I agree, but my objection is that lawyers and likely Trump himself will use the exposure to stir up violence. Even police in the courtroom may be sympathetic to him. Better to have reporters and drawings. It will help keep courtroom decorum.
It needs to be televised! Trump will certainly throw his tantrums and play to his followers ad nauseum outside the courtroom. The judge assigned to this case is perfectly capable of controlling his behavior in her courtroom. Any of his outbursts there will not help his image with anyone. I also believe that televising the trial would short circuit possible support for him by police in the courtroom, which concerns you. Aside from a few characters/politicians like trump, itтАЩs amazing how knowing that your behavior is being televised and millions of people are watching (and can hit replay) moderates your behavior.
I expect that the trump crowd will only watch the clips selected by the faux news outlets. Like the January 6th hearings, millions would watch at least parts of the trial, especially if sources like MSNBC televise the entire thing. (I recorded it) Many others would not have the time or care enough to watch the whole thing, but recorded clips on the mainstream media nightly news would get their attention and make an impression. This is important for the survival of our democracy and totally outweighs any risk of bad behavior in the courtroom.
ItтАЩs not behavior in the courtroom that worries me. ItтАЩs guns and organized mayhem outside it, signaled from the courtroom by the master of TV rebellions.
1. There have been few demonstrators present at his various arraignments. Over 1000 of the perpetrators of January 6 have been identified, arrested and convicted. That includes the central organizers of the coup. That puts a big damper on the drive to protest during the trial.
2. This administration is aware of the possibility of such organized mayhem and will be prepared to deal with it. They will have appropriate backup available. They are not handicapped by the orders handed down during the trump administration just prior to January 6th which prohibited the arming of the National Guard or the loaning any of it equipment to the Capitol Police or calling it into action to support the police. There may be a ruckus, but it will be subdued quickly. IтАЩm not worried about DC. Florida, with DeSantis as governor, is a bit different since the National Guard is under the control of the governor unless it is federalized for a specific incident.
Frank Figliuzzi says over and over that lone wolves are a problem. What if a lone wolf shoots up the courtroom as a signal for a general uprising of the crazies? The numbers of guns and shootings, even with police forces on alert has not stopped the mass killings. If Trump allies organizeтАж?
You are consumed with presenting тАЬwhat ifsтАЭ. That courthouse normally has excellent security, IтАЩm sure. For this trial and probably prior to it, that security will be multiplied logarithmically. I would expect the normal security metal detector gates and probably additional wanding. Entrance will likely be restricted to persons with a legitimate purpose in being there. Just in case your next тАЬwhat ifтАЭ is about bombs: 1. A bombing risks maiming or killing their dear leader. 2. If you donтАЩt think there will be multiple bomb-sniffing dogs patrolling before and during the trial, think again.
At this point , I have two suggestions for you:
1. Please see a doctor and ask for some meds for your anxiety, or
I am not trolling, also not thinking about INSIDE the courthouse except that national TV would allow for a signal from there for violence anywhere in the country. Remembering what was plotted from DC by the don and by whom it was carried out, noting that with each indictment he gains in the polls, having lived through Jonestown, learning of disaffected police and military, although I am not concerned for my own safety, I am concerned for the safety of those he has spoken against and poll workers everywhere. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that the numbers of assault weapons have increased since 1/6. Just want those of us, myself included, who are curious about what defense the donтАЩs lawyers will be able to mount and how jurors will react, to think of all the possibilities as we ask to watch the proceedings.
Virginia, I apologize for misinterpreting your questions. I suppose live TV would present him with the opportunity to call on his supporters, as he did during the debates, when he said тАЬProud Boys, stand back and stand by.тАЭ I still believe that the presence of so few protesters at his arraignments indicates a lack of willingness to risk arrest to demonstrate, much less try to disrupt the court proceedings. To what end? His followers are generally less educated, but most are not stupid. They donтАЩt need to break him out of jail, heтАЩs out on bond. I canтАЩt picture trump living the rest of his life in hiding as a fugitive. Even if they could disrupt the proceedings sufficiently, it would end up as a mistrial and the charges would be filed again. Even if he could end up getting the charges dismissed, heтАЩs got two more trials waiting and another arraignment soon.
