I will be watching those excellent reporters on YouTube and sharing widely. 💙💙Lawrence O’Donnell💙💙Glenn Kirschner 💙💙Joy Reid💙💙Rachel Maddow💙💙 but FIRST this excellent 👍🏻⭐️🇺🇸💪🏻Heather Letter. 😍🏆🇺🇸⭐️
Yes! Yes! Yes, Gigi! I saw most of what Professor Richardson recounted. It was an electrifying hearing for this Dem. Schiff, Swalwell, the lady rep from MI who made Hur read (eat) his own words, and several others skewered the majority.
Don't forget Democracy Docket/Marc Elias, who is a lawyer working day and night to protect and gain voters' rights. He gives a daily report of progress and losses in that arena.
I trust those people too, GiGi, but to move Haley voters et. al. over to Biden, we're better off citing less partisan media. I recommend The Bulwark podcasts on YouTube. The casters are all conservative never trumpers.
I also found, from the get-go, that the language Hur used to describe what he witnessed about Biden's memory, etc...was so far from the formal/technical legalese generally used in situations like this. It seemed generally very awkward...and out of place...
Grrrrr . Corporate America has bought out the main stream media and are seeking to pad their bottom line instead of reporting the “news.” Edward R Murrow, Eric Sevareid & Walter Cronkite must be spinning in their graves!
That is the truth. The A No. 1 way they pad their bottom line is to run hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign advertising each year, all those fact-free 30-second commercials we all reach instantly for the mute button to silnce. They factor it into their budgets, so they love a good horse race. And I'm sure the ad messages get through to the low-information voters.
Ouch! With MSNBC covering the hearing, it’s terrible to know. As I pay no attention to the former channels of Huntley-Brinkley and Cronkite, was not aware of how far they’ve fallen.
Unless you're partisan, about everyone who just watches MSM. This so called balanced reporting, ie "not taking sides", is interesting, considered they did away with "fair reporting" many years ago. I think that was when you were supposed to report based on factual evidence.
*a 2022 survey found that the majority of Gen Z, millennials, and Gen X did not have a cable subscription. The main reason for cutting the cord was price, with over a third of adults saying that cable was simply too expensive
*Reported consumption levels were higher amongst males and those aged 55 years or older. Consumption of local, state, or territory news was the highest of the three types of news, particularly amongst those aged 55 years or older.
*A 2021 survey showed that 56 percent of the adults in the United States stated they receive TV via cable or satellite. The adults aged between 18 and 29 years old were the group which presented the lowest share (34 percent), while the adults aged 65 years old or more had the highest percentage (81 percent).
Thank you for this. As I suspected. The younger generations get their news from sources other than cable tv. We older folks are supporting the cable companies, which makes me wonder what will happen when we die off.
same way as the print media? Social media, streaming, internet sites take over totally? Unless cable can reinvent itself economically? I have both internet and a heavily discounted cable package, sail on from 2 yr or so deal, to deal. They mainly keep re-offering a variant. Is almost as if the real price is the "sale" price, how much do consumers chase "deals" in supermarkets etc? a LOT I figure. I watch a lot of MSNBC via internet cutaways, no ads, core material eg of the latest Rachel Maddow show or whatever. I also get Washington Post, Reuters via internet editions.
One of mine, Gen x, has cable and does follow the news, cable or otherwise; the other, a millenial, cut cable because of cost? and gets her news via social media, or internet news sites - her big interest in environmental, she's Canadian, and only keeps a half-eye on American federal - enough to know Trump and Maga are the opposite of everything cultural and political she believes in. Ditto with my gen-xer. We all cringe.
To boot it left Biden mis remembering the date of his son's death, while Heather says that was false. Morning Joe did a credible job this morning I thought.
Between NPR, PBS, AI, a few other sources and several pundits who's assessments are supported by facts, I feel I have a fairly good idea of what's going on. I also constantly question my conclusions as well as those of those I trust.
I'm not exactly sure what "main-stream news media" is. Is it that entertainment nonsense that ABC, NBC and CBS present on their morning and nightly news broadcasts? Sometimes I hear Fox and NewsMax included in the mix. But they're not considered main-stream, are they?
