Not sure why you call Joe Biden "Corporate". He doesn't own any Corporations and actually walked the picket line. So unless it is for the sheer pleasure of giving him a derogatory moniker, you are all wet.
You speak only of "illegal" Aliens. Do you know that by LAW we have a duty to help REFUGEES? You may not agree with it, but it is the …
Not sure why you call Joe Biden "Corporate". He doesn't own any Corporations and actually walked the picket line. So unless it is for the sheer pleasure of giving him a derogatory moniker, you are all wet.
You speak only of "illegal" Aliens. Do you know that by LAW we have a duty to help REFUGEES? You may not agree with it, but it is the LAW.
I should add that NO, Aliens, illegal or not, do NOT drive down the cost of labor: In part because of the language barrier, they tend to get menial jobs that Americans refuse to take, and it is easy to see why: The standard of living in this country makes it extremely difficult to live on $7.25/hour.
While we are on this topic, It is false to say that compared to Americans, they tend to be criminals.
and if the various articles cited do not convince you, perhaps common sense will:
Folks who sneak through the border are hoping to remain undetected so that "la migra" does not deport them. Remember that once they are deported, even once, the ability to become an American Citizen is basically nil: It remains a blotch, a stain on their record that guarantees they will not have access to citizenship and the work and voting rights that go with it. They don't want to risk that.
Yeah, I know, that the "problem at the border" is all we hear from a certain segment of the political spectrum. Yet the same people are spitting on any solution, even the ones they've worked on, just to give Mr. Trump a plank to run on. [Since 2016, the RNC has not bothered to write a platform. They still don't have one: they don't know where they want to drive the Country past listening to Mr. Trump who, remember, in 2017 passed a tax break he was so proud of that he had a meeting with his CORPORATE donors and stated: "Today, I saved you all a lot of money". and indeed, he added trillions to the National debt by giving away all that money to the richest of the rich.
So the moniker "Corporate Trump" would apply much better .
[Well, except that in spite of all his criming, Mr. Trump still had at least 7 bankruptcies, so maybe he is not such a great Businessman after all. Not a capable Captain of Industry, this Mr. Trump]
I agree he's a troll. But Cécile Stelzer-Johnson is wrong about the effect of importation of foreign labor on wages. Importing foreign labor is big biz' way of depressing wages, and it has been thus for at least 200 years.
In 1980, meat packers were black, and they earned decent middle class wages thanks to decades of organizing. By that decades end, meat packers were immigrants, toiling under atrocious conditions for barely above minimum wage. The same changes occurred at roughly the same time in many of the unskilled job categories at roughly the same time. Roy Beck lays out the details in his book, Back of the Hiring Line: A 200-Year History of Immigration Surges, Employer Bias and Depression of Black Wealth. He gives the lie to the notion that there are jobs American workers won't do.
In his reporting, Beck interviewed laid off American poultry workers, who had been replaced by immigrants. Would they take back their old jobs if offered, he asked them. No, they told him. On the wages the poultry plant was now paying, they'd have to live in their cars, or many to a room.
Just so you know, I consider Biden the best president of my lifetime, which began in the first summer of the Eisenhower Administration. I come from a Democratic family on both sides. On my mother's side, my great uncle, Phillip Hornbein, a union lawyer on labor's side, and who also went after the Ku Klux Klan, was de facto head of the Colorado Democratic Party for the first half of the last century, and he gave the speech at the '32 convention recommending an end to Prohibition.
And I strongly recommend Airlift.fund as a place to donate to replace GOPers with Democrats this election. Robert Hubbell (who has a substack where he pushes hard for our cause) had recommended them, and my best political source looked at their website and told me they looked terrific.
The beginning of the end in the US was the election of Reagan. I understood then the political landscape. I knew then the direction the country would go. The feckless and inept Democrats lost their bearings and fell in with wealthy sponsors. They thought they had to give in because they realized how much money poured into the Republican Party.
David, for going on 40+ years I completely get what is going on with politics in America. What amazes me to this day is how stupid and/or ignorant the vast majority (north of 90% of the population) are to what is happening in this country. HCR's Substack readers are a good example.
