What if we just go in and have them arrest 1,000's of us for being good human beings? You cannot/should not legislate our votes, water, food.
Is this not the party of bathtub sized government and they are legislating food and water? Stop this nonsense.
All this experimental humans need to be kicked out of our government and shipped to Moscow. So much for my trying to find the best qualities in one another and amplifying it.
What % of Atlanta cops are African American? I think it unenforceable. Ur gonna see protests prior, by the police themselves and/or mass resignations. Every institution of govt and most private enterprises are diverse. GA legislature can try to dream that magically away, but it is concrete and real. Their resolve will wither as this firestorm grows and grows. Hopefully the courts strike it down. If not, we are all coming to Georgia, тАЬall of us this time.тАЭ
I disagree. I don't see how it can be enforced in the diverse police departments in Georgia. Think about it. The law pits black cops against white cops within every department and at every level. On the justice side, it pits black prosecutors and staffs against their communities and maybe fractures from within. It is and will be an institutional cancer throughout every govt in Georgia. Its about to get interesting and the more it gets, the more we need to get moving.
Yes, France (Europe in general) is a different beast altogether. Police in the U.S. have absolutely no incentive to do other than support the status quo.
I wish you were right, I truly do. I think the courts may strike down parts of this law, but otherwise this scenario is highly unlikely. Boycotts might actually work, though. But the idea that there will be a mass uprising is not supported by history. We have tolerated and rationalized away much worse outrages than this.
Which history, and when? And what counts as an uprising? Not solely violent rebellion, that's for sure. There are many examples all through history.
On April 20, 1861 (we'll observe it next month), 250,000 Unionists rallied in NYC's Union Sq for democracy and freedom. During the Civil War 500,000 enslaved people liberated themselves by escaping to Union lines, many serving in the military. A leading scholar, Steven Hahn, has a chapter titled "Did we Miss the Greatest Slave Rebellion in Modern History?" Preserving democracy today looks to be as important as expanding human liberty then.
More recently, the violent white backlash against civil rights provoked a nationwide wave of revulsion leading directly to the Civil and Voting Rights Acts in 1964-5. The Georgia GQP is setting up a very similar scenario. Also, the Nuclear Freeze movement significantly impacted the arms race. I know; I was at the great 1982 rally in Central Park with 800,000 of my closest friends.
P Ackerman, A Force More Powerful: A Century of Nonviolent Conflict
I was speaking specifically of the type of rebellion ted was describing. And I am more concerned with more recent history. Yes, many of us came out for BLM rallies early on, but they petered out pretty quickly. The Women's March after Trump was elected was very impressive, but in the end politically impotent. I would also point out that the Civil War and the Civil and Voting Rights Acts, while of course deeply significant, did not then and have not yet led to true equality in any area in the U.S. Ted spoke of a growing firestorm which he implies will lead to substantive change. I am dubious.
BLM protests petered out? Hah. Perhaps you just stopped attending or paying attention. And wait til the summer protest season, when AAPI people finally also find the strength that lies within.
I stand by my prior comment, and, with Stuart, note that when police join or enable protesters, violence is not automatic. Sometimes it prevents it. Please look at "A Force More Powerful" for numerous 20C examples.
What is the loophole in our Constitution that allow states take away our rights to vote? Or to provide water. WTF? Why is a gun more important than a vote to a republican? Are we back in the insane asylum so quickly? I just woke up and am mad as hell.
I thought we were going to have a period of calm but no. The liars and thieves are at it in full strength trying to take away the shreds of democracy that we have managed to salvage in the past four years years
It will be very interesting to read the actual wording of the bill and see what the loopholes are. I have no doubt there will be many people looking for them and exploiting them.
In 1840, American humorist Seba Smith first indicated as much in her short story тАЬThe Money DiggersтАЭ when she wrote: тАЬAs it is said, 'There are more ways than one to skin a cat,' so are there more ways than one of digging for money.тАЭ Courtesy of Google.
Many such phrases started with communities in poor Appalachian settlements and came from their Scots/Irish/Northern English origins, spreading thereafter throughout the language. Seba Smith was born and bread Maine and was the first American Humorist to employ a great deal of "vernacula".
