Certainly "a;alternate facts" have been part of human societies for ages. but pre-Reagan, engaged, investigative reporting and what Joseph Welch called "decency" most kept them from overwhelming society. Joe McCarthy was a popular liar, and the Vietnam War was built on lies, but both were taken down eventually, as was Nixon. Racist politicians told whoppers, and a lot of creepy stuff was still going on, but it did seem that a greater portion of the public and even politicians were acting in good faith. What changed? Follow the money.
I suggest the population explosion (the world population has more than doubled from approximately 3.2 billion in 1963 to around 7.9 billion in 2023, driven by improvements in healthcare, living conditions, and other factors influencing birth and death rates globally (Per ChatGPT).
I suggest this has triggered deep unconscious survival patterns where inhumane actions driven by these patterns manifest. We then dance around trying to explain at a more superficial conscious level what the heck is going on.
Where action isnтАЩt inhibited by language development the outcome of over population is handled directly like for example (again per ChatGPT):
Yes, some mammals, including hamsters, may exhibit behaviors such as cannibalism or infanticide when overcrowded or under stressful conditions. HereтАЩs an overview:
1. **Hamsters:** In captivity, hamsters may eat their young if they feel threatened, stressed, or if they perceive a lack of resources (such as space or food). This behavior is often a survival mechanism where the mother may sacrifice some offspring to ensure the survival of the rest or to conserve resources for herself.
2. **Other Mammals:** Other mammals, such as rodents and certain species of carnivores, may also engage in infanticide or cannibalism under similar circumstances. This behavior can occur in response to environmental stressors, competition for resources, or when conditions are not conducive for raising offspring.
3. **Natural Selection:** From an evolutionary perspective, these behaviors may increase the chances of survival for the parent and potentially the remaining offspring by ensuring that resources are concentrated on those that are most likely to survive.
4. **Management in Captivity:** In captive settings, such as in zoos or research facilities, overcrowding and stress can exacerbate these behaviors. Careful management of housing conditions, social dynamics, and environmental enrichment is essential to minimize stress and reduce the likelihood of cannibalism or infanticide.
In summary, while not all mammals exhibit cannibalism or infanticide, some, including hamsters, may do so under certain stressful conditions. These behaviors are complex and often influenced by a combination of genetic, environmental, and social factors.
We are animals. More specifically, we are mammals.
Oh, yes, we have a bigger brain and are capable of "higher" thoughts; but we also retain that reptilian brain that, in times of stress can overwhelm any higher brain functioning.
Yes, and even if we aren't stressed we can see much animal behavior still functioning in the human being. For example, flight or fight reactions when there may be no real danger or the urge to copulate when there is no need and perhaps no desisre for more offspring are two "biggies," imo. These are basic instincts which stem from our biological anscestors and which indicate humans don't yet apply their reason to many of their actions.
Gina, I suggest when we are stressed (what at some level we are almost all the time) our instincts are whatтАЩs actually running the show and weтАЩre damn good at going through the motions of pretending that тАЬWeтАЭ are or тАЬIтАЭ am in charge. Little consideration or thought is focused on exactly what that We or I might actually be.
This lack of clarity and the conflict that it gives rise to is ago old.
The тАЬWhoтАЭ you point to in your question is the subject IтАЩm asking you to consider rather than looking for identities to discover the motives for. While we can speculate about what these motives might be, only the individuals can say what their motives are if they can even be clear about them for themselves.
I donтАЩt think of population growth as a cause of behavior. I do think the total environment which includes physical crowding plays a part in the conscious and unconscious activities that give rise to our experience which we then are in a dance with.
Interesting. There are certainly too many of us chasing too few resources while things are made worse by climate change which is a factor in many trying to immigrant as well as violence.
Good point: ┬┐why do we hear so little about over-population? I think it drives global warming and other challenges. We may be living through a grim vindication of Robert Malthus and the Club of Rome.
Janan: True, except you and I arenтАЩt going to engage at a depth that meaningful and makes a difference here deep in the comment section of someone elseтАЩs thread so I donтАЩt know the intent of your reply beyond what lands for me as an attempt to discredit, disempower, dismiss, or diminish my contribution.
So if you are threatening by my comment IтАЩd ask you to look and see what got threatened that you felt the need to push back with nice form of тАЬyeah, BUTтАжтАЭ
IтАЩd say that you are passionately committed to something and that that commitment has been thwarted. This being thwarted shows itself in passive aggressive or what I like to call more directly, covert hostility.
I suggest you get unhooked or in stuck and recover your commitment to whatever worthy thing you are committed to like making a difference somewhere somehow in this crazy world we share.