HCR is nothing short of brilliance Each letter delivers a path to restoring this country to a place the Founding Fathers so profoundly defined.
Here is a great example of HCR's brilliance: "But they were wrong to think Roosevelt did not intend to reduce the power of big business. In early January 1902, Minnesota sued to stop the Northern Securities Company from organizing on the grounds that such a combination violated Minnesota law. While the Supreme Court dithered over whether or not it could rule on the case, the Roosevelt administration put the federal government out in front of the issue. In February, Roosevelt’s attorney general told newspapers that the administration believed the formation of the Northern Securities Company violated the 1890 Sherman Antitrust Act and that he would be filing a suit to keep it from organizing."
Democrats laud BIden, but truly what has he done to defend democracy, the rule of law and the Constitution??? The answer is nothing!
I don't agree with your last two sentences, but I agree with the rest of what you say beginning with Reagan--curse the day he was elected. If you want to try to convince me on Biden, I'll listen and think. We can take it offline where you can reach me at supernova1@aol.com.
Thank you Cécile for your strong denunciation of tfgmanbaby. It’s become apparent to me that magnuts like schmeckle have been carefully taught that the only response to facts about 🎃🤡💩 is lies about Biden. They need reprogramming.
Schmeeckle. 🤔 Such a close spelling to “schmeckle” which we all know means penis. The extra “e” in there arguably gives the word a diminutive sound, you know, like teeny.
Sneering at someone because of his family name is like sneering at someone because of the color of his skin. I was given the name of my great-grandfather, an immigrant from the defeated Kingdom of Wurttemberg:
Not really. Many people change their names, very often women when they marry. Or numerous Hollywood actors change theirs to give them more appeal. And I’m sorry there buddy, but yours is still a schmeckle with an added “e.”
Cecile: no need to preach. We know the guy is false, is a demon that must not be allowed back into the White House. Which is only one reason why Biden must show spine dealing with border restrictions until Congress finally acts. But we know they don’t want to act in order to use it in November. Which is double why Biden must use executive hand.
Cecile's comment was good & very informative. It's important that, before making public statements, we have all the facts. Those who rant & make false statements about immigrants often don't have all the facts.
Thank you Cecille. I submit just some of the facts.
As a 4th generation Californian, I know that 'we' all benefit by the labor of immigrants going back to pre-statehood times. Many laborers were from New Mexico not "illegals".
Going back further. the Spanish abused First People's labor building "Missions" along the "King's Highway" which we still call,"El Camino Real" which literally goes all the way up to San Francisco, CA.
Going back real far, you have the Italian "Franciscans" led by Giovanni di Pietro di Beradonna. Yes, that's Saint [San] Francis [co].
I have been to Assisi sitting above the Umbrian Valley & walked the neighborhoods at night, 'buena sera'.
Go to go. I have family visitors this Sunday & have to go to the Grocery Department at Safeway to take advantage of the Border Issue.
If you are suggesting that I don’t have all the facts, perhaps I don’t. What I do know is that as a divisive issue and this certainly ranks as one, we lose elections if we don’t measure up. I understand that every four years, the political mantra is that it’s the most important one ever. Well, this time it’s true. And frankly, and I understand the need for simply political strategy, if we get clobbered by the former republicans now known as MAGA Party, there will not be a recognizable democracy remaining. So if you are steadfast to have millions weighting down every city in the nation (well maybe not every city but I think you get the message,) be my guest. I have enough asset base to leave and immigrate to Europe which I have a better affinity for after once living there for a time, I’ll say adios amigos. Shoot, I may want to leave anyway.
Bill Katz, if we are going to speak of "millions" let's put that in perspective: Legal immigration to the US is .009% of the US population each year--that's a 1,000th of the US population. Attempted illegal migration is 0.03% of the US population. It's also less than the US birth rate. So, it's a matter of perspective.
Listen up and listen well. I’m mostly concerned about optics and optics often determines elections. You guys get so weighted down on context. I’m trying to reach your brain cells to suggest that winning is more important then minutiae. Capici?
