Maybe you should read "The 1619 Project" to be more informed about Jefferson. The Bible clearly provides that all men are created equal. Yet Jefferson & the slave owners drafted a Constitution in contravention of the Bible. Moreover, Republicans today are "originalists" but claim America was founded as a "Christian" nation. There is NO consistency to their arguments..
Maybe you should read "The 1619 Project" to be more informed about Jefferson. The Bible clearly provides that all men are created equal. Yet Jefferson & the slave owners drafted a Constitution in contravention of the Bible. Moreover, Republicans today are "originalists" but claim America was founded as a "Christian" nation. There is NO consistency to their arguments..
Where does the Bible "clearly provide that all men are created equal"?? The Bible, both Testaments, includes plenty of inequality, especially when women are included in the mix. And Jefferson and most of his cohorts weren't biblical literalists by any stretch of the imagination. IIRC The Bible, esp. the New Testament, does assert that all men are equal *in the eyes of God*. It's also pretty big on distinguishing what's owed to God and what's owed to secular authorities ("render unto Caesar . . .").
Paul in Galatians 3:28 for instance. We are all children of God, & God's greatest commandment is to love our neighbor, which is anyone in need. God suffers, when you treat his children as slaves, like the Egyptians treated the Jews. I suggest that you read "Christians Against Christianity" by Biblical scholar Obery Hendricks. You should also read "The 1619 Project" which provides the history of "cheap grace theology" in America.
Is that the same Paul who said that man was the head of woman as Christ was the head of man and God the head of Christ? There's also that "render unto Caesar" thing . . .
The same Paul who experienced Christ on the road to Damascus. Is it possible that you do not understand the theology of Paul? "In Christ we speak as persons of sincerity", as we are not "mere peddlers of God's word" ( 2 Cor. 2:17). Mere peddlers of God's word included the German "Christians" who supported Hitler (read the Barmen Declaration as signed by Karl Barth & Dietrich Bonhoeffer) as well as conservative evangelicals & conservative Catholics today, read "Jesus & John Wayne". All proponents of a "cheap grace theology".
If you look closely at the Constitution, you'll see that it provides checks and balances for the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, and between the federal government and the states, but it says very little about economic power coming from outside the government. That's because big business as it developed through the 19th century barely existed; the U.S. at the beginning was a mostly agrarian country. Originalism isn't just about race. It's about letting big business do what it wants with minimal regulation and restraint. In fact, a persuasive argument could be made that "traditional family values" (aka Christian white male supremacy) are a way to enlist popular support for "Big Business ├╝ber alles," which isn't in its naked form all that attractive to most voters.
Originalism is about using the science & moral reasoning of the 18th century to interpret the Constitution today in the 21st century. It totally ignores the spirit of the Constitution which was to form a more perfect Union.Read "We the People" by Erwin Chemerinsky or the legal philosophy of Ronald Dworkin.
Agree. The consistency is found in the GOP inconsistency, their abject fear of color and those different, in differences, their hatreds, and their inconsiderate inconsistencies.
A Christian is a follower of Christ as described in "We Cry Justice", "The Cost of Discipleship", & "Christians Against Christianity". Followers of Christ support the poorpeoplescampaign.org as led by Bishop William Barber.
Wm. Barber seems devoted. There are varied denominations and religious beliefs. Most are ancient, most seem useless to me. IтАЩve known cardinals that belong in jail, monsignors that a frauds, я┐╝dozens of prelates, educators and religious leaders, scores of politicians that claim all things. So many are troubled. Those that wear it on the sleeve demonstrate their need. Religion when real is a private matter. Norman V. Peale and Billy Graham and the huge movements in giant halks and TV are in entertainment.
Christ was sent by God to transform the individual (Sermon on the Mount) as well as our cultures (Sermon on the Plain), so that ALL of God's children could better flourish (read "Christ & Culture" by H. Richard Niebuhr).
