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A document only morons, er, I mean Republicans (no difference actually) could enjoy and believe.

Watch what they do, not what they say. As of tonight 168 Republicans have signed onto legislation in the house to ban abortion nationwide. Watch what they do, not what they say - today a state judge in Arizona said that the new law limiting abortion to the first 15 weeks wasn't as good as the 157 year old law written in 1866 when women couldn't vote and had no voice in government, that bans abortion in all instances without exception, was indeed the law in Arizona.

I'm pretty sure that dumbass just cost Kari Lake and Brett Masters and the QMAGAt running for Secretary of State their races, as well as a couple R congressmen.

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“It feels rather as if the Republicans recognize that Biden’s policies are popular, and are hoping that voters haven’t noticed that he is actually putting them in place.”

The Repugs have written an Apologia for President Biden! How generous and kind of the weasels!

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But here’s the thing, the MAGA base knows nothing about Biden’s successes in moving the country in the direction Democrats fought hard for (against the very Republicans who now see that this is what the public wants). They watch only propaganda. This “Commitment to America “ is new to them and they will attribute it to GOP efforts instead. There is no amount of doublespeak that they won’t accept. “My Party, My Life”

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Well we need a list of these goals and under each one another list of the many times everyone of those lying bturds voted against that goal and publish it far and wide. Proves how they lie ALL the time!

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But how do we reach the MAGAts if all they watch and read are right-wing media?

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I don’t think we can reach them; however, we can try to reach all other “ iffy” voters to get out there on 8 Nov! That’s where a list might help!

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Right. It is difficult or impossible to deprogram the brainwashed, so we must reach the undecideds.

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EXACTLY!!

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Write all the GOTV postcards you can (Turnabout Project is one source) and take time to check out your local Indivisible chapter. Think of yourself as a front line Ukrainian. We are.

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I believe that they are unreachable. I see that in my cadre of retired law enforcement friends. They just double down on the propaganda.

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Ally, do you think any of them could be members of Oath Keepers and that’s why they’re “unreachable”?

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Then we must target the undecideds and the kinda-left-leaning R's.

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With relational campaigning! Talk to your friends. Ask them to talk to their friends.

I have a Republican friend that I think is going to now hold her nose and vote Democrat because the Republicans are doing such crazy stuff and taking away rights.

I also recommend knowing what messaging works. Attend the Messaging to Win - Mondays at 1pm PT/4pm ET:

https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN_Z7B2IJ1MQqSW-H0MAjn-Yg?utm_campaign=Movement%20Briefing

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Thanks, Cathy. One of my dearest friends has finally said she just can't vote Republican this time. Dobbs put her over the edge.

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That 61% of newly registered voters are WOMEN portends which way the wind is blowing.

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We can't - so Fox and right-wing Nazi media must be stopped.

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Paid for ads??? The GOP pays to run their libelous propaganda ads 24/7 here in rural CD2 Maine. From what I have noted in my lifetime folks leave their tvs on constantly. Repeated over and over, even in the background. I’m quite confident it’s what delivered us 6 more years of Suzy Q

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Ugh! What a nightmare she is...I call her “the dangling carrot”. That’s what she does when she’s considering a vote. Gets our hopes up and drops us like a lead balloon.

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Here is the recording of the Sept. 19th Messaging to Win webinar: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lLXWMLhZK3WzfAKkvVpKJ31Z41iOBzcO/view

The next webinar is Oct 3rd.

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A black and white list for facts vs. the reality might be a good idea! At least one could hope…

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If only there was a way to get everyone to fact check all statements made by all politicians. I know that everything the democratic politicians say is not always spot on, and they do and say things that bug me, but I have this perception that the MAGA base accepts the MAGA kool aide as the HOLY gospel, never questioning some very disturbing statements of supposed “truth”. I hope I’m wrong….but?

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The Dems should have a PR campaign of public mockery of the Republican "Commitment to America" making the points in Heather's post above. The MAGA zealots won't be convinced (or even reached) by it, but, as others have pointed out, the undecideds, or, as I like to say, the "reasonable middle", may be convinced. Hoping, of course, that the reasonable middle exists.

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Over the years I have witnessed several instances of prominent right wingers angrily denying that they ever said precisely the words they were previously videoed saying, and the two recordings presented together. That sort of contradiction surely penetrates a MAGA skull or two here and there.

To be fair, modern Republicans tell so many, many lies, it must be pretty tough to keep them all straight.

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💯💯 #45 has done this repeatedly. Lied on video and then later on video says exactly the opposite and NEVER gets called on it. Some genius could make a video of all these and call it liar, liar, pants on fire!

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LOL Wikipedia, magazines, books all detail his lies. Maybe we need public education on the harm lying causes? Keep it simple?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veracity_of_statements_by_Donald_Trump

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So true, the cretins have been sending fund-raising crap to me, with the most egregious lies. They sound like many of the Dem fundraisers, sad to say. The republicans have always accused Dems of what they do. And Frank Luntz taught them how to project as well as anything that Orwell could have imagined.

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A peeve of mine…agree. It’s way past the time to reduce the reliance on fund raising for politicians. Outlawing all together would be a very helpful reform.

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I saw Frank Luntz on MSNBC last week. He is a very worried man, and said so.

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The fact that Frank Luntz was on MSNBC says it all about the depth of his guilt for helping Republicans do this to political speech.