Here we have an exquisite example of talking down to your audience, and missing the opportunity to persuade others to your viewpoint. What wins more elections than optics? Truth. In the end, truth always wins. Optics founded on lies cannot stand scrutiny of a close look (pun intended). Can't agree with you, Bill, either in content or in tone. Tone especially here, where the fundamental idea is to equip ourselves with facts.
Also… another afterthought, we should be trying to win over traditional republicans because many of them can’t stand Trump. But we won’t get there if we don’t understand what perhaps the majority or almost majority wants; which is border security.
Bill, but if we put the numbers of immigrants in perspective, we would realize that it is a totally manageable problem that simply needs adequate funding of a system to handle it. It is is not a crisis; America is not being overrun. Then you talk about the fact that bills to provide such a system have been thwarted, and ask people who thwarted it. Orderly management of the immigration system is an idea that supports traditional Republican values. IOW, we can totally support the best of traditional Republican values, combat the hysteria about immigration, and urge people to support candidates who are for orderly border control all at the same time. it sounds to me like you have bought into the crisis mentality instead of management mode. And, if you look at the programs being implemented in South America and Africa, long term easing of the causes of immigration is also being worked on.
Maybe but this isn’t my main point. I want us to win massively if possible and I’m cognoscent of dirty tricks. We are now living in the era of AI so put that into the mix.
Hold the phone. I’m not here to think I’m going to convince anyone to change their minds. People are too hard wired. But that won’t stop me from tapping away like everyone else including you.
Cecile: I understand what you say and you are correct. When some of us say the border is broken, we really mean that the laws need to be amended because as they are now written, they (immigration laws) are being abused, arguably. We need to create more stringent laws. In my opinion, the same goes for parts of the 14th amendment which will never happen. We no longer need the birthright portion. It was enacted to prevent Afrocentric former enslaved from being returned to Africa. This is no longer an issue. But the border is being exploited by those the world over. And besides, you must not forget this last point, we on the democratic side will lose many votes if we don’t show backbone and respond appropriately.
Which laws Bill must be amended, abolish asylum? Chisel out the motto on the Statue of Liberty or re-write it: "Don't gives your poor or sick.Add "No Irish please. Absolutely no refugees from the Third Reich." Yikes -- send them back on the boat they rode in on.
How does one amend any law Mr. Speaker? Mr Speaker, Mr. Speaker -- does anyone know where the Dude is?
Wh are you getting bent out of shape for nothing? I simply want to win an election. I’m less concerned about the disruptions this out of control migration is having. You don’t want to believe it and that’s your prerogative. The poll numbers are not looking very good in spite of a candidate who normally would be laughed off. I’m suggesting for better explanation, a Madison Avenue kind of approach. We must win his election and you just don’t understand.
After the Statue was presented to Levi P Morton, the U.S. minister to France, on July 4, 1884 in Paris, it was disassembled and shipped to the United States aboard the French Navy ship, Isère. The Statue arrived in New York Harbor on June 17, 1885, and was met with great fanfare.
It is not as widely known, but America reciprocated by giving the French a smaller ,otherwise identical Statue: Bartholdi's original model -- on a smaller scale -- is in the Jardins de Luxembourg. A smaller reproduction of the statue sits on the Pont de Grenelle, more or less in the middle of the Seine, and visible from the Tour Eiffel. She was a thank-you gift to the French people from the US.Mar 18, 2008
Yep. I'm not even religious, but I cried. There are so many buildings like that and they represent so much history. I was there with my students, long before it burned. It was so sad.
Because I used to teach French, I figured out how to manipulate those characters in French and Spanish.
Of course, they have changed the program since then and I can no longer print them as I go. However, if I start typing in French in the Word program, before too long, I see appear at the bottom of the page an indication that it recognizes that I'm typing in French. It then makes the corrections, which is pretty handy. I used to use the Control and/or shift plus [ ' or` or^ or and ,] to get the necessary accents.
Working-class Mexican-Americans and even Blacks (to some extent) are taking a look at Trump because the perception of Biden being soft on illegal immigration goes hand in hand with their concerns about job security.