DonaldтАЩs MAGAts love to scream and shout agreement at his rallies, but thatтАЩs a whole different, insular world. I trust our court system and our law enforcement to be planning for any and all possible disruptions.
Thank you, Danielle. I hope that everything we who are curious about how this trial will go and feel confident that watching it is a good are correct. But remembering тАЬRussia, are you listening?, etc. and the appeal to the Proud Boys also on National TV, never forgetting that DT IS a MOB BOSS and a TV тАЬstaras well as a badly brought up child, Frank FigliuzziтАЩs warning about lone wolves, and what happened to Paul Pelosi, a blood bath seems to be what we want to avoid any chance of. May everything IтАЩve questioned never happen!
Thank you for teaching me what a тАЬtrollтАЭ is. I had a clue, but now I know!
Disagree. tRump will stir up his brainwashed magates regardless if televised or not. And they will be violent either way. Show us the TRUTH IN REAL TIME!
But, yes, this judge probably will not want it televised because tRump would turn it into a circus as that is tRump's specialty. If cameras cause the trial to be delayed, I'm not for it. I do hope it can be filmed for posterity though. Maybe the Library of Congress would want the video history for the record.
Any judge has the power to take steps against anyone, defendant or attorney, who tries to turn the courtroom into a circus.
I rather like the concept of a glass cube with one-way sound transmission. Defendant will be present and can hear everything said in the courtroom but cannot interrupt and otherwise act to disrupt - something I do agree is entirely possible. I have difficulty imagining tfg keeping his trap shut for hours in the courtroom.
I don't think this exposure will stir up as much violence as much as censoring it would. Besides, it's a great opportunity to expose once again what a compete psychopath Donald is. Bring on Mary!
Former Federal prosecutor Joyce Vance is a strong advocate FOR televising this trial, and I totally agree with her:
"Finally, cameras in the courtroom. Chief Justice Roberts could ensure these proceedings were made publicly available. He can order that there be cameras in the courts. And he should. That final charge makes it clear that we are all victims of this crime. We have the right to watch the proceedings."
And Vance twice quotes brilliant US Attorney Joyce Alene on X/Twitter:
"I'll say it again. The Chief Justice must authorize televising Trump's trial on charges connected to his attempts to interfere in the outcome of the 2024 election. Justice demands it."
"Chief Justice Roberts should immediately amend the rules to permit cameras in federal courts. The American public is entitled to watch the proceedings against Trump in their entirety. Anything less would be an injustice."
But Proud Boys and their allies will watch too and can easily be exhorted to violence. Trump and his lawyers may already have a plan and have military and police cooperation. Better to have reporters and artists plus film from the 1/6 Committee.
Part of the reason it took 2 years to reach today's DOJ indictment of tRump's conspiracy to overthrow our election was that Garland et al had to flip all the little insurrectionists first, thereby also capturing, disarming, and neutralizing tRump's Brown Shirt Brigade. My Proud Boy neighbor isn't marching anywhere these days. We, The people, All of Us This Time, need to see and hear the tRump trial.
The conspiracy trial MUST BE TELEVISED. Having the important opportunity as a college student on break to watch the Watergate Hearings in the summer of 1973 with my mother, I was witness to our country's deep corrupt pit, and our waking up, changing, becoming stronger. The primary focus of these hearings will be on the witnesses' testimony and cross examinations. Faux News will splice much of the truth away, but their remaining audience can not be reached by truth anyway. It is that college student, or a young mother, or middle aged worker, who should see first hand how deftly Jack Smith will excoriate tRump and his fellow cons, and end their tyranny.
