No, your "it is cognitively almost impossible" statement is the kind of head in the sand thinking that caused people to wake up on November 8 2016 and go "WTF happened???" Those people absolutely exist and they will still vote for Trump, many of them. Complacency is the enemy of victory. It has happened before and WILL happen again if we…
No, your "it is cognitively almost impossible" statement is the kind of head in the sand thinking that caused people to wake up on November 8 2016 and go "WTF happened???" Those people absolutely exist and they will still vote for Trump, many of them. Complacency is the enemy of victory. It has happened before and WILL happen again if we allow this kind of thinking to put down our guard.
You may "sincerely doubt it" but it can (and has) happened before. Don't think it can't happen again.
Instead of pondering our impressions and worst scenario thinking we follow people like this:
"After tonight’s debate there should be no doubt – no room for discussion – Kamala Harris is the only candidate in this race who is ready to be President.
I am once again urging everyone to roll up their sleeves and DO SOMETHING – phone bank, knock on doors, talk to any and everyone you know and urge them to vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. Every vote will matter in what will be a close race. We cannot afford to have anyone sitting on the sidelines. There’s simply too much at stake.
"My impression is that a lot of political experts and other commenters are conflating winning a debate with winning an election. People might agree that Harris won the debate, but they still might vote for Trump."
"My impression" and "People might " This is head in the sand thinking Sir.
It is smart politics to take the win when it comes along and build on that momentum.
I invite you to consider one of the leading political strategists in the Country, Simon Rosenberg. He is long on data and short on impressions. This is where I get my head in the sand thinking from:
"As I wrote yesterday I think we entered the debate in a far stronger electoral position than Republicans. We got a remarkable amount of very good polling yesterday. The VP strengthened her already strong hand last night, and more than ever before, I would much rather be us than them.
Kamala Harris had a plan last night and she executed on it. She had a job to do and she did it. She succeeded because she was clearly incredibly well prepared, and in that clear evidence of her preparation she also signaled to us that she was prepared to take on her next big job, as the 47th President of the United States of America.
Friends, sometimes things are complicated in politics. Sometimes they are simple. What happened last night was simple - she kicked his ass, and in the process generated powerful moments which will continue to give voters important information about her and him for many days and weeks to come. It was another remarkable moment in what has been one of the most remarkable and impressive political campaigns in our lifetimes."
Funny you should quote Rosenberg LOL. He is hardly an independent source of critique (but I expect you already know this). its interesting to that you quote his comment about the "great polling data" we've taken in while so many others on here are claiming how FALSE all the poling data is. ROFLMAO I tend to take neither side, I look at the polling data independently and draw my. Own conclusions.
Rosenberg is also a very biased source favoring Silicon Valley capitalist Democrats over more progressive Democrats (at least he gets the Democrat part right).
Rosenberg said in 1999, "Our problem as a party is that the biggest source of our venture capital now comes from labor, which is a group that's becoming less and less important, and representing less and less of a percentage of American voters. [...] We have to replace labor's investment in the party with investment from another source, and hopefully from a source that's growing." I.e. he favored the growing dominance of the Bill Clinton neolib wing of the party (which got us Bush II and Trump I.)
You are welcome to consider him a source to quote but it doesn't make my positions false or wrong. Even he apparently had realized some of the "errors" of his earlier positions, as he recently closed the NDN (New Democratic Network) which is now considered passe.
Scrolling forward 25 years here is a look at what Simon Rosenberg is doing these days. This is from his Substack site Hopium. There are a lot of solid activist opportunities.
Hard Work Is Good Work. And We Are Going TO Win! - Our community has been busting it’s ass on elections all across the country since I launched Hopium in March of last year, but our most important work is the work we are going to do now in these final two months. This section spells out my recommendations on where you can put your time and money, and of course you are free to volunteer and donate beyond what we are doing here. We are still a start up here at Hopium, and while we are now more than 110,000 proud patriots, I want to remain narrow and focused on the places where I think your money and time can make the biggest difference. That’s why we’ve focused on non-incumbent open seat and challengers races and the Presidential race of course.
I am particularly excited about new Thursday night calling and postcarding events for the House candidates most likely to turn red seats to blue ones and flip the House this November. We’ve had a great turnout, we get a lot of work done and have lots of fun. Join us! It’s where the cool kids spend their Thursday nights!!!!!!
In the coming days, as we get in more data about our new electoral landscape, I will be updating my recommendations. For background, here’s my post on the strategy behind our candidate and state party endorsements, including our Presidential battleground “check” and “checkmate” strategy. Sign up to call or postcard for Mondaire Jones (NY-17) at tonight’s Winning The House Thursday. These events have been well-attended and fun - join us if you can!