I don't think this can be reversed with Biden as a candidate, because hatred for Trump's "build a wall" approach has been such a part of Biden's message.
Proposed solution: Get Biden to go along with the thought of a brokered convention.
I agree with the Madison Avenue approach. The facts won’t penetrate the brains of the MAGA crowd but they might be swayed by a campaign of perception. Perhaps subliminal advertising would work to counteract their brainwashing. I’m serious about this, especially after seeing the “interviews” of some Trump supporters. They have bought the BS completely and are quite ridiculous in their beliefs.
I was once a political insider locally and I understand how politicians think. And some of it includes what will sell to the different segments of the community. We are becoming numb to what is really going on. We don’t quite understand that this is the real challenge and if we lose ou chance, democracy falls as we have known it. So I keep hammering away that I’m sorry, the hundreds of thousands of peasants wanting in all at once will need to wait because saving my country is more important than them walking a thousand miles north.
Oh and another point. John Schmeekle consider him a blessing. He is teaching you something don’t ignore it. By his own myopic views, you want to read his screeds and learn from it. And he is no troll. He is just having a little fun making many of you scream. John, I understand you little rascal. John believe what he writes but he sometimes chooses to read stuff not well written but that it agrees with his view points. He doesn’t want to expand his mind. Oki dokie?
Thank you Cecile .. you’ve cleared a good bit of my misinformation and given me new factual sources which I’ve avoided searching in past as it’s been my head-in-the-sand (“I’m still working, I don’t have time to examine these statements” … etc)
Aliens do drive down the cost of labor. And companies have been importing foreign laborers for 200 years.
For example, did you know that as late as 1980, meat packers were black, and they earned decent middle class wages, thanks to decades of organizing? But that by that decade's end, they were immigrants, toiling under atrocious conditions for barely more than minimum wage? And that the same thing happened to most of the rest of unskilled work beginning around the same time?
See: Back of the Hiring Line: A 200 Year history of Immigration Surges, Employer Bias, and Depression of Black Wealth, by Roy Beck. ($14 on Amazon).
Beck gives the lie to the notion that there are jobs American workers won't do. As part of his research, he interviewed poultry workers recently laid off, in favor of immigrants. He asked the laid off workers if they'd take their jobs back if offered. No, they told him, becuase the wages were now so low that they'd have to sleep in their cars or live many to a house.
By the way, just so you know, I'm a lifelong Democrat, from a Democratic family. My great uncle, Philip Hornbein, a labor lawyer on labor's side, was de facto head of the Colorado Democratic Party for the first half of the last century, and he gave the speech at the '32 convention recommending an end to prohibition. Biden is the best president of my lifetime, which began in the first summer of the Eisenhower ADministration.
Cecile Stelzer-Johnson, you actually make my point. "Nobody" will work minimum-wage jobs as long as Biden ensures a continuing supply of "nobodies" (illegal aliens). Cut off the supply of illegals, and companies will have to pay a living wage for unskilled labor.
"Corporate Joe" Biden comes from tiny corporatist Delaware, a suburb of Wall Street, where the "grass roots" voters work in the corporate headquarters buildings that Delaware is famous for.
Not sure why you call Joe Biden "Corporate". He doesn't own any Corporations and actually walked the picket line. So unless it is for the sheer pleasure of giving him a derogatory moniker, you are all wet.
You speak only of "illegal" Aliens. Do you know that by LAW we have a duty to help REFUGEES? You may not agree with it, but it is the LAW.
I should add that NO, Aliens, illegal or not, do NOT drive down the cost of labor: In part because of the language barrier, they tend to get menial jobs that Americans refuse to take, and it is easy to see why: The standard of living in this country makes it extremely difficult to live on $7.25/hour.
While we are on this topic, It is false to say that compared to Americans, they tend to be criminals.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/03/01/undocumented-immigrant-crime-rate-not-higher/72788637007/
and
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/trumps-claims-migrant-crime-wave-are-not-supported-national-data-rcna140896
and
https://www.aol.com/news/myth-migrant-crime-wave-221559025.html
and if the various articles cited do not convince you, perhaps common sense will:
Folks who sneak through the border are hoping to remain undetected so that "la migra" does not deport them. Remember that once they are deported, even once, the ability to become an American Citizen is basically nil: It remains a blotch, a stain on their record that guarantees they will not have access to citizenship and the work and voting rights that go with it. They don't want to risk that.