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Absolutely correct. I was speaking to my MAGA neighbor about the “Commitment to America” website and was able to speak to each and every “commitment” listed, and point out how Biden was already doing it. The nabe absolutely shut me down and said I was making it up. I could have pulled out my iPhone and showed him actual facts, but we’ve been down this road before. His cognitive dissonance is crippling and he can’t even have a conversation about the differences without a meltdown. They will never believe Trump’s crimes really happened, but if they do somehow believe it, they’re insistent he is above the law.

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You tried, thank you. Dunce caps for all the MAGAts!

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And as an aside, the neighbor has an eighth grade education (he’s 40). It really does speak to Trump’s comment “I love the uneducated”.

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"There is no amount of doublespeak" sums it ALL up!!

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"My Party, My Lie." (oops, my finger slipped).

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They realize the policies and practices are popular (I.e. “small d” democratically supported) but, it is essential to note, they have voted against most of them while touting the benefits to their constituents.

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Weasels is too kind a word, maggots and cockroaches are more like it.

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You demean maggots and cockroaches since these creatures actually provide useful services.

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An individual responded to me when trying to "inform" those posting on a legislator's page that my efforts dealing with Orcs wasn't going to go anywhere, now they are Orcs they're lost (those familiar with Lord of the Rings no Orcs used to be humans so a very appropriate analogy).

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The Use of Language is the subject of this comment.

Today’s Letter addressed language, the language of the Republican Party’s “Commitment to America”.

What does it say versus what does it mean? HCR wrote the following:

‘Covering just a single page, it presents vague aspirations—many of which Biden has already put in place—but focuses on the radical extremes of the MAGA party while trying to make those extremes sound mild.’

‘…the first topic—making the economy strong—is a paraphrase of what the Biden administration has been doing.’ (Letter)

‘This is quite literally the platform of the Democrats, but while the Republicans offer no actual proposals to contribute to these goals, Biden has taken concrete steps to address inflation …’

(Letter)

“A Future That’s Built on Freedom” is a similar sleight of hand, meaning something far from the freedom of the recent past. Here it means giving parents control over their childrens’ education (more book banning and laws that prohibit teaching subjects that make students “uncomfortable”), “defend[ing] fairness by ensuring that only women can compete in women’s sports” (there’s the anti-trans statement), …’ (Letter)

The Letter takes the Republican Party’s ‘Commitment of America’ apart. What does the paper convey versus what it means.

‘In short, the document feels like the doublespeak from George Orwell’s dystopian novel 1984. To defend the indefensible, Orwell wrote in an essay titled “Politics and the English Language,” “political language has to consist largely of euphemism, question-begging and sheer cloudy vagueness…. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. (Letter)

Language in divided America is a crucial subject for us to address. It was a crucial subject when Orwell wrote “Politics and the English Language.” First published in 1946.

How do we talk to one another in this divided time? It isn’t only about what they’re saying and writing; What about us? How can we communicate with one another?

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How do we talk to one another? Good question. Carefully, politely, using verifiable (and short) statements of facts and by asking uncomplicated questions regarding what should be shared values ie “should the law apply equally to all”?”, “ would you stand in line for ten hours to vote”, “are national secrets important enough to be securely protected?, should the government favor one religion over another?

Do this calmly, no emotion. Do not react offensively to any dumb comment they make in rebuttal You won’t change their minds, but you’ve infected their brains with questions they’ll have wrestle with themselves

Make no enemies, but screw with their heads using facts and logic. Will it work? I don’t know. They’ll probably categorize you as dangerous or formidable

I can live with that

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Dave Dalton, I don’t know where you live, but here in Texas, facts are not facts, and logic, well, I really don’t know how to explain it, but it’s not what you think. Some of us here in Texas really believe the stuff put out by Fox, OANN and newsmax. They really sincerely believe that stuff. It’s frightening.

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Sigh. It’s true everywhere. This part of our population is quite literally not interested in truth/facts. They are in a cult, happy in the cocoon provided by said cult.

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It is not easy, perhaps not even possible, to deal with irrationality that is the product of real, physiological fear, with reason. Facts, logic, and cognitive functions are shut down when chemicals are released into our brains telling us we are in danger. As long as folks are bombarded with fear of the dangers that “others,” be they liberals, socialists, Muslims, Jews, Christians, democrats, republicans, Chinese . . ., they literally cannot hear and act on reason. Calling folks foolish, idiotic, ignorant, or despicable cannot overcome the deep emotions driven by their fears.

I don’t have a magic elixir to soothe the fears that are driving so many of us, but I know that calming those deep, physiological fears has to be a first step to normalizing reason as a civic good and that the fear-based negativity of the Republican Party of today is a major source of our current politics.

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Well said. Based on my experiences, that seems to be both the driving force, and the stumbling block to any kind of rational, thoughtful conversation.

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I think the evolutionarily older functions of our brain that persist to defend raw survival; fear, hate and greed, and focus on ego, are security flaws in our ability to think rationally and compassionately, and are quite vulnerable to manipulation, as are security flaws in computer systems (very loosely speaking) that allow manipulation by predatory opportunist who seek to control others. We pay far too little attention to this dynamic on a day to day basis.

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I think the problem lies in how we misuse those functions. That’s why I strongly advocate for brain health education starting at the earliest ages. Just for example: the brain needs healthy nutrients especially “good lipids” not food dyes. The brain needs a healthy balance of neurotransmitters, not a constant barrage of dopamine from video games The brain makes good neurotransmitter when we connect positively to other beings, so teach prosocial skills. If they’re not getting it at home, teach the skills needed so they can still get what they need to have a healthy brain. We get the brain our environment builds. Give kids a fighting chance to grow up with a healthy one.