Brian Book - deliver me from established religion. Rome ignored and supported Hitler. Protestants in the USA led US racial intolerance and intolerant born again Christians in the senate oppose a Black woman on SCOTUS - and Putin is warmly supported by the Greek Orthodox leader in everything he does - Tucker Carlson and Fox Fix Christians are unopposed by Billy Grahams insipid son. TV MAGA Christianity would be ignored by St. Francis of Assisi. Trump et al is a heathen ignored by every church and campus in America. Money drives all this evil. The church sold out.. what will it take? Jesus is a forgotten Jew that died on the cross. Rome is a mess. Church of England ignores racism and rape in Buckingham Palace as tolerance fails everywhere.
I agree, that's why I believe in the "priesthood of all believers" which is one of the big contributions made by Martin Luther (breaking the monopoly of the Catholic magisterium). History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme. Consider the Barmen Declaration of 1934 which called out the German "Christians" who supported Hitler. It was signed by Karl Barth & Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer is one of my favorite theologians, & wrote "The Cost of Discipleship". He was critical of "cheap grace theology" which is being preached today by conservative evangelicals & conservative Catholics. In my humble opinion, Obery Hendricks stands on the shoulders of Bonhoeffer today, & "Christians Against Christianity" is his Barmen Declaration. It is time to stand against cheap grace theology which threatens our democratic republic.
I am ignorant. I am informed. IтАЩve known too many. Then Archbishop Teddy McCarrick sinned with priests. Years later, outed. Yet, he fired the head of Seton Hall at my suggestion when I sensed his criminal nature. We endowed a soccer coach there. Msgr. Wm. B. OтАЩBrien was sleeping with the addicted taken from a DVI TC at Daytop. His church did not care. Temple Emanuel on 5th Avenue is a mess of contradictions. Intolerance rules. Cider House Rules. No establishment religion calling survives. The original concepts are good. All observed in the breach sooner or later when long established. No corporation has a conscience. Our criminal GOP today is the criminal Democratic Dixiecrats of yesterday. No difference.
Maybe you should read "The 1619 Project" to be more informed about Jefferson. The Bible clearly provides that all men are created equal. Yet Jefferson & the slave owners drafted a Constitution in contravention of the Bible. Moreover, Republicans today are "originalists" but claim America was founded as a "Christian" nation. There is NO consistency to their arguments..
Where does the Bible "clearly provide that all men are created equal"?? The Bible, both Testaments, includes plenty of inequality, especially when women are included in the mix. And Jefferson and most of his cohorts weren't biblical literalists by any stretch of the imagination. IIRC The Bible, esp. the New Testament, does assert that all men are equal *in the eyes of God*. It's also pretty big on distinguishing what's owed to God and what's owed to secular authorities ("render unto Caesar . . .").
Paul in Galatians 3:28 for instance. We are all children of God, & God's greatest commandment is to love our neighbor, which is anyone in need. God suffers, when you treat his children as slaves, like the Egyptians treated the Jews. I suggest that you read "Christians Against Christianity" by Biblical scholar Obery Hendricks. You should also read "The 1619 Project" which provides the history of "cheap grace theology" in America.
Is that the same Paul who said that man was the head of woman as Christ was the head of man and God the head of Christ? There's also that "render unto Caesar" thing . . .
Thank you, Susanna!
The same Paul who experienced Christ on the road to Damascus. Is it possible that you do not understand the theology of Paul? "In Christ we speak as persons of sincerity", as we are not "mere peddlers of God's word" ( 2 Cor. 2:17). Mere peddlers of God's word included the German "Christians" who supported Hitler (read the Barmen Declaration as signed by Karl Barth & Dietrich Bonhoeffer) as well as conservative evangelicals & conservative Catholics today, read "Jesus & John Wayne". All proponents of a "cheap grace theology".
So ... if we take the current GOP as "originalists", it therefore means that they want to return to "slavery times".