I also trust my girlfriend . She is almost always right! ;-)
In this instance, Craig, most outlets showed the televised hearing, so anyone who watched on any news source could come to his own conclusions regardless of pundits' opinions.
More than "Oh God, May 30th" I found Hur's remark that Biden appeared to him to have a photographic memory was far more revealing to me. The same man who said that reported that Biden's memory "has significant limitations." He also outright lied that Biden couldn't remember when Beau died.
That says so much about Hur (and the gop) as well as the news outlets that chose to focus on Biden's age and mental abilities again.
We really are at war. I'm 69 and I've never seen anything quite like this. And I am aware of some of the shenanigans going back to Nixon, Reagan and others.
Agreed! We didn't like Nixon. A lot of people knew he was corrupt, but he was a human being. I never heard that called into question. But those who have not fallen under trump's strange spell see a strange, almost unearthly aberration. In a real sense, a monster. Someone who defies all moral and ethical standards. Did people see Hitler as a psychologically distorted freak before the war ended and psychologists studied him? I wonder. But trump is one singularly messed up dude and one of the most dangerous people on earth. Still blows my mind to contemplate.
Smart move to trust your girlfriend - from the "all politics is local" perspective.
With so many getting their news online these days, I agree that the meaning of "main-stream news media" has gotten a bit fuzzy. I'm a pretty loyal MSNBC and PBS and a few others viewer.
I also check in with the networks, Fox and others of that ilk occasionally to hear what they are putting out there. {I usually have to do it when my husband is out of the room, or he makes a quick exit.} Back in the Oliver North and Rush Limbaugh days I became a "know your enemy" believer. It gives you some insight into to their strategies and ways of thinking and, as we've learned with Trump, they'll often say the quiet part right out loud.
I don't know that I'd characterize the enemies' mental activity as thinking, Angela. Their strategy appears to be to level damaging lies about Biden's character and effectiveness while stoking the fears, grievances, and bigotry of their fans. It works, but I can't say that we're describing the same thing when we say, "I think [fill in the blank]..."
I look at it as taking one for the team and normally do it with some ginger beer in hand for the occasional queasiness. Just be sure to keep something soft to throw close by to protect your TV or computer screen.
I do struggle with hearing Trump's voice and delivery and when I've reached my limit will to press the mute button. Often, they are so ridiculously transparent that they're even good for a laugh or at least an appropriate cleansing exclamation. It can be an energizing reminder of why we all need to be pushing back from the other side.
Midas Touch Network. David Packman show. The Bullwark. Beau of the Fifth Column (for great unpacking of single issues), and C-Span is really good if you just want unfiltered video of goings on in congress.
There are some political youtube channels that cover this stuff far better than the mainstream media. It's sad.
I will be watching those excellent reporters on YouTube and sharing widely. 💙💙Lawrence O’Donnell💙💙Glenn Kirschner 💙💙Joy Reid💙💙Rachel Maddow💙💙 but FIRST this excellent 👍🏻⭐️🇺🇸💪🏻Heather Letter. 😍🏆🇺🇸⭐️
Add Meidas Touch Network to the list, including Legal AF. And the new Inside with Jen Psaki. 🙂
Yes! Yes! Yes, Gigi! I saw most of what Professor Richardson recounted. It was an electrifying hearing for this Dem. Schiff, Swalwell, the lady rep from MI who made Hur read (eat) his own words, and several others skewered the majority.
Don't forget Democracy Docket/Marc Elias, who is a lawyer working day and night to protect and gain voters' rights. He gives a daily report of progress and losses in that arena.
I trust those people too, GiGi, but to move Haley voters et. al. over to Biden, we're better off citing less partisan media. I recommend The Bulwark podcasts on YouTube. The casters are all conservative never trumpers.
Thanks everyone for your suggestions. It’s great to know they are reliable sources.
Mark Saleski - "There are some political youtube channels that cover this stuff far better than the mainstream media."
Robert Hubbell, also, did an excellent job of describing the issue.