Yeah, I know, that the "problem at the border" is all we hear from a certain segment of the political spectrum. Yet the same people are spitting on any solution, even the ones they've worked on, just to give Mr. Trump a plank to run on. [Since 2016, the RNC has not bothered to write a platform. They still don't have one: they don't know where they want to drive the Country past listening to Mr. Trump who, remember, in 2017 passed a tax break he was so proud of that he had a meeting with his CORPORATE donors and stated: "Today, I saved you all a lot of money". and indeed, he added trillions to the National debt by giving away all that money to the richest of the rich.
https://equitablegrowth.org/six-years-later-more-evidence-shows-the-tax-cuts-and-jobs-act-benefits-u-s-business-owners-and-executives-not-average-workers/#:~:text=Yet%20the%20empirical%20evidence%20has,vast%20majority%20of%20U.S.%20workers.
So the moniker "Corporate Trump" would apply much better .
[Well, except that in spite of all his criming, Mr. Trump still had at least 7 bankruptcies, so maybe he is not such a great Businessman after all. Not a capable Captain of Industry, this Mr. Trump]
Please, do not feed the troll.
Yes he's a troll, but Cécile Stelzer-Johnson - you have said it so well.
I agree he's a troll. But Cécile Stelzer-Johnson is wrong about the effect of importation of foreign labor on wages. Importing foreign labor is big biz' way of depressing wages, and it has been thus for at least 200 years.
In 1980, meat packers were black, and they earned decent middle class wages thanks to decades of organizing. By that decades end, meat packers were immigrants, toiling under atrocious conditions for barely above minimum wage. The same changes occurred at roughly the same time in many of the unskilled job categories at roughly the same time. Roy Beck lays out the details in his book, Back of the Hiring Line: A 200-Year History of Immigration Surges, Employer Bias and Depression of Black Wealth. He gives the lie to the notion that there are jobs American workers won't do.
In his reporting, Beck interviewed laid off American poultry workers, who had been replaced by immigrants. Would they take back their old jobs if offered, he asked them. No, they told him. On the wages the poultry plant was now paying, they'd have to live in their cars, or many to a room.
Just so you know, I consider Biden the best president of my lifetime, which began in the first summer of the Eisenhower Administration. I come from a Democratic family on both sides. On my mother's side, my great uncle, Phillip Hornbein, a union lawyer on labor's side, and who also went after the Ku Klux Klan, was de facto head of the Colorado Democratic Party for the first half of the last century, and he gave the speech at the '32 convention recommending an end to Prohibition.
And I strongly recommend Airlift.fund as a place to donate to replace GOPers with Democrats this election. Robert Hubbell (who has a substack where he pushes hard for our cause) had recommended them, and my best political source looked at their website and told me they looked terrific.
The beginning of the end in the US was the election of Reagan. I understood then the political landscape. I knew then the direction the country would go. The feckless and inept Democrats lost their bearings and fell in with wealthy sponsors. They thought they had to give in because they realized how much money poured into the Republican Party.
David, for going on 40+ years I completely get what is going on with politics in America. What amazes me to this day is how stupid and/or ignorant the vast majority (north of 90% of the population) are to what is happening in this country. HCR's Substack readers are a good example.
HCR is nothing short of brilliance Each letter delivers a path to restoring this country to a place the Founding Fathers so profoundly defined.
Here is a great example of HCR's brilliance: "But they were wrong to think Roosevelt did not intend to reduce the power of big business. In early January 1902, Minnesota sued to stop the Northern Securities Company from organizing on the grounds that such a combination violated Minnesota law. While the Supreme Court dithered over whether or not it could rule on the case, the Roosevelt administration put the federal government out in front of the issue. In February, Roosevelt’s attorney general told newspapers that the administration believed the formation of the Northern Securities Company violated the 1890 Sherman Antitrust Act and that he would be filing a suit to keep it from organizing."