Thank you, Bern. I do not agree with much of what you said. Nevertheless, you expressed your opinion even-handedly. Janan was out of bounds; maybe hamsters know something we do not. ЁЯШЙ
Hi Ned, from comments I see of yours and this one, I see you are working on getting complete in your experience and expression of love and relationship and that is really great. Good for you!
The care and generosity you are contributing to life and in particular to me here is really appreciated.
I am not looking for your approval or any one else approval. The withholding or doling out of agreement or approval is like a currency substitution for love we think we have control over. As was said in The Prophet, you donтАЩt control the course of love. It controls your course.
You see, if you look around youтАЩll see that itтАЩs really clear that the need for approval rules most peopleтАЩs live. ItтАЩs an unconscious principle almost every infant has to form because as an infant our survival is 100% up to our parents and getting them to support us is something we have deep survival patterns around which most people carry through life because they never completed that fundamental formative relationship with their parents.
The break in that fundamental relationship occurred when we experienced them withdrawing their support which at some point everyone experiences.
Still, even with that break in the experience of the absolute love of our parents, the foundation of all and I do mean ALL relationships is love. What this means is that everyone loves everyone absolutely and the relationship, all relationships are already completely complete.
What we are together dramatizing are the blocks and barriers to the experience and expression of that absolute love. Fun, no? Crazy, yes! ЁЯШН
Ya know, when you get who you really are you get weird and the more you know yourself the weirder you get. This is where the fallacy of judging a book by its cover plays. Many have тАЬbe dignifiedтАЭ as their basic life principle. While thereтАЩs nothing wrong with being dignified if it is authentic, for most it is going through the motions.
Anyway, this is already deeply into TL;DR territory.
Back in the time when alternative facts was not a thing. I long for it with every breath
Certainly "a;alternate facts" have been part of human societies for ages. but pre-Reagan, engaged, investigative reporting and what Joseph Welch called "decency" most kept them from overwhelming society. Joe McCarthy was a popular liar, and the Vietnam War was built on lies, but both were taken down eventually, as was Nixon. Racist politicians told whoppers, and a lot of creepy stuff was still going on, but it did seem that a greater portion of the public and even politicians were acting in good faith. What changed? Follow the money.
Money surely rules the fools today
And buys the brainwashing offered on Fox Fool TV.
Rupert has practically destroyed our country by entertaining us to death with Goebbels legacy
I suggest the population explosion (the world population has more than doubled from approximately 3.2 billion in 1963 to around 7.9 billion in 2023, driven by improvements in healthcare, living conditions, and other factors influencing birth and death rates globally (Per ChatGPT).
I suggest this has triggered deep unconscious survival patterns where inhumane actions driven by these patterns manifest. We then dance around trying to explain at a more superficial conscious level what the heck is going on.
Where action isnтАЩt inhibited by language development the outcome of over population is handled directly like for example (again per ChatGPT):
Yes, some mammals, including hamsters, may exhibit behaviors such as cannibalism or infanticide when overcrowded or under stressful conditions. HereтАЩs an overview:
1. **Hamsters:** In captivity, hamsters may eat their young if they feel threatened, stressed, or if they perceive a lack of resources (such as space or food). This behavior is often a survival mechanism where the mother may sacrifice some offspring to ensure the survival of the rest or to conserve resources for herself.
2. **Other Mammals:** Other mammals, such as rodents and certain species of carnivores, may also engage in infanticide or cannibalism under similar circumstances. This behavior can occur in response to environmental stressors, competition for resources, or when conditions are not conducive for raising offspring.
3. **Natural Selection:** From an evolutionary perspective, these behaviors may increase the chances of survival for the parent and potentially the remaining offspring by ensuring that resources are concentrated on those that are most likely to survive.
4. **Management in Captivity:** In captive settings, such as in zoos or research facilities, overcrowding and stress can exacerbate these behaviors. Careful management of housing conditions, social dynamics, and environmental enrichment is essential to minimize stress and reduce the likelihood of cannibalism or infanticide.
In summary, while not all mammals exhibit cannibalism or infanticide, some, including hamsters, may do so under certain stressful conditions. These behaviors are complex and often influenced by a combination of genetic, environmental, and social factors.
WeтАЩre not animals though. The vicious violence that people fighting for human rights have experienced is age old.
We should consider exactly who is committing the most violence and what their motivations are-I donтАЩt think itтАЩs population growth.
We are animals. More specifically, we are mammals.
Oh, yes, we have a bigger brain and are capable of "higher" thoughts; but we also retain that reptilian brain that, in times of stress can overwhelm any higher brain functioning.