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💯💯 and from where I sit the view tells me that Dems are busting balls trying to do this

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Agreed, and I think Biden is leading the way.

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So well said! Thank you. Allows room for compassion, which I have very little of towards extremists.

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I’m born ‘n raised Texan too, and you are absolutely correct. It is like a disease of the brain down here. I’d posit it’s the extreme heat and humidity but not all of us suffer from it!

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The evil oozes in places hard to imagine

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Sep 24, 2022·edited Sep 24, 2022

Propaganda Works! To save democracy we must shut down Fox news, QAnon and all their ill ilk.

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Absolutely! The Fairness Doctrine must be reinstated to ensure the news is reportedly as truthfully and accurately as possible, not for propaganda, ratings and their bottom line.

I’d like to see Fox Propaganda shut down permanently, and the Murdoch’s imprisoned for the damage they’ve done to this country, thru their greed and power hungry ignorance.

It’s not bad enough Murdoch had to screw up his country, then he had to take his toxicity to the US and UK.

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The Fairness Doctrine does not apply to cable tv. It only applies to public airwaves. Cable channel owners like Fox or HBO “own” their content.

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Yes, I understand. It ubiquitous “Facts are dismissed if Fox isn’t the source. Logic is of the Convoluted kind; you know, “ connect these unrelated dots” version. It is frightening. I have found that detailed argument is a waste of energy. No one changes positions or opinion

The best I can do is to use short simple sentences of documented facts, simple questions in a VERY passive aggressive manner to infect their brain with my virus. There is no antidote. They can’t “unhear” it

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I agree. Short and sharp. Like an inoculation.

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Propaganda works. Goebbels proved that in the 1930s.

I keep wondering why Rupert Murdoch wants to destroy the US, after trying in Britain and Australia. I understood Roger Ailes; I don’t Rupert Murdoch.

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They love Big Brother.

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Sep 24, 2022·edited Sep 24, 2022

You've outlined the hard part for us, Dave. It is easy to call 'them' 'morons' and the 'enemy', and self-congratulatory to boot. We've built a high wall between us with our use language. DJT has been a major contributor. This is The WALL, however, on which his name is writ large.

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The power of language works when people have a common language, and have a common understanding of events. When a gentle (trust me, I am not always abrasive) suggestion or comment is made and met with a flame of "libtard" or worse, it is hard to establish a conversation. I do not have a common basis for language with these folks; we can use the same words, even in a civil manner (occasionally, mostly with people who know me already) and they do not mean the same things to many of the MAGAts.

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My response to accusations like “libtard” is to “not acknowledge” the invective. Just skip right passed it. Continue asking the basic questions of liberty, equality, fairness, rule of law as they grow red-faced ( like their hats)

A deep breath and slow exhale is empowering

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Sep 24, 2022·edited Sep 24, 2022

The wall as been growing for decades and, I'm guessing, got much thicker in the last 7 to 8 years. There is research, which include suggestions about lessening it, some of it published in the last few years. Your experience, Ally, is common. There may be ways forward that we haven't employed. That's what some of us are looking for.

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Sep 24, 2022·edited Sep 24, 2022

You are right Fern, Trump and the MAGAS have successfully built a metaphorical wall between us.

Between truth and propaganda, between those who believe in the body politic and those who are controlled by fear and hatred.

We need to go over, under and through that wall.

Probably the Dobbs decision gives us more power than we have had in 50 years.

I think the attempted transformation of 1/2 of our people to the legal standing of livestock should be our front line of persuasion. This wall is a powerful illusion but we must reveal it as just that, a lie.

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An astute observation, Fern. Dumpster’s Wall of Lies and Bullshit can be seen from space. The final reality flip is that his MAGA faithful, trapped in there, think they’re the ones who understand freedom.

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I think denial of climate change is behind some of the fear. As Republicans continue to refuse to say the words and to deny science they become more and more unreachable. After my neighbor told me in all seriousness “God will take care of climate change” (he is a financial advisor), I managed not to do a double take, but recognized that even an intelligent person can be a science denier, so many are even beyond th

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the reach of the education system.

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Click on the three little dots and you can edit your post.

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Very similar to what works in a family. Set clear boundaries. Maintain them firmly, fairly and consistently without emotion.

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17th century philosopher Pascal had a theory on this and it's rather simple. To tell someone they're wrong, first tell them they're right. See link:

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/a-philosopher-s-350-year-old-trick-to-get-people-to-change-their-minds-is-now-backed-up-by

But, the interesting context of HCR's points today for me is that,...given the almost identical content of the GOP's "new" platform to the existing one of the Dems that is openly underway,.... if this were really true for the GOP then would it not follow we would really BE the "United" States of America and there would be No Polarization? We would all be believing the same thing!

This should become the Dems new ad campaign going into the midterms and beyond,....So, if you really believe in the things we've been doing, then Join Us! Put up or shut up just as the Judge said to TFG.

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Sep 24, 2022·edited Sep 24, 2022

BK, The beauty of asking real questions is the dialogue that they may produce; elicit the questions we ourselves have; spur our thinking, and promote sharing the knowledge that we have absorbed. Your insight, BK, is true and one for us to employ. You have taken today's letter one more crucial step forward. Thank you. I hope that you will share it again at the start of the forum, so that more subscribers have the opportunity to read it. Salud!

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TY Fern. Being somewhat recent to the posting side of the forum I am not yet familiar with the methods of placement so, please with my nod to your instincts

feel free to do a cut-&-paste as you see fit.