Democrats laud BIden, but truly what has he done to defend democracy, the rule of law and the Constitution??? The answer is nothing!
I don't agree with your last two sentences, but I agree with the rest of what you say beginning with Reagan--curse the day he was elected. If you want to try to convince me on Biden, I'll listen and think. We can take it offline where you can reach me at supernova1@aol.com.
Sharon, I agree. Always always ignore him!
Substack Inc has contractual duties to both "Readers" & "Authors".
Thank you Cécile for your strong denunciation of tfgmanbaby. It’s become apparent to me that magnuts like schmeckle have been carefully taught that the only response to facts about 🎃🤡💩 is lies about Biden. They need reprogramming.
You get a smile from me after a long days work .. thanks!
Gigi, you might check my reply to Cecile Stelzer-Johnson:
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/march-2-2024/comment/50828462
p.s. You blatantly lie by associating me with Trump.
Schmeeckle. 🤔 Such a close spelling to “schmeckle” which we all know means penis. The extra “e” in there arguably gives the word a diminutive sound, you know, like teeny.
Jessie Sonoma,
Sneering at someone because of his family name is like sneering at someone because of the color of his skin. I was given the name of my great-grandfather, an immigrant from the defeated Kingdom of Wurttemberg:
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Schm%C3%BCckle-39#Ancestors
Not really. Many people change their names, very often women when they marry. Or numerous Hollywood actors change theirs to give them more appeal. And I’m sorry there buddy, but yours is still a schmeckle with an added “e.”
Cecile: no need to preach. We know the guy is false, is a demon that must not be allowed back into the White House. Which is only one reason why Biden must show spine dealing with border restrictions until Congress finally acts. But we know they don’t want to act in order to use it in November. Which is double why Biden must use executive hand.
Cecile's comment was good & very informative. It's important that, before making public statements, we have all the facts. Those who rant & make false statements about immigrants often don't have all the facts.
Thank you Cecille. I submit just some of the facts.
As a 4th generation Californian, I know that 'we' all benefit by the labor of immigrants going back to pre-statehood times. Many laborers were from New Mexico not "illegals".
Going back further. the Spanish abused First People's labor building "Missions" along the "King's Highway" which we still call,"El Camino Real" which literally goes all the way up to San Francisco, CA.
Going back real far, you have the Italian "Franciscans" led by Giovanni di Pietro di Beradonna. Yes, that's Saint [San] Francis [co].
I have been to Assisi sitting above the Umbrian Valley & walked the neighborhoods at night, 'buena sera'.
Go to go. I have family visitors this Sunday & have to go to the Grocery Department at Safeway to take advantage of the Border Issue.
.
If you are suggesting that I don’t have all the facts, perhaps I don’t. What I do know is that as a divisive issue and this certainly ranks as one, we lose elections if we don’t measure up. I understand that every four years, the political mantra is that it’s the most important one ever. Well, this time it’s true. And frankly, and I understand the need for simply political strategy, if we get clobbered by the former republicans now known as MAGA Party, there will not be a recognizable democracy remaining. So if you are steadfast to have millions weighting down every city in the nation (well maybe not every city but I think you get the message,) be my guest. I have enough asset base to leave and immigrate to Europe which I have a better affinity for after once living there for a time, I’ll say adios amigos. Shoot, I may want to leave anyway.
Bill Katz, if we are going to speak of "millions" let's put that in perspective: Legal immigration to the US is .009% of the US population each year--that's a 1,000th of the US population. Attempted illegal migration is 0.03% of the US population. It's also less than the US birth rate. So, it's a matter of perspective.
Listen up and listen well. I’m mostly concerned about optics and optics often determines elections. You guys get so weighted down on context. I’m trying to reach your brain cells to suggest that winning is more important then minutiae. Capici?
Here we have an exquisite example of talking down to your audience, and missing the opportunity to persuade others to your viewpoint. What wins more elections than optics? Truth. In the end, truth always wins. Optics founded on lies cannot stand scrutiny of a close look (pun intended). Can't agree with you, Bill, either in content or in tone. Tone especially here, where the fundamental idea is to equip ourselves with facts.