If you look closely at the Constitution, you'll see that it provides checks and balances for the executive, legislative, and judicial branches, and between the federal government and the states, but it says very little about economic power coming from outside the government. That's because big business as it developed through the 19th century barely existed; the U.S. at the beginning was a mostly agrarian country. Originalism isn't just about race. It's about letting big business do what it wants with minimal regulation and restraint. In fact, a persuasive argument could be made that "traditional family values" (aka Christian white male supremacy) are a way to enlist popular support for "Big Business ├╝ber alles," which isn't in its naked form all that attractive to most voters.
Originalism is about using the science & moral reasoning of the 18th century to interpret the Constitution today in the 21st century. It totally ignores the spirit of the Constitution which was to form a more perfect Union.Read "We the People" by Erwin Chemerinsky or the legal philosophy of Ronald Dworkin.
Agree. The consistency is found in the GOP inconsistency, their abject fear of color and those different, in differences, their hatreds, and their inconsiderate inconsistencies.
PS: they are not Christian. More to the point, who is, and what is a Christain, today?
A Christian is a follower of Christ as described in "We Cry Justice", "The Cost of Discipleship", & "Christians Against Christianity". Followers of Christ support the poorpeoplescampaign.org as led by Bishop William Barber.
Wm. Barber seems devoted. There are varied denominations and religious beliefs. Most are ancient, most seem useless to me. IтАЩve known cardinals that belong in jail, monsignors that a frauds, я┐╝dozens of prelates, educators and religious leaders, scores of politicians that claim all things. So many are troubled. Those that wear it on the sleeve demonstrate their need. Religion when real is a private matter. Norman V. Peale and Billy Graham and the huge movements in giant halks and TV are in entertainment.
Why is "religion when real a private matter"? What about the OT prophets anointed by God to share God's wisdom of social justice?
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Christ was sent by God to transform the individual (Sermon on the Mount) as well as our cultures (Sermon on the Plain), so that ALL of God's children could better flourish (read "Christ & Culture" by H. Richard Niebuhr).
Brian Book - deliver me from established religion. Rome ignored and supported Hitler. Protestants in the USA led US racial intolerance and intolerant born again Christians in the senate oppose a Black woman on SCOTUS - and Putin is warmly supported by the Greek Orthodox leader in everything he does - Tucker Carlson and Fox Fix Christians are unopposed by Billy Grahams insipid son. TV MAGA Christianity would be ignored by St. Francis of Assisi. Trump et al is a heathen ignored by every church and campus in America. Money drives all this evil. The church sold out.. what will it take? Jesus is a forgotten Jew that died on the cross. Rome is a mess. Church of England ignores racism and rape in Buckingham Palace as tolerance fails everywhere.
I agree, that's why I believe in the "priesthood of all believers" which is one of the big contributions made by Martin Luther (breaking the monopoly of the Catholic magisterium). History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme. Consider the Barmen Declaration of 1934 which called out the German "Christians" who supported Hitler. It was signed by Karl Barth & Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Bonhoeffer is one of my favorite theologians, & wrote "The Cost of Discipleship". He was critical of "cheap grace theology" which is being preached today by conservative evangelicals & conservative Catholics. In my humble opinion, Obery Hendricks stands on the shoulders of Bonhoeffer today, & "Christians Against Christianity" is his Barmen Declaration. It is time to stand against cheap grace theology which threatens our democratic republic.
I am ignorant. I am informed. IтАЩve known too many. Then Archbishop Teddy McCarrick sinned with priests. Years later, outed. Yet, he fired the head of Seton Hall at my suggestion when I sensed his criminal nature. We endowed a soccer coach there. Msgr. Wm. B. OтАЩBrien was sleeping with the addicted taken from a DVI TC at Daytop. His church did not care. Temple Emanuel on 5th Avenue is a mess of contradictions. Intolerance rules. Cider House Rules. No establishment religion calling survives. The original concepts are good. All observed in the breach sooner or later when long established. No corporation has a conscience. Our criminal GOP today is the criminal Democratic Dixiecrats of yesterday. No difference.