But the Watergate Hearings took place in a different world. And this is a trial where the ex-president, TV personality, who is a tantrum-prone child with a following of organized armed bands who can be called to violence from the courtroom.
tRump will tantrum on Faux before, during and after. At least in court the Judge can silence him. We need good ole' Republicans (who voted for tRump because they were bamboozled) to see tRump in court, and to see and hear the witnesses. And this time, unlike last, our military leaders trust Pres. Biden and would, if need be, intervene if violent armed bands heard their dog's whistle.
"...heard a bunch of whining by former prosecutors and MSNBC anchors yesterday about how wonderful if would be if they allowed cameras in the federal courtroom for the trial of Defendant Trump whenever that happens. Why? So Defendant Trump can do his level best to appear as a victim of a wrongful prosecution every day like O.J. did? Maybe all the experts and anchors on MSNBC and CNN should go back and have a look at the verdict after all that wall-to-wall coverage of poor O.J., who was portrayed as the real victim, remember, instead of his dead wife and Ronald Goldman."
If they donтАЩt televise the trial, the networks/publishers like FOX, INFO WARS, Breitbart and Newsmax will continue to spin the narrative to back up Trumps cries of being the victim of a witch-hunt. It will allow the Cult of Trump to continue to bury their collective heads in the sand and cry foul.
We The People NEED to see it in realtime so there is no doubt of the actual narrative.
Zella, Thank You very very much for posting this link. (I'm a huge fan of Neal Katyal.) Televising the trial has the almost-sure potential of insuring that
Georgia Fisanick's image of the hand grenade with the pin pulled out is a DUD. Otherwise, misinformation and lies will proliferate causing lots of blood and gore.
Thank You Zella! Katyal is amazing! And impactful. And Scotus Roberts is worried about his reputation which already has rats in it from tRump's gutter. If enough legal and political experts like Katyal speak up for televising the hearings, Roberts will more likely allow it. And smile so humbly.
Which is why the trial MUST NOT BE ON TELEVISION. Please let your senator know.
Respectfully, I disagree. I think that every American has a right, if not an obligation, to watch this trial.
I agree, but my objection is that lawyers and likely Trump himself will use the exposure to stir up violence. Even police in the courtroom may be sympathetic to him. Better to have reporters and drawings. It will help keep courtroom decorum.
It needs to be televised! Trump will certainly throw his tantrums and play to his followers ad nauseum outside the courtroom. The judge assigned to this case is perfectly capable of controlling his behavior in her courtroom. Any of his outbursts there will not help his image with anyone. I also believe that televising the trial would short circuit possible support for him by police in the courtroom, which concerns you. Aside from a few characters/politicians like trump, itтАЩs amazing how knowing that your behavior is being televised and millions of people are watching (and can hit replay) moderates your behavior.
I expect that the trump crowd will only watch the clips selected by the faux news outlets. Like the January 6th hearings, millions would watch at least parts of the trial, especially if sources like MSNBC televise the entire thing. (I recorded it) Many others would not have the time or care enough to watch the whole thing, but recorded clips on the mainstream media nightly news would get their attention and make an impression. This is important for the survival of our democracy and totally outweighs any risk of bad behavior in the courtroom.
ItтАЩs not behavior in the courtroom that worries me. ItтАЩs guns and organized mayhem outside it, signaled from the courtroom by the master of TV rebellions.
IтАЩm not worried about it.
1. There have been few demonstrators present at his various arraignments. Over 1000 of the perpetrators of January 6 have been identified, arrested and convicted. That includes the central organizers of the coup. That puts a big damper on the drive to protest during the trial.
2. This administration is aware of the possibility of such organized mayhem and will be prepared to deal with it. They will have appropriate backup available. They are not handicapped by the orders handed down during the trump administration just prior to January 6th which prohibited the arming of the National Guard or the loaning any of it equipment to the Capitol Police or calling it into action to support the police. There may be a ruckus, but it will be subdued quickly. IтАЩm not worried about DC. Florida, with DeSantis as governor, is a bit different since the National Guard is under the control of the governor unless it is federalized for a specific incident.
Frank Figliuzzi says over and over that lone wolves are a problem. What if a lone wolf shoots up the courtroom as a signal for a general uprising of the crazies? The numbers of guns and shootings, even with police forces on alert has not stopped the mass killings. If Trump allies organizeтАж?