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Hello, BK. I think it is too late to repost your comment today, but there will be more opportunities in the future to share your insights. Cheers!

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Interesting in what Pascal has said about the use of persuasion in changing a person’s mind. Unfortunately, in my conversations with these individuals, I am talking to the wind. I am a very patient person who chooses her words carefully without losing my mind. I just lose it...after I have talked to these people!! Until Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act actually starts to produce progress, I simply think we are stuck with this stubborn mentality from the right.

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Marlene, Language continues to degrade in US, which I think is very much connected to nature of the divide/politization of the country. Language is another lens through which to see ourselves. May another mirror shed more light? I'm very concerned about the future and about whether the ship of state could turn in a more positive direction in the next couple of years -- no predications here. Organization by the people, much more of it, by groups aimed at health, the environment, personal rights... our own lobbies may be a pro-democracy movement on our agenda.

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That is my hope and thinking, as well, Fern. We must acquire a big megaphone.

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Marlene, I am laughing for the first time today; there were a couple of narrow smiles, earlier. Wouldn't we be funny, the two of us with gigantic megaphones? I'm shrinking in size everyday!

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I wonder if the hardcore people can actually admit that gas prices have been falling.

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Carol, in CA we can’t. We are paying premium prices for gas at $5.49 a gal for unleaded and $5.99 or in some places, $6.59! We get screwed by the oil industries that are here. Thus, the push for electric vehicles which none of us can find because they have been bought and won’t he on the sellers market for 2-3 years.

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I live in CA too. Ours have come down only a little compared to the rest of the country. It was people in red states that I was thinking of.

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Thanks, BK for the link to Pascal. The word “trick” in the title seemed like clickbait, but the article itself was quite useful.

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Fern, I travel locally in a wheelchair van which is a service I am grateful for. However, the drivers are not the best at parsing politics, and most seem to be watchers of Fox and Football. I often hear them spout the usual. So, recently someone said to challenge them without anger by asking who, when, where, what. It worked the first time I tried it.

So the driver informed me that all the cities with gun control have the highest crime rate.

I said, "How did you learn that?"

"I didn't," he replied. "I just know it." I do believe he trapped himself because he didn't offer more "advice."

I am so glad I am armed with a new tool and that I don't go bonkers over BS.

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Love it! My similar experience party with plenty of alcohol, at least ten years ago. A climate denialist was feeling cornered by some science types, and she felt she had to point out she was a good person who donated large sums to charities. I just listened. It was kind of fascinating. When I could get a word in, I said what convinced me was the ice cores from Antarctica with trapped CO2 bubbles from the atmosphere of thousands of years ago. “What convinced me” was the end of the discussion, no more anger, just get something to eat.

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The likes are certainly sluggish today. (Enemy action? or just mechanical fatigue?)

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Difficult to communicate when half the country would follow a glittering gold pied piper off the face of the earth. I agree communication is everything, but the liars have been winning at that for decades it now appears. Can facts win?

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De Santis doesn't have much glitter...

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Right! The scary question is has #45 built the cult momentum to the point they’ll follow the glitterless over the edge? Hitler certainly had no glitter but it was a vastly different era. I’m betting on the appearance of glitter being a requirement. Many of them believe in a country where anyone of them can be #45 if only they can lie and steal their way there.

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Thanks for the comment Fern. I've read your past comments and that which follows is likely "preaching to the choir." Maybe the following perspective on "how can we communicate with one another" will resonate with all LFAA subscribers...

Dr. HRC's interview with President Biden emphasized the importance of honor and decency in to accomplish the goals of a democracy. It's ALWAYS more honorable and decent to get beyond anger and frustration in communicating/discussing the best possible solutions to address any issue. That said, of course we will all be angry and frustrated at times-none of us are robots. Periodic "venting" in this venue is therefore to be expected. The thing is, there's not going to be much "communicating" with anyone who is stuck in a mindset of anger.

Imagine the possibilities for our democracy if the basic honor and decency in rising above anger in our communication/debate was more common.

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Thank you, John. I think the question of 'how we can communicate with one another' opened a dialogue between us on the forum. We'll continue as we share our thoughts, knowledge, feelings and experiences in communicating 'language'. Language, visuals and movements are our means of communication. How can we not give communication the attention it deserves?

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A great start would be mental health 101 in preK. Actually the Nurse Family Partnership or Parents are Teachers too would be even in better

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The mindset of anger is continually stoked by #45 and his mob of gangsters. Everything I have read of authoritarianism seems to say that is how they gain power, by stoking anger. Therapists spend their life’s work trying to help folks let go of anger. A person has to want to manage their anger. Most of the “mob” won’t even recognize that anger is their fuel.

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Do you not see 'anger' and 'hatred' widespread among Americans, including here on the forum? It has become a form of validation. This does not mean tolerating inequality, white supremacy, racism, elitism... It means addressing how we use language with one another.

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That heart is for you, Citzen60.

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If this comment is truly intended to be a response to my comment and not an error of some sort, then we have a “communication” problem. I fail to see any connection between my comment and this response and to be frank, I have learned from our history of communicating that I am not interested in trying.

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We can communicate with each other if some authority shuts down Big Brother's Fox news.

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Nothing stifles debate like constant noise.

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With patience, open ears and kindness. Listen, listen, listen some more…maybe ask a question or two but stay off the soap box…unless, it’s you who is tasked with being on it.