Mind you we tend to do that now when transporting horses. But it is true, in metaphorical terms it not good for anyone, despite the current tendency to work on the symptoms rather than the cause, to get their logic in such a disgraceful disorder. Certainly this, for one reason or another, allows people not to see the wood for the trees......to quote another aphorism.
I'm sure there's a loophole or two. What exactly is the definition of "give?"
What if a person sells water for 10 cents a bottle? What if another person, independent of the first, hands out dimes?
10 bottles for 1 cent
Get ur ice cold ballot water here! I got ice cold democracy water here( like at a baseball game)
With a penny taped to it?
Well, woops. Don't want to go to jail for buying votes. No penny.
Use our convenient layaway plan. Buy now, pay later!
Nobody said you couldnтАЩt SELL water!
I would even accept IOU's.
What if we just go in and have them arrest 1,000's of us for being good human beings? You cannot/should not legislate our votes, water, food.
Is this not the party of bathtub sized government and they are legislating food and water? Stop this nonsense.
All this experimental humans need to be kicked out of our government and shipped to Moscow. So much for my trying to find the best qualities in one another and amplifying it.
"Experimental human beings" "shipped to Moscow" Now that's an idea!
Yeah, or a penny! Stop us and ur em peddling my business! ThatтАЩd be awesome
Might need a license, as soon as they catch on
Hard to get to all 1000 of us, though.
Or thousands Reid
The rights of the corporate voter...Perfect, Ted!
Yep, you are a winner! On the team!
Good old American ingenuity at work
You'd probably need a Vendor Permit from the city and they would probably deny it or some rule about "fair value prices" or other b/s
Good trouble....
Very good trouble
No mention of dimes in the bill, so should be fine.
What % of Atlanta cops are African American? I think it unenforceable. Ur gonna see protests prior, by the police themselves and/or mass resignations. Every institution of govt and most private enterprises are diverse. GA legislature can try to dream that magically away, but it is concrete and real. Their resolve will wither as this firestorm grows and grows. Hopefully the courts strike it down. If not, we are all coming to Georgia, тАЬall of us this time.тАЭ
It is a turning point in any revolution when the police side with the people and turn against the government.
Never happen.
I disagree. I don't see how it can be enforced in the diverse police departments in Georgia. Think about it. The law pits black cops against white cops within every department and at every level. On the justice side, it pits black prosecutors and staffs against their communities and maybe fractures from within. It is and will be an institutional cancer throughout every govt in Georgia. Its about to get interesting and the more it gets, the more we need to get moving.
It's not too far off already in France!
Yes, France (Europe in general) is a different beast altogether. Police in the U.S. have absolutely no incentive to do other than support the status quo.
Some police forces protected BLM protests some didn't. That's progress.
I know Stuart.
I wish you were right, I truly do. I think the courts may strike down parts of this law, but otherwise this scenario is highly unlikely. Boycotts might actually work, though. But the idea that there will be a mass uprising is not supported by history. We have tolerated and rationalized away much worse outrages than this.
Which history, and when? And what counts as an uprising? Not solely violent rebellion, that's for sure. There are many examples all through history.
On April 20, 1861 (we'll observe it next month), 250,000 Unionists rallied in NYC's Union Sq for democracy and freedom. During the Civil War 500,000 enslaved people liberated themselves by escaping to Union lines, many serving in the military. A leading scholar, Steven Hahn, has a chapter titled "Did we Miss the Greatest Slave Rebellion in Modern History?" Preserving democracy today looks to be as important as expanding human liberty then.
More recently, the violent white backlash against civil rights provoked a nationwide wave of revulsion leading directly to the Civil and Voting Rights Acts in 1964-5. The Georgia GQP is setting up a very similar scenario. Also, the Nuclear Freeze movement significantly impacted the arms race. I know; I was at the great 1982 rally in Central Park with 800,000 of my closest friends.