Yes, and even if we aren't stressed we can see much animal behavior still functioning in the human being. For example, flight or fight reactions when there may be no real danger or the urge to copulate when there is no need and perhaps no desisre for more offspring are two "biggies," imo. These are basic instincts which stem from our biological anscestors and which indicate humans don't yet apply their reason to many of their actions.
Gina, I suggest when we are stressed (what at some level we are almost all the time) our instincts are whatтАЩs actually running the show and weтАЩre damn good at going through the motions of pretending that тАЬWeтАЭ are or тАЬIтАЭ am in charge. Little consideration or thought is focused on exactly what that We or I might actually be.
This lack of clarity and the conflict that it gives rise to is ago old.
The тАЬWhoтАЭ you point to in your question is the subject IтАЩm asking you to consider rather than looking for identities to discover the motives for. While we can speculate about what these motives might be, only the individuals can say what their motives are if they can even be clear about them for themselves.
I donтАЩt think of population growth as a cause of behavior. I do think the total environment which includes physical crowding plays a part in the conscious and unconscious activities that give rise to our experience which we then are in a dance with.
Interesting. There are certainly too many of us chasing too few resources while things are made worse by climate change which is a factor in many trying to immigrant as well as violence.
Good point: ┬┐why do we hear so little about over-population? I think it drives global warming and other challenges. We may be living through a grim vindication of Robert Malthus and the Club of Rome.
https://www.clubofrome.org/publication/the-limits-to-growth/
Bern: True, except human beings are a bit more complex & evolved than hamsters.
Janan: True, except you and I arenтАЩt going to engage at a depth that meaningful and makes a difference here deep in the comment section of someone elseтАЩs thread so I donтАЩt know the intent of your reply beyond what lands for me as an attempt to discredit, disempower, dismiss, or diminish my contribution.
So if you are threatening by my comment IтАЩd ask you to look and see what got threatened that you felt the need to push back with nice form of тАЬyeah, BUTтАжтАЭ
IтАЩd say that you are passionately committed to something and that that commitment has been thwarted. This being thwarted shows itself in passive aggressive or what I like to call more directly, covert hostility.
I suggest you get unhooked or in stuck and recover your commitment to whatever worthy thing you are committed to like making a difference somewhere somehow in this crazy world we share.
Thank you, Bern. I do not agree with much of what you said. Nevertheless, you expressed your opinion even-handedly. Janan was out of bounds; maybe hamsters know something we do not. ЁЯШЙ
Hi Ned, from comments I see of yours and this one, I see you are working on getting complete in your experience and expression of love and relationship and that is really great. Good for you!
The care and generosity you are contributing to life and in particular to me here is really appreciated.
I am not looking for your approval or any one else approval. The withholding or doling out of agreement or approval is like a currency substitution for love we think we have control over. As was said in The Prophet, you donтАЩt control the course of love. It controls your course.
You see, if you look around youтАЩll see that itтАЩs really clear that the need for approval rules most peopleтАЩs live. ItтАЩs an unconscious principle almost every infant has to form because as an infant our survival is 100% up to our parents and getting them to support us is something we have deep survival patterns around which most people carry through life because they never completed that fundamental formative relationship with their parents.
The break in that fundamental relationship occurred when we experienced them withdrawing their support which at some point everyone experiences.
Still, even with that break in the experience of the absolute love of our parents, the foundation of all and I do mean ALL relationships is love. What this means is that everyone loves everyone absolutely and the relationship, all relationships are already completely complete.
What we are together dramatizing are the blocks and barriers to the experience and expression of that absolute love. Fun, no? Crazy, yes! ЁЯШН
Ya know, when you get who you really are you get weird and the more you know yourself the weirder you get. This is where the fallacy of judging a book by its cover plays. Many have тАЬbe dignifiedтАЭ as their basic life principle. While thereтАЩs nothing wrong with being dignified if it is authentic, for most it is going through the motions.
Anyway, this is already deeply into TL;DR territory.
Thanks again for your love and support.
I love you.
Bern
Well I lost an epistle. The forever essay basically made three points, learned through building an adult friendship with my parents.
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1st, one has a choice to forgive, to accept, to cherish, and to be kind.
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2nd, compassion is the crowing human virtue inside one's mind and mercy is the crowning human charity inside a grateful heart.
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3rd, the first two points are only possible with humility and self-respect.
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4th (extra credit), the three points enumerated above only work when one laughs at him-or-herself and with the world.
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May not seem like much but my techno-clumsiness spared you a neutron bomb (i.e., where you fall asleep but remain standing).