforts to remake society, and religion wasn't the best killing example. Best example I'd say was the deliberate mass starvation of Ukrainian peasant farmers in the early 1930s, we're talking millions here. Of course, that doesn't even get us to the Nazis, who simply wanted to annihilate whole populations so they could colonize most of eastern Europe well into Ukraine with Germans - the Master Race. I will certainly agree that the long persecution of Jews as "killers of Christ" is likely the best example of religious persecution for no other reason. I recommend reading Snyder's Bloodlands, or Plokhy's The Gates of Europe, a history of the Ukrainian region. You will blanch at the sheer level and detail of atrocity and mayhem, at not exactly in the name of "religion", allowing for the Jewish holocaust in the middle of it all.
“ Religion, too often is used to justify brutality and serves mostly to separate us from each other.”
I agree but that is man’s interpretation of “religion” not a truth about religion itself.
But religions are both created and interpreted by human beings.
Yes! Follow the invisible leader!
I prefer "perfect sky parent" since a belief in any god emerges from the human longing to have a perfect parent watching over them, rather than the imperfect parents they actually had.
My go to: Imaginary Sky Pilot.
Business leaders and the press also supported Hitler's rise and have yet to be held accountable. They wield economic security like a blunt object to keep people oppressed, especially in America where consumers are treated like labs rats.
Truth there
What do Israelis have to do in the West Bank and in Gaza? It's not part of their country. The Israeli settlers are their illegally and should be leaving.
Israelis haven't lived in Gaza in decades. Israel made Gaza "Judenrein"--Jew-free--by pulling every Jewish resident, business, and military base out of Gaza and giving the keys to Palestinians to run Gaza themselves. Palestinians said they wanted independence to govern as they saw fit, and Israel provided that. The result was Gazans elected Hamas as their legal, official government, and last October's massacre was the natural consequence of that.
West Bank and Gaza are part of Israel, which won both territories in the 1967 war. Israel has not declared formal sovereignty over either in hopes of making a deal for an independent Palestinian state, which the Gaza handover was designed to trial. And the largest part of West Bank IS open to Jewish settlement, per the Clinton accords, until such time a final peace treaty is negotiated.
It's more complicated than you think.
Oh well, you're so right - whatever option do the poor Israelis have but to commit genocide on the Palestinians? Only because they created Hamas because Israel wanted to fight the PLO with them, who could have known they turn out to be so ungrateful? Just because the Palestinians are treated like concentration camp prisoners in their own country - who could hold it against the most moral army in the world in the most horribly victimised 😢 country in the world?
You just have to listen to Israeli tv, to the speeches in the Knesset or watch some IDF Instas to get a pretty good idea what sort of people Israelis in their majority are.
I fully accept that Israel is a nation that was horribly traumatised in its history, and - in my opinion - it just like a person would, has a mental defect due to that trauma. But that doesn't entitle it to commit war crime after war crime after war crime (listen to ICJ presentations regarding the occupation of the Palestinian territories), behave in the most brutal, colonising way towards a country that it has taken all the land from. The West put after WWII all its ugly, stinking guilt into a huge bucket, flung it over the Middle East and said "your problem now"
Just like Jon Stewart said "Listen, Middle East, we didn't want to be drawn in all that drama that OUR actions caused - we just want your delicious oil!"
If the West lets get Israel away again and again and again, Putin and Xi Jinping have won. The world will not forget this and the first signs are there. One should not forget, that the West is in the minority on this issue.
Can't wait for the next episode of this show "Who is the US gonna elect - the criminal in Putin's pocket or the palliative care candidate candidate in Israel's pocket?"
The writers of our reality must to coked up to the eyeballs.
All those words to avoid answering a simple question. I'll restate it so you can try again:
Since you consider this genocide, what war plan would you have enacted to ensure Israel destroyed Hamas without injuring non-combatants in Gaza and therefore avoid the "genocide" you claim is happening?
It should be easy for you to answer, so go ahead.
Thanks for calling out the word "genocide", used so freely here.
You're very welcome, Kathy. If Israel wanted to commit genocide, all 2.2 million Gazans would have been turned into charcoal six months ago with thermobaric weapons and scraped into the Med. That 98 percent of the Gaza population remains alive is proof Israel is NOT committing genocide, and anyone suggesting otherwise is a fool or a Hamas tool.
Or do you believe Israelis should have just shut up and accepted the mass murders?
You're missing once again the point, my friend, the question is "Will exterminating the entire Palestinians nation - as a large part of the Israeli government seems to suggest - will rid Israel of Hamas?" So far there are all indications that Hamas support has worldwide grown exponentially in the last few months, hence why it is quite clearly impossible for the IDF to successfully eliminate them. All that will happen in the long run is that the Israel will be regarded even more as a pariah as it already is.
But luckily that's not my problem - and that's enough of this b.s. now.
I see you dodged the question for the third time: How should Israel destroy Hamas without harming noncombatants in Gaza? Your refusal to answer means you have no alternative, making your "genocide" claim worthless.
Anyone who supports Hamas is a terrorist, which says a lot about you.
Silly old have-been.
Yet still smarter than you.
Once again radicals are calling the shots, to the detriment of all.
ensuring the safety and security of Jews is a fundamental mission for Israel, both within its borders and globally. Any Palestinian state that does not ensure its Jewish citizens would be counter to the mission of Israel. Jews living freely in Palestine is part of the Hamas charter.
"Reducate" is an interesting term for kill.