You are consumed with presenting тАЬwhat ifsтАЭ. That courthouse normally has excellent security, IтАЩm sure. For this trial and probably prior to it, that security will be multiplied logarithmically. I would expect the normal security metal detector gates and probably additional wanding. Entrance will likely be restricted to persons with a legitimate purpose in being there. Just in case your next тАЬwhat ifтАЭ is about bombs: 1. A bombing risks maiming or killing their dear leader. 2. If you donтАЩt think there will be multiple bomb-sniffing dogs patrolling before and during the trial, think again.
At this point , I have two suggestions for you:
1. Please see a doctor and ask for some meds for your anxiety, or
2. Stop trying to troll on this Substack.
I am not trolling, also not thinking about INSIDE the courthouse except that national TV would allow for a signal from there for violence anywhere in the country. Remembering what was plotted from DC by the don and by whom it was carried out, noting that with each indictment he gains in the polls, having lived through Jonestown, learning of disaffected police and military, although I am not concerned for my own safety, I am concerned for the safety of those he has spoken against and poll workers everywhere. Oh, I almost forgot to mention that the numbers of assault weapons have increased since 1/6. Just want those of us, myself included, who are curious about what defense the donтАЩs lawyers will be able to mount and how jurors will react, to think of all the possibilities as we ask to watch the proceedings.
Virginia, I apologize for misinterpreting your questions. I suppose live TV would present him with the opportunity to call on his supporters, as he did during the debates, when he said тАЬProud Boys, stand back and stand by.тАЭ I still believe that the presence of so few protesters at his arraignments indicates a lack of willingness to risk arrest to demonstrate, much less try to disrupt the court proceedings. To what end? His followers are generally less educated, but most are not stupid. They donтАЩt need to break him out of jail, heтАЩs out on bond. I canтАЩt picture trump living the rest of his life in hiding as a fugitive. Even if they could disrupt the proceedings sufficiently, it would end up as a mistrial and the charges would be filed again. Even if he could end up getting the charges dismissed, heтАЩs got two more trials waiting and another arraignment soon.
DonaldтАЩs MAGAts love to scream and shout agreement at his rallies, but thatтАЩs a whole different, insular world. I trust our court system and our law enforcement to be planning for any and all possible disruptions.
Thank you, Danielle. I hope that everything we who are curious about how this trial will go and feel confident that watching it is a good are correct. But remembering тАЬRussia, are you listening?, etc. and the appeal to the Proud Boys also on National TV, never forgetting that DT IS a MOB BOSS and a TV тАЬstaras well as a badly brought up child, Frank FigliuzziтАЩs warning about lone wolves, and what happened to Paul Pelosi, a blood bath seems to be what we want to avoid any chance of. May everything IтАЩve questioned never happen!
Thank you for teaching me what a тАЬtrollтАЭ is. I had a clue, but now I know!
Disagree. tRump will stir up his brainwashed magates regardless if televised or not. And they will be violent either way. Show us the TRUTH IN REAL TIME!
But, yes, this judge probably will not want it televised because tRump would turn it into a circus as that is tRump's specialty. If cameras cause the trial to be delayed, I'm not for it. I do hope it can be filmed for posterity though. Maybe the Library of Congress would want the video history for the record.
Any judge has the power to take steps against anyone, defendant or attorney, who tries to turn the courtroom into a circus.
I rather like the concept of a glass cube with one-way sound transmission. Defendant will be present and can hear everything said in the courtroom but cannot interrupt and otherwise act to disrupt - something I do agree is entirely possible. I have difficulty imagining tfg keeping his trap shut for hours in the courtroom.
I don't think this exposure will stir up as much violence as much as censoring it would. Besides, it's a great opportunity to expose once again what a compete psychopath Donald is. Bring on Mary!
ItтАЩs not censorship. ItтАЩs normal federal trial procedure тАФreporters and drawings.