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Propaganda rules

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Sep 24, 2022·edited Sep 24, 2022

Propaganda has been very effective, particularly with large numbers whose lives have changed as a result of loss of manufacturing and community, technology, inadequate governmental solutions (at best), Black Money, loss of journalistically based local news, social media, white supremacy/racism, and I add - isolation - to the mix. Propaganda requires a great deal of attention. It has been studied in depth and we need to find 'workable' solutions.

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On the origins and multiple applications of propaganda (very interesting): https://csmt.uchicago.edu/glossary2004/propaganda.htm

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Fern, Orwellian is the “ Inflation Reduction Act” and BBB. Biden’s insane spending has directly contributed to staggering inflation and a lowering of our National standard of living by virtue of a collapse in real earnings. Biden’s energy, public safety, foreign policy and open borders immigration policies are not much better. Dystopian and delusional if you think this administration has advanced our security and our economic vitality. Sadly it has not. My guess is we will see this confirmed soon enough at the polls.

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Are these the ravings of a troll?

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Sep 25, 2022·edited Sep 25, 2022

Yes, Alan. DC is a resident troll. You can report his comment by clicking “…” under it.

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OM goodness, David. Everything you have noted surely belongs on the other side of the aisle.

I'd like to see a better energy policy, too, but compromises were made to have anything at all in the way of improved environmental standards.

Surely you are aware of post-pandemic causes of inflation: shipping and supply delays, corporate profiteering, especially in the fossil fuel segments, China's covid chaos, the war in Ukraine, et al.

Surely you are aware of a rapid return to pre-pandemic employment status. Quite an accomplishment. Especially gas prices have lowered quite a bit, due to Pres Biden's managing of fuel reserves.

I would also like to encourage you to reconsider "open borders." That simply is not true. the Biden administration is dealing as compassionately and LEGALLY as possible with immigration. There is no limit on applications for asylum. Thousands of migrants have been returned to their countries who did not fit the qualifications for refuge. The cruelty of the former administration in their immigration policy will define the Republican party for decades. As will the mad man who was President.

There are a multitude of reasons that immigrants and refugees are applying for entry to the US. Compare our nation to the world as a whole in which masses of people are fleeing warfare, destitution, drought and floods. It bears a universal solution far beyond us by ourselves.

I think you are hinting at a "trickle down" economy as ideal, or Reaganomics. That is what has failed. Therein lies the lowered standard of living, including rotting infrastructure and housing shortages, tainted water and poor health care for poor people.

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Sep 25, 2022·edited Sep 25, 2022

Hope, he’s a resident troll. One can report his comment by clicking “…” under it.

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Thanks Ashley. I have to remind myself that trolling is pretty pathological. What a small universe trolls live in.

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Compassionate. Total BS. It leaves millions of people we have not vetted rampaging around forever as illegal immigrants. Funny how it’s not compassionate when illegal immigrants go willingly to Sanctuary states. Biden’s economic policies are a disaster. Say what you want about Reagan. I had to leave a private college during Carter as a result of financial distress. The Reagan years were pretty darn good having stated in the whole with nothing. The only reason gas prices are coming down is people can’t afford to drive. Joe’s crazed spending lit the flame. I imagine you see his finest hour surrendering in Afghanistan?

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Troll. The inflation being had now is the direct result of over $2T being literally gifted to the GOP's investors who by definition expect results for their investment,... and they got it courtesy of TFG who continued to threaten the Fed to keep rates at zero so he could lay the entire mess at the doorstep of the next admin. Typ GOP playbook stuff as it has been for decades. Next.

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BK,

DC is a resident troll. One can report his comment by clicking “…” under it.

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I agree BK. David is definitely trolling and/or not making much sense. David, when you throw stuff, check before. Biden left Afghanistan because Trump set a date for withdrawing which the US was obligated to follow. Of course he set the date to occur in the next administration.

I hope you are helping the Afghani refugees settle here. Their lives depend on it.

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FERN

Yeah!

Use SHORT statements

Of original conceptualizations instead of ALWAYS poaching others comments that we have already studied, Eh!?

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Chris, I really like your thoughtful comment today. Your phrase “Treating people as abstractions” is a pivot point for much of wisdom we need to lead us out of this morass we are in, this Tower of Babel, if you will. Propaganda’s greatest feature is it’s ability to shorten the cognitive milliseconds we take to form a contextual judgement/status assessments of a person we are encountering in any given situation. Propaganda is perfected in each technological age to shorten this thinking-time, and replace it with pre-formed, manufactured opinions (which often include the time-honored-fear-based label “Enemy”). Stopping to “treat individuals as human beings and not abstractions” takes milliseconds more time, - and courage. And doing it requires risk and effort. Yet it remains the only way out of the mind-prison of propaganda.

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Attempted like

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Same here. But I have faith (that my attempt will succeed in a few minutes).

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Yes, thank you for that

Getting to know some background allows for shared empathy before moving to value examinations; which is really what we are all attempting to convey, “ what ARE your values, in your own words?”

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TCinLA

Moronic Minions, Eh!?

And

Old Moscow mitch-bitch's scamplan to hijack the supreme court by jamming in a bunch of dumbass greedy maggots backfired SPLAT in his turtled contorted puss giving Democrats a gift that will keep on giving right up to this November 8th ! WHOOOO! HOOOOO!

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Your joy is contagious

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Jeri Chilcutt

Thank you for answering my daily prayer!

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🤣🤣you have quite the way with words! Love the early morning giggles! 🤣🤣

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We hope, so must vote!

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Virginia Witmer

Aha!