𝐵𝑎𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑜𝑛 𝐵𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛’𝑠 𝑑𝑒𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑡𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑜𝑛𝑦, 𝑠𝑝𝑒𝑐𝑖𝑎𝑙 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑙 𝐻𝑢𝑟 𝑤𝑟𝑜𝑡𝑒 𝑎 𝑠𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑚𝑒𝑑 𝐽𝑜𝑒 𝐵𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛 𝑤𝑎𝑠 “𝑎𝑛 𝑒𝑙𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑙𝑦 𝑚𝑎𝑛 𝑤𝑖𝑡ℎ 𝑎 𝑝𝑜𝑜𝑟 𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑦.” 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑒𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝐻𝑢𝑟’𝑠 𝑠𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑤𝑎𝑠 𝐵𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛’𝑠 𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑔𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑏𝑖𝑙𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝐵𝑒𝑎𝑢’𝑠 𝑑𝑒𝑎𝑡ℎ.
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑠𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑝𝑡 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑤𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝐻𝑢𝑟’𝑠 𝑐𝑙𝑎𝑖𝑚𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑠.
https://roberthubbell.substack.com/p/made-for-tv-special-counsel-report?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=271358&post_id=142568893&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=3zw8i&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email
Despicable is the just word. That particular one was below the belt.
I also found, from the get-go, that the language Hur used to describe what he witnessed about Biden's memory, etc...was so far from the formal/technical legalese generally used in situations like this. It seemed generally very awkward...and out of place...
I'm guessing he too (Hur) is somehow bullied or threatened by Trump...He should be ashamed of himself...
"Oh, God, May 30th."
Thank you
Just watched last night's NBC News. They simply made it look like a "he said she said" story.
Grrrrr . Corporate America has bought out the main stream media and are seeking to pad their bottom line instead of reporting the “news.” Edward R Murrow, Eric Sevareid & Walter Cronkite must be spinning in their graves!
That is the truth. The A No. 1 way they pad their bottom line is to run hundreds of millions of dollars in campaign advertising each year, all those fact-free 30-second commercials we all reach instantly for the mute button to silnce. They factor it into their budgets, so they love a good horse race. And I'm sure the ad messages get through to the low-information voters.
Ouch! With MSNBC covering the hearing, it’s terrible to know. As I pay no attention to the former channels of Huntley-Brinkley and Cronkite, was not aware of how far they’ve fallen.
Watch C-Span some time. Very enlightening!
Marlene, C-Span is my go-to channel.
I do occasionally. It’s always interesting. But the important hearings are usually on MSNBC.
How many people actually get their news from these kinds of sources?
Unless you're partisan, about everyone who just watches MSM. This so called balanced reporting, ie "not taking sides", is interesting, considered they did away with "fair reporting" many years ago. I think that was when you were supposed to report based on factual evidence.
Yes. But I'm not sure that Gen-xers or Gen-Zers actually watch cable or network news anymore ,if they ever did.
Some clips from a google search:
*a 2022 survey found that the majority of Gen Z, millennials, and Gen X did not have a cable subscription. The main reason for cutting the cord was price, with over a third of adults saying that cable was simply too expensive
*Reported consumption levels were higher amongst males and those aged 55 years or older. Consumption of local, state, or territory news was the highest of the three types of news, particularly amongst those aged 55 years or older.
*A 2021 survey showed that 56 percent of the adults in the United States stated they receive TV via cable or satellite. The adults aged between 18 and 29 years old were the group which presented the lowest share (34 percent), while the adults aged 65 years old or more had the highest percentage (81 percent).
Thank you for this. As I suspected. The younger generations get their news from sources other than cable tv. We older folks are supporting the cable companies, which makes me wonder what will happen when we die off.
same way as the print media? Social media, streaming, internet sites take over totally? Unless cable can reinvent itself economically? I have both internet and a heavily discounted cable package, sail on from 2 yr or so deal, to deal. They mainly keep re-offering a variant. Is almost as if the real price is the "sale" price, how much do consumers chase "deals" in supermarkets etc? a LOT I figure. I watch a lot of MSNBC via internet cutaways, no ads, core material eg of the latest Rachel Maddow show or whatever. I also get Washington Post, Reuters via internet editions.
My kids got rid of cable and watch very little news.
One of mine, Gen x, has cable and does follow the news, cable or otherwise; the other, a millenial, cut cable because of cost? and gets her news via social media, or internet news sites - her big interest in environmental, she's Canadian, and only keeps a half-eye on American federal - enough to know Trump and Maga are the opposite of everything cultural and political she believes in. Ditto with my gen-xer. We all cringe.
