Cecile: no need to preach. We know the guy is false, is a demon that must not be allowed back into the White House. Which is only one reason why Biden must show spine dealing with border restrictions until Congress finally acts. But we know they don’t want to act in order to use it in November. Which is double why Biden must use executive hand.
Cecile: no need to preach. We know the guy is false, is a demon that must not be allowed back into the White House. Which is only one reason why Biden must show spine dealing with border restrictions until Congress finally acts. But we know they don’t want to act in order to use it in November. Which is double why Biden must use executive hand.
Cecile's comment was good & very informative. It's important that, before making public statements, we have all the facts. Those who rant & make false statements about immigrants often don't have all the facts.
Thank you Cecille. I submit just some of the facts.
As a 4th generation Californian, I know that 'we' all benefit by the labor of immigrants going back to pre-statehood times. Many laborers were from New Mexico not "illegals".
Going back further. the Spanish abused First People's labor building "Missions" along the "King's Highway" which we still call,"El Camino Real" which literally goes all the way up to San Francisco, CA.
Going back real far, you have the Italian "Franciscans" led by Giovanni di Pietro di Beradonna. Yes, that's Saint [San] Francis [co].
I have been to Assisi sitting above the Umbrian Valley & walked the neighborhoods at night, 'buena sera'.
Go to go. I have family visitors this Sunday & have to go to the Grocery Department at Safeway to take advantage of the Border Issue.
If you are suggesting that I don’t have all the facts, perhaps I don’t. What I do know is that as a divisive issue and this certainly ranks as one, we lose elections if we don’t measure up. I understand that every four years, the political mantra is that it’s the most important one ever. Well, this time it’s true. And frankly, and I understand the need for simply political strategy, if we get clobbered by the former republicans now known as MAGA Party, there will not be a recognizable democracy remaining. So if you are steadfast to have millions weighting down every city in the nation (well maybe not every city but I think you get the message,) be my guest. I have enough asset base to leave and immigrate to Europe which I have a better affinity for after once living there for a time, I’ll say adios amigos. Shoot, I may want to leave anyway.
Bill Katz, if we are going to speak of "millions" let's put that in perspective: Legal immigration to the US is .009% of the US population each year--that's a 1,000th of the US population. Attempted illegal migration is 0.03% of the US population. It's also less than the US birth rate. So, it's a matter of perspective.
Listen up and listen well. I’m mostly concerned about optics and optics often determines elections. You guys get so weighted down on context. I’m trying to reach your brain cells to suggest that winning is more important then minutiae. Capici?
Here we have an exquisite example of talking down to your audience, and missing the opportunity to persuade others to your viewpoint. What wins more elections than optics? Truth. In the end, truth always wins. Optics founded on lies cannot stand scrutiny of a close look (pun intended). Can't agree with you, Bill, either in content or in tone. Tone especially here, where the fundamental idea is to equip ourselves with facts.
Also… another afterthought, we should be trying to win over traditional republicans because many of them can’t stand Trump. But we won’t get there if we don’t understand what perhaps the majority or almost majority wants; which is border security.
Bill, but if we put the numbers of immigrants in perspective, we would realize that it is a totally manageable problem that simply needs adequate funding of a system to handle it. It is is not a crisis; America is not being overrun. Then you talk about the fact that bills to provide such a system have been thwarted, and ask people who thwarted it. Orderly management of the immigration system is an idea that supports traditional Republican values. IOW, we can totally support the best of traditional Republican values, combat the hysteria about immigration, and urge people to support candidates who are for orderly border control all at the same time. it sounds to me like you have bought into the crisis mentality instead of management mode. And, if you look at the programs being implemented in South America and Africa, long term easing of the causes of immigration is also being worked on.
Maybe but this isn’t my main point. I want us to win massively if possible and I’m cognoscent of dirty tricks. We are now living in the era of AI so put that into the mix.
Hold the phone. I’m not here to think I’m going to convince anyone to change their minds. People are too hard wired. But that won’t stop me from tapping away like everyone else including you.