A snappy little ditty, EH!?

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Let’s hope and pray that it is definitely the case that he helped them to lose!! 🥳

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Agreed

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Was hoping Masters et al would have lost anyway.

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Oh, TC we hope that those regressive republicans will lose their races! Defeat to the far right fascists!

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You would think this costs them their races, but there are apparently enough morons in this country who don't have a freaking clue.

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Are there enough people with ears connected to a brain that has not been “MAGAfied?” Those around me seem stupefied. May the concrete crack…

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Jeri Chilcutt

It would seem that some poor souls out "There" were taught to squeeze their nose real tight and hold their mouth closed even tighter and then try to blow real hard until the wax shoots out of their ears...unfortunately there are way to many Blowhards out "There" that blew some of their brains out also!

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Your keyboard to G*d’s ear, TC!

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SLWeston (PA)

That would be to the ear of our FATHER in Heaven, Eh!?

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For Christians, yes. All kinds of names for God, Mr. Dobbs.

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SLWeston (PA)

Gee...

Thanks for the heads up Mr. SL Weston.

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Sure hope you're right, TC, about AZ elections.

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Pam Peterson (West MA)

Hope is good...

Prayer is infallible with request for the Grace of discernment to hear HIS answer instead of your answer.....Eh!?

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Sep 25, 2022·edited Sep 25, 2022

Their plan for the country isn't a plan at all. It's a facade of lies. It will persuade no one. The abortion ban and threats to Social Security will not be forgotten.

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May we hope you are correct. After all, you have correctly noted that R's aren't all that bright.

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🤞

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You are assuming the RepubliCONs are literate....

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My college pal Tom Cullen lives in LA, I thought you were he. He is both smart and irreverent like you seem to be. He has a Ph.D but whose counting. Your comment is spot-on !!!!!

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Different TC, but in LA. :-)

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Isn’t Justin King, a.k.a. Beau of the Fifth Column, the BEST?! So much wisdom, experience, common sense, wry wit. The best.

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Sep 24, 2022·edited Sep 24, 2022

As a one-time ‘blue water’ sailor, I appreciate having detailed nautical charts and electronic aides on a vexing voyage. President Biden, as captain of our ship of state, has clearly established an appropriate course which, as circumstances required, was adjusted midstream. His crew (the Democratic Congress), while encountering some back winds, has provided fulsome support to their skipper.

Trump has never relied on charts or electronic aides in office or afterwards. As president, He led our ship of state onto rocks on various occasions. As ex-president on policy he has been as vacuous as would-be-Senate-Majority-Leader-McConnell.

Two wannabe-leaders of the House, McCarthy and Stefanik (who replaced Liz Cheney in Republican House leadership) have now presented a one page Commitment to America ‘policy paper’ that reads like it was scribbled on a napkin after a boisterous night of drinking.

I would consider this ludicrous, were it not the only purported ship of state nautical charts provided by Republican ‘leadership.’ I find it frightening as indicative of a rudderless Republican ship of state.

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“Trump has never relied on charts or electronic aides in office or afterwards.” I do recall one exception, Keith: remember that weather map that he Sharpied to prove his off-course assertion that hurricane Dorian was heading to Alabama? While a potentially life-threatening hurricane was headed to the Carolinas, he continued displaying his doctored map for several days, forcing National Weather Service personnel to rush multiple corrections to alert those residing on the storm’s factually chartered path. But I’m sure you are correct, Keith: he doesn’t rely on any source of universally accepted knowledge. (BTW, I ’d love to see him try to identify 10 of the states in an unlabeled U.S. map 😉)

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Do you think he could pass citizenship test for immigrants?

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I do not think he could. There are numerous things many of us can do and things we understand that he does not have the slightest clue about. I am not exaggerating. It is astonishing.

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Since the ex president thinks bleach could cure COVID, it is highly unlikely that he could pass the citizenship test. Probably lots of his base couldn’t either.

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Joan NO! The only thing Trump knows about checks and balances [the constitutional interrelationship between the Executive, Legislature, and Judiciary] is what Wissenburg (in court with a guilty plea) the financial wizard at The Trump Organization, tried to explain to him in Checkbook 101. [Trump flunked.]

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That test might be a test for many of us🥴

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HAhahaha

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Am not sure I could…

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Senator Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) thought the three branches were president, senate and house. Seriously.

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Glad Palin (who could see Russia from her house) was defeated in Alaska. (Maybe she was THINKING she could see it?)

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Not sure I would use the verb think with Palin.

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Nonetheless, November gives Palin one more bite at the apple. Let's hope that she's widely enough disliked (as has been expressed elsewhere following the primary) that she'll lose once again.

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She isn’t finished yet...planning to re-run against the woman who defeated her!

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All members of the House and Senate should be required to pass a citizenship test. Do they even understand the structure of our government? How can they swear to uphold the Constitution when they don't even know what it says?!

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That the people of Alabama could replace Doug Jones with this ignoramus football coach says a lot about the people of Alabama! And it’s not good….

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Not a surprise. I knew he would win as a former football coach. It's SEC country.

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Voter suppression had a lot to do with it

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He is an extra dose of stupid

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Duh! He is a Republican elected by Republicans!

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Ah, a former football coach who didn't need to know anything beyond football games. A travesty.

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Spot on Rose; let's see if the Special Master, Judge Dearie, can locate the Sharpie effort among the NARA documents at MAL.