I've been calling MSM "lamestreet media" for most of 20 years.
Gah. Well, we know where they'll be when the lights go out.
To boot it left Biden mis remembering the date of his son's death, while Heather says that was false. Morning Joe did a credible job this morning I thought.
In the tape, you can hear the total angst in Biden's voice when he replies, "Oh, God, May 30th."
😢
Between NPR, PBS, AI, a few other sources and several pundits who's assessments are supported by facts, I feel I have a fairly good idea of what's going on. I also constantly question my conclusions as well as those of those I trust.
I'm not exactly sure what "main-stream news media" is. Is it that entertainment nonsense that ABC, NBC and CBS present on their morning and nightly news broadcasts? Sometimes I hear Fox and NewsMax included in the mix. But they're not considered main-stream, are they?
I also trust my girlfriend . She is almost always right! ;-)
In this instance, Craig, most outlets showed the televised hearing, so anyone who watched on any news source could come to his own conclusions regardless of pundits' opinions.
More than "Oh God, May 30th" I found Hur's remark that Biden appeared to him to have a photographic memory was far more revealing to me. The same man who said that reported that Biden's memory "has significant limitations." He also outright lied that Biden couldn't remember when Beau died.
That says so much about Hur (and the gop) as well as the news outlets that chose to focus on Biden's age and mental abilities again.
We really are at war. I'm 69 and I've never seen anything quite like this. And I am aware of some of the shenanigans going back to Nixon, Reagan and others.
The difference being that President Nixon had a tragic flaw (or two) but Trump IS a tragic flaw.
Agreed! We didn't like Nixon. A lot of people knew he was corrupt, but he was a human being. I never heard that called into question. But those who have not fallen under trump's strange spell see a strange, almost unearthly aberration. In a real sense, a monster. Someone who defies all moral and ethical standards. Did people see Hitler as a psychologically distorted freak before the war ended and psychologists studied him? I wonder. But trump is one singularly messed up dude and one of the most dangerous people on earth. Still blows my mind to contemplate.
My private nick-name for Mr Hur, Lauren and Craig, is Judas Been Whore. Could not resist with Ben Hur being on the tube recently.
Smart move to trust your girlfriend - from the "all politics is local" perspective.
With so many getting their news online these days, I agree that the meaning of "main-stream news media" has gotten a bit fuzzy. I'm a pretty loyal MSNBC and PBS and a few others viewer.
I also check in with the networks, Fox and others of that ilk occasionally to hear what they are putting out there. {I usually have to do it when my husband is out of the room, or he makes a quick exit.} Back in the Oliver North and Rush Limbaugh days I became a "know your enemy" believer. It gives you some insight into to their strategies and ways of thinking and, as we've learned with Trump, they'll often say the quiet part right out loud.
I don't know that I'd characterize the enemies' mental activity as thinking, Angela. Their strategy appears to be to level damaging lies about Biden's character and effectiveness while stoking the fears, grievances, and bigotry of their fans. It works, but I can't say that we're describing the same thing when we say, "I think [fill in the blank]..."
Better you than me, Angela! I cannot stomach those channels, even for a minute.
I look at it as taking one for the team and normally do it with some ginger beer in hand for the occasional queasiness. Just be sure to keep something soft to throw close by to protect your TV or computer screen.
I do struggle with hearing Trump's voice and delivery and when I've reached my limit will to press the mute button. Often, they are so ridiculously transparent that they're even good for a laugh or at least an appropriate cleansing exclamation. It can be an energizing reminder of why we all need to be pushing back from the other side.
I failed to mention several others I trust, but you all named them. And some of you have clued me in to many clear minded pundits and thank you!
Brian Tyler Cohen comes to mind!
Yup. I watch youtube for music, trailers and politics. And basta.
"Morning Joe' had it hosted by Mika.
What YT channels? I don’t have access to TV anymore and need alternative ways to follow news. Thanks.
Midas Touch Network. David Packman show. The Bullwark. Beau of the Fifth Column (for great unpacking of single issues), and C-Span is really good if you just want unfiltered video of goings on in congress.
Thanks!