Also… another afterthought, we should be trying to win over traditional republicans because many of them can’t stand Trump. But we won’t get there if we don’t understand what perhaps the majority or almost majority wants; which is border security.
Bill, but if we put the numbers of immigrants in perspective, we would realize that it is a totally manageable problem that simply needs adequate funding of a system to handle it. It is is not a crisis; America is not being overrun. Then you talk about the fact that bills to provide such a system have been thwarted, and ask people who thwarted it. Orderly management of the immigration system is an idea that supports traditional Republican values. IOW, we can totally support the best of traditional Republican values, combat the hysteria about immigration, and urge people to support candidates who are for orderly border control all at the same time. it sounds to me like you have bought into the crisis mentality instead of management mode. And, if you look at the programs being implemented in South America and Africa, long term easing of the causes of immigration is also being worked on.
Maybe but this isn’t my main point. I want us to win massively if possible and I’m cognoscent of dirty tricks. We are now living in the era of AI so put that into the mix.
Ken, Btw, Truth is a tentative concept.
And also, I’m a satirist and I seek to poke fun I’m not a serious journalist.
Hold the phone. I’m not here to think I’m going to convince anyone to change their minds. People are too hard wired. But that won’t stop me from tapping away like everyone else including you.
Cecile’s long post was responding to Schmeeckle, not to you, Bill. Then she explained that people like Schmeeckle don’t have all the facts.
No such thing as an "Illegal alien".
"It's no fun being an illegal alien."
https://youtu.be/aqQv3qef21A?si=l7G6Croz4uB_UImp
"I'm an alien, I'm a legal alien"
https://youtu.be/d27gTrPPAyk?si=Ayhy0Dcd1unqKjeH
I detest that term and completely agree with you.
Cecile: I understand what you say and you are correct. When some of us say the border is broken, we really mean that the laws need to be amended because as they are now written, they (immigration laws) are being abused, arguably. We need to create more stringent laws. In my opinion, the same goes for parts of the 14th amendment which will never happen. We no longer need the birthright portion. It was enacted to prevent Afrocentric former enslaved from being returned to Africa. This is no longer an issue. But the border is being exploited by those the world over. And besides, you must not forget this last point, we on the democratic side will lose many votes if we don’t show backbone and respond appropriately.
Which laws Bill must be amended, abolish asylum? Chisel out the motto on the Statue of Liberty or re-write it: "Don't gives your poor or sick.Add "No Irish please. Absolutely no refugees from the Third Reich." Yikes -- send them back on the boat they rode in on.
How does one amend any law Mr. Speaker? Mr Speaker, Mr. Speaker -- does anyone know where the Dude is?
Wh are you getting bent out of shape for nothing? I simply want to win an election. I’m less concerned about the disruptions this out of control migration is having. You don’t want to believe it and that’s your prerogative. The poll numbers are not looking very good in spite of a candidate who normally would be laughed off. I’m suggesting for better explanation, a Madison Avenue kind of approach. We must win his election and you just don’t understand.
And btw, the Statute of Liberty was a gift from another country. Don’t get teary eyed over it.
Yes. It came from France as a gift. June 17, 1885
After the Statue was presented to Levi P Morton, the U.S. minister to France, on July 4, 1884 in Paris, it was disassembled and shipped to the United States aboard the French Navy ship, Isère. The Statue arrived in New York Harbor on June 17, 1885, and was met with great fanfare.
It is not as widely known, but America reciprocated by giving the French a smaller ,otherwise identical Statue: Bartholdi's original model -- on a smaller scale -- is in the Jardins de Luxembourg. A smaller reproduction of the statue sits on the Pont de Grenelle, more or less in the middle of the Seine, and visible from the Tour Eiffel. She was a thank-you gift to the French people from the US.Mar 18, 2008
True. Saw it in 1972 along with the major attractions in Paris. The fire that destroyed part of Notre Dame was painful to see.
Yep. I'm not even religious, but I cried. There are so many buildings like that and they represent so much history. I was there with my students, long before it burned. It was so sad.