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Rose Thanks for your Sharpie-eyed remembrance. I believe that Trump might be able to identify FL & NY. On a blank global map, I am certain that he couldn’t locate Ukraine. And, as he explained to Xi, it was fortunate that India didn’t have a common border with China. [Are their troops fighting in some video game?]

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I think he could find Tsar-a-Loco and yes, New York. And maybe places where he has golf courses or hotels.

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"Tsar-a-Loco"—Good one, Michele.

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My fav for that ugly pile.

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Hurricane Dorian’s tornadoes came right through my southeastern NC backyard, no place close to Alabama.

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Also I have noted that Biden was right on it for Puerto Rico this week. And gosh, not there throwing out rolls of paper towels.

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Me too. Remove FL, CA, AK, HI. Hell leave them in, it won’t matter.😜

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Keith, brilliantly written and honestly expressing the sad reality of the Republican party as well as describing the leadership of the captain of our ship of state. He knows how to navigate. He loves this country....he respects the ideal of democracy. His leadership is inspiring.....and I also have to include thank you to the many young men and women who are working hard beside him for the healthy growth and well-being of our nation and the world. They are being encouraged by a great mentor....actually President Joe Biden is providing proof that democracy works!

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Frightening. So frightening. Especially after viewing 6 hours of Ken Burns documenting the rise of the Nazi party in Germany and the massive sympathy/ disinterest here. The refusal to see the news that was in papers daily. And then there was Lindberg and his adoring followers. We seem to be that same country today. Sleepwalking into right wing vision.

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That feeling of “Oh Sh*t! We are doing the same thing today!” was my immediate reaction. Then it gave me a really weird calming feeling. All my marching, protesting, letter-writing, donating, and engaging have been what I should have been doing, because this thing is REAL, this fight, this creep of fascism, this fragility of democracy, is REAL. I don’t know how this will all turn out, but I want my grandchildren to say “She didn’t just sit around complaining!”

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Michelle. Calmness. I wish that was my reaction. I feel polar opposite

All these years of supporting Planned Parenthood and Guttmacher Institute and the Supreme court waves a wand …over. Just one example

they are going to go after soc security and obamacare and who knows what?

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By calmness I meant my seeing the similarities to the 1930’s and the people who protested then, affirmed my belief that action needs to happen. We are not delusional, or histrionic, which is something I often hear. No. This is real.

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Great point. Can’t help but see KB documentary through the lens of trump desantis and the maga movement.

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Seeing it now is why Ken Burns insisted it be broadcast at this time, not whenever it had been scheduled to be shown.

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I watched the first 2 hours last night, and it wasn't difficult to see some of the parallels between then and now. Scary.

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What really struck me was not just the parallels, but the MAGA repetition of the isolationists’ “America First” and the tiki torches March in Charlottesville. I hadn’t realized how closely the MAGAs copied Hitler.

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I agree 1000%. This has been apparent to me (and actually many others) since TFG was elected.

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And we don’t have the Japanese to blast us out of our stupor.

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Isolationism, but also the strength of the world’s oldest hate that always simmers in non-Asian societies.

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Sep 24, 2022·edited Sep 24, 2022

Always appreciate your input to the discussion, Keith. The American people are a practical group not tied to class restrictions. Depending on their internal compass, perhaps, mostly forged in their mother’s womb, they make most of their decisions. They know they need to be honest, even when they break rules and then, either choose to own up ...or choose to keep breaking them. Arguments are generally avoided...most every one just wants to peacefully get through their day and feel good about their behavior and interactions with others. Fighting happens when emotions become overly charged but rarely change how anyone behaves since they find change so difficult and often very repellent. Most Americans like to make their own changes. Many do it through education, contemplation, others through upbringing and life experience, inside a free society ...what works, and what doesn’t ...is the approach, almost everyone follows if they’re mentally capable of doing so.

Biden and his large team of government leaders are on a solid path; they’re making real progress and, even better, they’re animated and inspired by the biggest accomplishments of past administrations and their own solid internal compasses. They’re also pretty clear about not repeating the errors of their predecessors; they’ll make their own along the way. They’ve made a few, but they keep trying to correct course and they’ve succeeded many times in doing so. They’re very effective in a crisis; experience counts very much along with solid problem solving skills. It’s pretty plain to see. There’s a lot to still accomplish. Joe and his team are on course to doing a lot more. The midterms are a very good litmus test for how practical Americans really are. After all the din and roar and chicanery of the republicans... what have they accomplished for the American people? Let’s see how American citizens, who make the effort to vote, actually decide things.

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But I, who loves to parse words and do research, taking a quick read of the Repub “platform,” have to say, it sounds good. Who could argue with the thoughts and goals? But unless you also read the words and know what the ideas really mean, and most of all compare them to past and current actions, you could think the repubs have come to their senses.

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MLM Of course you couldn’t parse the words in the 2020 Republican presidential convention party platform since, for the first time in my memory, they chose not to have one. [Might there have been a footnote: ‘See Trump Tweats for Republican policy?’]

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And therein lies the place we all need to really get to in all public discourse. Honest dialogue about past and current actions - and intent! The truth is that most human beings are closer in hopes and dreams than we are apart. Getting to that field where we can honestly have those discussions and debates -with civility and no guns - seems to be the absolute essential thing we are kept from naturally doing for our survival. Mother Earth will endure no matter what. Humans? …………..we keep being compelled to make a “Hell of Heaven”.

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Journalistic integrity should intervene somewhere

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MLMinET

They lie, lie, lie...they always lie!

Follow the money, Eh!?