P Ackerman, A Force More Powerful: A Century of Nonviolent Conflict
S Hahn, A Nation Under our Feet
____, The Political Worlds of Slavery and Freedom
I was speaking specifically of the type of rebellion ted was describing. And I am more concerned with more recent history. Yes, many of us came out for BLM rallies early on, but they petered out pretty quickly. The Women's March after Trump was elected was very impressive, but in the end politically impotent. I would also point out that the Civil War and the Civil and Voting Rights Acts, while of course deeply significant, did not then and have not yet led to true equality in any area in the U.S. Ted spoke of a growing firestorm which he implies will lead to substantive change. I am dubious.
The BLM protests have made a lot of us aware of the inequality & the brutality. The women's March spurred many more women to run for public office.
Granted there is much more to accomplish but it's a start.
BLM protests petered out? Hah. Perhaps you just stopped attending or paying attention. And wait til the summer protest season, when AAPI people finally also find the strength that lies within.
I stand by my prior comment, and, with Stuart, note that when police join or enable protesters, violence is not automatic. Sometimes it prevents it. Please look at "A Force More Powerful" for numerous 20C examples.
Deep down weтАЩre all dubious but we know these times call for action
IтАЩm definitely envisioning this road trip
What is the loophole in our Constitution that allow states take away our rights to vote? Or to provide water. WTF? Why is a gun more important than a vote to a republican? Are we back in the insane asylum so quickly? I just woke up and am mad as hell.
Because it just is.
Guns can be used to stop POC and Dems from voting.
Oh, silly me. That makes supremely white sense.
I thought we were going to have a period of calm but no. The liars and thieves are at it in full strength trying to take away the shreds of democracy that we have managed to salvage in the past four years years
"Officer, I didn't 'give' it to them; I made it available and they helped themselves."
What's their definition of 3rd party?
Anyone who's not a voter or a fascist?
You can probably still pull into GA, buy yourself an AR15, and patrol the voting lines though. You know, to protect voters from food and water.
Rings true
It should not be easier to buy a gun and shoot someone then it is to vote
Yes Kathleen you are so correct
Anyone who is not white, male, straight, and Republican
It will be very interesting to read the actual wording of the bill and see what the loopholes are. I have no doubt there will be many people looking for them and exploiting them.
Georgia Senate Bill 202 - link to a pdf of full text
https://www.legis.ga.gov/api/legislation/document/20212022/201498
95 pages of corrupt legislation
Syd, You're funny. That last line was very Clintonesque.
There's always more than one way to skin the proverbial cat. (with apologies, I have no idea where that saying comes from)
In 1840, American humorist Seba Smith first indicated as much in her short story тАЬThe Money DiggersтАЭ when she wrote: тАЬAs it is said, 'There are more ways than one to skin a cat,' so are there more ways than one of digging for money.тАЭ Courtesy of Google.
Many such phrases started with communities in poor Appalachian settlements and came from their Scots/Irish/Northern English origins, spreading thereafter throughout the language. Seba Smith was born and bread Maine and was the first American Humorist to employ a great deal of "vernacula".
Putting the cart before the horse was always bad for the horse.
Mind you we tend to do that now when transporting horses. But it is true, in metaphorical terms it not good for anyone, despite the current tendency to work on the symptoms rather than the cause, to get their logic in such a disgraceful disorder. Certainly this, for one reason or another, allows people not to see the wood for the trees......to quote another aphorism.
Always makes me cringe!
"Killing two birds with one stone..." makes me shudder, too.
Cool it, folks. You're freaking out the animals.
It's going to take a big, but subtle stone to do it. Biden is probably on it.
Biden has a way with the vernacular
Vernacular = popular speech!
The Google is strong within you. I still haven't fully internalized the ability to answer any question, any time.
Nor do I, but I remember my father using it frequently.
Just donтАЩt ask the cat ЁЯЩА
Amazon could launch an "Operation Water Drop" with a fleet of their drones. Would a drone qualify as a "third party" and a "drop" qualify as "give"?
As long as the bottles are Coca Cola Branded "dasani". We dont want Bezos getting any ideas about controlling our water supply.
For sure Ted letтАЩs keep Bezos out of our mission
Ahhh, that was my first laugh reading all this. Thank you.