Wow, you are definitely on a roll Cecille. I have to learn how to put the correct little mark above your "e". : )
Because I used to teach French, I figured out how to manipulate those characters in French and Spanish.
Of course, they have changed the program since then and I can no longer print them as I go. However, if I start typing in French in the Word program, before too long, I see appear at the bottom of the page an indication that it recognizes that I'm typing in French. It then makes the corrections, which is pretty handy. I used to use the Control and/or shift plus [ ' or` or^ or and ,] to get the necessary accents.
Working-class Mexican-Americans and even Blacks (to some extent) are taking a look at Trump because the perception of Biden being soft on illegal immigration goes hand in hand with their concerns about job security.
I don't think this can be reversed with Biden as a candidate, because hatred for Trump's "build a wall" approach has been such a part of Biden's message.
Proposed solution: Get Biden to go along with the thought of a brokered convention.
I agree with the Madison Avenue approach. The facts won’t penetrate the brains of the MAGA crowd but they might be swayed by a campaign of perception. Perhaps subliminal advertising would work to counteract their brainwashing. I’m serious about this, especially after seeing the “interviews” of some Trump supporters. They have bought the BS completely and are quite ridiculous in their beliefs.
I was once a political insider locally and I understand how politicians think. And some of it includes what will sell to the different segments of the community. We are becoming numb to what is really going on. We don’t quite understand that this is the real challenge and if we lose ou chance, democracy falls as we have known it. So I keep hammering away that I’m sorry, the hundreds of thousands of peasants wanting in all at once will need to wait because saving my country is more important than them walking a thousand miles north.
Oh and another point. John Schmeekle consider him a blessing. He is teaching you something don’t ignore it. By his own myopic views, you want to read his screeds and learn from it. And he is no troll. He is just having a little fun making many of you scream. John, I understand you little rascal. John believe what he writes but he sometimes chooses to read stuff not well written but that it agrees with his view points. He doesn’t want to expand his mind. Oki dokie?
Not to mention, Bill, the urgent need for more agents and judges (or administrators?) to process the prodigious and growing backlog of cases!
Ah, if only it were a plank to Walk... tick tock
Thank you Cecile .. you’ve cleared a good bit of my misinformation and given me new factual sources which I’ve avoided searching in past as it’s been my head-in-the-sand (“I’m still working, I don’t have time to examine these statements” … etc)
You’ve made my day! Thank you!
Aliens do drive down the cost of labor. And companies have been importing foreign laborers for 200 years.
For example, did you know that as late as 1980, meat packers were black, and they earned decent middle class wages, thanks to decades of organizing? But that by that decade's end, they were immigrants, toiling under atrocious conditions for barely more than minimum wage? And that the same thing happened to most of the rest of unskilled work beginning around the same time?
See: Back of the Hiring Line: A 200 Year history of Immigration Surges, Employer Bias, and Depression of Black Wealth, by Roy Beck. ($14 on Amazon).
Beck gives the lie to the notion that there are jobs American workers won't do. As part of his research, he interviewed poultry workers recently laid off, in favor of immigrants. He asked the laid off workers if they'd take their jobs back if offered. No, they told him, becuase the wages were now so low that they'd have to sleep in their cars or live many to a house.
By the way, just so you know, I'm a lifelong Democrat, from a Democratic family. My great uncle, Philip Hornbein, a labor lawyer on labor's side, was de facto head of the Colorado Democratic Party for the first half of the last century, and he gave the speech at the '32 convention recommending an end to prohibition. Biden is the best president of my lifetime, which began in the first summer of the Eisenhower ADministration.
Don’t feed the troll.
Cecile Stelzer-Johnson, you actually make my point. "Nobody" will work minimum-wage jobs as long as Biden ensures a continuing supply of "nobodies" (illegal aliens). Cut off the supply of illegals, and companies will have to pay a living wage for unskilled labor.
"Corporate Joe" Biden comes from tiny corporatist Delaware, a suburb of Wall Street, where the "grass roots" voters work in the corporate headquarters buildings that Delaware is famous for.