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I thought it was interesting yesterday listening to McCarthy say that they were wanting to bring the economy back to the robust years before the pandemic. My mind immediately said “Thanks to Obama!” The former guy’s economy was in good, steady shape. It was his to F-up, which his choices did. Neither Obama, nor Biden inherited such a gifted, steady economy. Yet had to spend their first years heaving it out of deep abysses the previous administrations drove it into.

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I enjoyed your navigation analogy being a blue water sailor myself. I hope our fellow citizens do not lose their point of sail and get themselves stuck in the doldrums of inaction.

Adjusting sails is continually needed. We just need to keep a steady course to the port of call - Winning in November.

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Karen N

Watch out for that BOOM!

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So well put!

Don't forget, tfg wanted to detonate a nuclear weapon inside of a hurricane, thought he could adjust the course of a storm with a Sharpie on a map, and claims he can declassify Top Secret National Intelligence documents by simply thinking about it.

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But he has a dozen Sharpies

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And let us not forget that Rick Scott has presented an R platform that clearly lays out the details behind this one page "policy paper." Everyone in the R cult is trying hard to pretend it does not exist, but...too late. The genie is out of the bottle.

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How can you say he didn’t rely on charts or electronic aides in office? He used his sharpie during the hurricane and Stephen Miller was a droid on the Death Star before hitching his wagon to the Dumpster Fire.

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Laurie (MA, VT)

The only electronic aide little donny relied up on was in the nightstand drawer on the other side of the bed!

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I'm going out on a limb here. Maybe I'm seeing a convergence of views between Heather here, today's Opinion Piece on the predecessor to the Big Lie being the Big Joke, and David Brooks on Washington Week last night. Or, it might just be me seeing the obvious that everyone else has knownall along. Brooks got me piecing some stuff on my Friday night walk.

David Brooks suggested this speech as the Republican twitching (my word) to becoming the party of the working man (albeit that there are working women). I think there might be something here. I reflect here on that twitch.

Democrats propose and tell you what they are doing (you need?) and the working man wants to know how their leader will manage or what they will manage. We think everyone wants or needs to know what we will do and why. All voices need to be heard and everyone gets to talk about the best way and the best measure and how to calculate and have the right sampling of our choice democratic demographics, etc.

Their new swing, probably apparent in much of the MAGA stuff, is in taping into voter imagining, not bogging down of the nuances or nitty gritty or which of what we said we would do to make the price of gas or groceries or how fast some thing from Amazon gets delivered or whether there will be enough Cabagge Patch Dolls available by December 15th (OK, I am showing my age). This twist is from what we will do (a detailed platform) to what we will (vaguely and perhaps contradictory to what we would makes connections to) promise. I think it a Platform of Euphemisms, but I'm an old progressive, number cruncher. Later, they know they can find the data points to match the broad promises or just drop them for another one or two to repeat and hammer at as success (e.g., how the economy took off after Trump got elected based upon the stock market or minority economic improvement basf upon a small improvement in employment rate as boomers left jobs and a slight rise in hourly wage rates).

I think this swing (or twitch) could be big. It may just work with the demographics we have targeted, nurtured, and counted on at the voting booth. It might explain why rural America went Red in the North and West. Or why Blacks and Hispanic voters are slipping away. We are the party of doing things, but not connecting what we did to the tapestry that working class folks just pay attention to. We over inform with the facts and fail in forming the message. We analyze and argue about methodology, data quality, and under-deliver in discussion, interpretation, and application (relevance, what's improved?). We count on numbers to deliver and fail to realize that the folks who vote do so based upon conclusions that are shared with them. What does it mean, not what did you find against some purist criteria? They don't live by the numbers or vote by the numbers for each promise, but rather on how your interpretation, the application, is convincing to them.

Call that dummying it all down, but the average voter (I'm tweaking us here) votes on how they feel what you tell them supports their belief or macro-understanding. And maybe, as reflected in a couple of numbers they can rely upon: e.g., stock market performance, favorability ratings of president, CPI. I think this could be the pivot to recreate the Republican party. Then again, this could just be me finally seeing the obvious to everyone else.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/brooks-and-tumulty-on-putins-war-in-ukraine-and-the-state-of-republican-politics?utm_source=PBS+NewsHour&utm_campaign=6fb178beb5-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2022_09_16_05_40_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_47f99db221-6fb178beb5-321115761

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Fred: Call that dummying it all down, but the average voter (I'm tweaking us here) votes on how they feel what you tell them supports their belief or macro-understanding. And maybe, as reflected in a couple of numbers they can rely upon: e.g., stock market performance, favorability ratings of president, CPI. I think this could be the pivot to recreate the Republican party. Then again, this could just be me finally seeing the obvious to everyone else.” This is the proverbial nail being hit upon it’s tiny head! Thanks for the description.

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Sep 24, 2022·edited Sep 24, 2022

Hey, don't disparage all cocktail napkin scrawls! My most brilliant projects were birthed in bars! With no Republicans at the table.

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Mary Pat Were your most brilliant brilliant napkin projects when you first came to the bar or after a number of swizzles?

The Laffler curve, done on a napkin in the 1970s, was the basis for the economic ‘trickle down’ theory that commenced with Reagan’s major tax cuts and later Trump’s 2017 massive tax giveaway to the very wealthy and to corporations.

I agree with Paul Kaufman’s rejection of ‘trickle down,’ in part because of the yellow drizzlies on the shoes of these trickle down doozies.

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Ha! I said "brilliant", not evil. Plus, I don't really drink alcohol. I like to consider it.

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