Cecile: no need to preach. We know the guy is false, is a demon that must not be allowed back into the White House. Which is only one reason why Biden must show spine dealing with border restrictions until Congress finally acts. But we know they don’t want to act in order to use it in November. Which is double why Biden must use executive hand.
Cecile's comment was good & very informative. It's important that, before making public statements, we have all the facts. Those who rant & make false statements about immigrants often don't have all the facts.
Thank you Cecille. I submit just some of the facts.
As a 4th generation Californian, I know that 'we' all benefit by the labor of immigrants going back to pre-statehood times. Many laborers were from New Mexico not "illegals".
Going back further. the Spanish abused First People's labor building "Missions" along the "King's Highway" which we still call,"El Camino Real" which literally goes all the way up to San Francisco, CA.
Going back real far, you have the Italian "Franciscans" led by Giovanni di Pietro di Beradonna. Yes, that's Saint [San] Francis [co].
I have been to Assisi sitting above the Umbrian Valley & walked the neighborhoods at night, 'buena sera'.
Go to go. I have family visitors this Sunday & have to go to the Grocery Department at Safeway to take advantage of the Border Issue.
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If you are suggesting that I don’t have all the facts, perhaps I don’t. What I do know is that as a divisive issue and this certainly ranks as one, we lose elections if we don’t measure up. I understand that every four years, the political mantra is that it’s the most important one ever. Well, this time it’s true. And frankly, and I understand the need for simply political strategy, if we get clobbered by the former republicans now known as MAGA Party, there will not be a recognizable democracy remaining. So if you are steadfast to have millions weighting down every city in the nation (well maybe not every city but I think you get the message,) be my guest. I have enough asset base to leave and immigrate to Europe which I have a better affinity for after once living there for a time, I’ll say adios amigos. Shoot, I may want to leave anyway.
Bill Katz, if we are going to speak of "millions" let's put that in perspective: Legal immigration to the US is .009% of the US population each year--that's a 1,000th of the US population. Attempted illegal migration is 0.03% of the US population. It's also less than the US birth rate. So, it's a matter of perspective.
Listen up and listen well. I’m mostly concerned about optics and optics often determines elections. You guys get so weighted down on context. I’m trying to reach your brain cells to suggest that winning is more important then minutiae. Capici?
Here we have an exquisite example of talking down to your audience, and missing the opportunity to persuade others to your viewpoint. What wins more elections than optics? Truth. In the end, truth always wins. Optics founded on lies cannot stand scrutiny of a close look (pun intended). Can't agree with you, Bill, either in content or in tone. Tone especially here, where the fundamental idea is to equip ourselves with facts.
Also… another afterthought, we should be trying to win over traditional republicans because many of them can’t stand Trump. But we won’t get there if we don’t understand what perhaps the majority or almost majority wants; which is border security.
Bill, but if we put the numbers of immigrants in perspective, we would realize that it is a totally manageable problem that simply needs adequate funding of a system to handle it. It is is not a crisis; America is not being overrun. Then you talk about the fact that bills to provide such a system have been thwarted, and ask people who thwarted it. Orderly management of the immigration system is an idea that supports traditional Republican values. IOW, we can totally support the best of traditional Republican values, combat the hysteria about immigration, and urge people to support candidates who are for orderly border control all at the same time. it sounds to me like you have bought into the crisis mentality instead of management mode. And, if you look at the programs being implemented in South America and Africa, long term easing of the causes of immigration is also being worked on.
Maybe but this isn’t my main point. I want us to win massively if possible and I’m cognoscent of dirty tricks. We are now living in the era of AI so put that into the mix.
Ken, Btw, Truth is a tentative concept.
And also, I’m a satirist and I seek to poke fun I’m not a serious journalist.
Hold the phone. I’m not here to think I’m going to convince anyone to change their minds. People are too hard wired. But that won’t stop me from tapping away like everyone else including you.
Cecile’s long post was responding to Schmeeckle, not to you, Bill. Then she explained that people like Schmeeckle don’t have all the facts.