Former Federal prosecutor Joyce Vance is a strong advocate FOR televising this trial, and I totally agree with her:
"Finally, cameras in the courtroom. Chief Justice Roberts could ensure these proceedings were made publicly available. He can order that there be cameras in the courts. And he should. That final charge makes it clear that we are all victims of this crime. We have the right to watch the proceedings."
And Vance twice quotes brilliant US Attorney Joyce Alene on X/Twitter:
"I'll say it again. The Chief Justice must authorize televising Trump's trial on charges connected to his attempts to interfere in the outcome of the 2024 election. Justice demands it."
"Chief Justice Roberts should immediately amend the rules to permit cameras in federal courts. The American public is entitled to watch the proceedings against Trump in their entirety. Anything less would be an injustice."
But Proud Boys and their allies will watch too and can easily be exhorted to violence. Trump and his lawyers may already have a plan and have military and police cooperation. Better to have reporters and artists plus film from the 1/6 Committee.
Part of the reason it took 2 years to reach today's DOJ indictment of tRump's conspiracy to overthrow our election was that Garland et al had to flip all the little insurrectionists first, thereby also capturing, disarming, and neutralizing tRump's Brown Shirt Brigade. My Proud Boy neighbor isn't marching anywhere these days. We, The people, All of Us This Time, need to see and hear the tRump trial.
Let 'em try it. The Feds will be waiting.
ll the better. Smoke 'em out.
No what? I don't understand what you're referring to.
Neither do I. Thanks for pointing out my inadvertant glibness. Will delete.
The conspiracy trial MUST BE TELEVISED. Having the important opportunity as a college student on break to watch the Watergate Hearings in the summer of 1973 with my mother, I was witness to our country's deep corrupt pit, and our waking up, changing, becoming stronger. The primary focus of these hearings will be on the witnesses' testimony and cross examinations. Faux News will splice much of the truth away, but their remaining audience can not be reached by truth anyway. It is that college student, or a young mother, or middle aged worker, who should see first hand how deftly Jack Smith will excoriate tRump and his fellow cons, and end their tyranny.
But the Watergate Hearings took place in a different world. And this is a trial where the ex-president, TV personality, who is a tantrum-prone child with a following of organized armed bands who can be called to violence from the courtroom.
tRump will tantrum on Faux before, during and after. At least in court the Judge can silence him. We need good ole' Republicans (who voted for tRump because they were bamboozled) to see tRump in court, and to see and hear the witnesses. And this time, unlike last, our military leaders trust Pres. Biden and would, if need be, intervene if violent armed bands heard their dog's whistle.
Then there is this from Lucian Truscot IV:
"...heard a bunch of whining by former prosecutors and MSNBC anchors yesterday about how wonderful if would be if they allowed cameras in the federal courtroom for the trial of Defendant Trump whenever that happens. Why? So Defendant Trump can do his level best to appear as a victim of a wrongful prosecution every day like O.J. did? Maybe all the experts and anchors on MSNBC and CNN should go back and have a look at the verdict after all that wall-to-wall coverage of poor O.J., who was portrayed as the real victim, remember, instead of his dead wife and Ronald Goldman."
If they donтАЩt televise the trial, the networks/publishers like FOX, INFO WARS, Breitbart and Newsmax will continue to spin the narrative to back up Trumps cries of being the victim of a witch-hunt. It will allow the Cult of Trump to continue to bury their collective heads in the sand and cry foul.
We The People NEED to see it in realtime so there is no doubt of the actual narrative.
YES!
Zella, Thank You very very much for posting this link. (I'm a huge fan of Neal Katyal.) Televising the trial has the almost-sure potential of insuring that
Georgia Fisanick's image of the hand grenade with the pin pulled out is a DUD. Otherwise, misinformation and lies will proliferate causing lots of blood and gore.
Thank You Zella! Katyal is amazing! And impactful. And Scotus Roberts is worried about his reputation which already has rats in it from tRump's gutter. If enough legal and political experts like Katyal speak up for televising the hearings, Roberts will more likely allow it. And smile so humbly.