Contribute, volunteer and win with the Hopium community today:
Harris-Walz!!!!!! - 1,045,000 raised, $1m goal - Donate | Volunteer | Merch | The Harris-Walz YouTube Channel - Friends, we are now over $1m raised for Harris-Walz, our House candidates and our three “checkmate” states - so amazing all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Winning The House - $1,037,000 raised, $1.5m goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Sign Up For Our Thursday Night Winning The House Calling and Postcarding Series. Watch our recent discussion with Leader Hakeem Jeffries. To go deeper watch one of our interviews with our great candidates - Janelle Bynum (OR-5), George Whitesides (CA-27), Kirsten Engel (AZ-06) Will Rollins (CA-41), Laura Gillen (NY-04), Rudy Salas (CA-22), Josh Riley (NY-19), Tony Vargas (NE-02), Adam Gray (CA-13), Sue Altman (NJ-07) and Mondaire Jones (NY-17).
North Carolina - $452,000 raised, $500,000 goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with NC Dem Chair Anderson Clayton
Arizona/Ruben Gallego - $354,000 raised, $400,000 goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with Ruben Gallego
Nebraska/Blue Dot - $165,000 raised, $200,000 goal- Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with NE Dem Chair Jane Kleeb - and note for those who are focused on the Nebraska Senate race money into the NE Dem Party supports that race too. for elections listed.
Hard Work Is Good Work. And We Are Going TO Win! - Our community has been busting it’s ass on elections all across the country since I launched Hopium in March of last year, but our most important work is the work we are going to do now in these final two months. This section spells out my recommendations on where you can put your time and money, and of course you are free to volunteer and donate beyond what we are doing here. We are still a start up here at Hopium, and while we are now more than 110,000 proud patriots, I want to remain narrow and focused on the places where I think your money and time can make the biggest difference. That’s why we’ve focused on non-incumbent open seat and challengers races and the Presidential race of course.
I am particularly excited about new Thursday night calling and postcarding events for the House candidates most likely to turn red seats to blue ones and flip the House this November. We’ve had a great turnout, we get a lot of work done and have lots of fun. Join us! It’s where the cool kids spend their Thursday nights!!!!!!
In the coming days, as we get in more data about our new electoral landscape, I will be updating my recommendations. For background, here’s my post on the strategy behind our candidate and state party endorsements, including our Presidential battleground “check” and “checkmate” strategy. Sign up to call or postcard for Mondaire Jones (NY-17) at tonight’s Winning The House Thursday. These events have been well-attended and fun - join us if you can!
Contribute, volunteer and win with the Hopium community today:
Harris-Walz!!!!!! - 1,045,000 raised, $1m goal - Donate | Volunteer | Merch | The Harris-Walz YouTube Channel - Friends, we are now over $1m raised for Harris-Walz, our House candidates and our three “checkmate” states - so amazing all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Winning The House - $1,037,000 raised, $1.5m goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Sign Up For Our Thursday Night Winning The House Calling and Postcarding Series. Watch our recent discussion with Leader Hakeem Jeffries. To go deeper watch one of our interviews with our great candidates - Janelle Bynum (OR-5), George Whitesides (CA-27), Kirsten Engel (AZ-06) Will Rollins (CA-41), Laura Gillen (NY-04), Rudy Salas (CA-22), Josh Riley (NY-19), Tony Vargas (NE-02), Adam Gray (CA-13), Sue Altman (NJ-07) and Mondaire Jones (NY-17).
North Carolina - $452,000 raised, $500,000 goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with NC Dem Chair Anderson Clayton
Arizona/Ruben Gallego - $354,000 raised, $400,000 goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with Ruben Gallego
Nebraska/Blue Dot - $165,000 raised, $200,000 goal- Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with NE Dem Chair Jane Kleeb - and note for those who are focused on the Nebraska Senate race money into the NE Dem Party supports that race too.
No, your "it is cognitively almost impossible" statement is the kind of head in the sand thinking that caused people to wake up on November 8 2016 and go "WTF happened???" Those people absolutely exist and they will still vote for Trump, many of them. Complacency is the enemy of victory. It has happened before and WILL happen again if we allow this kind of thinking to put down our guard.
You may "sincerely doubt it" but it can (and has) happened before. Don't think it can't happen again.
Instead of pondering our impressions and worst scenario thinking we follow people like this:
"After tonight’s debate there should be no doubt – no room for discussion – Kamala Harris is the only candidate in this race who is ready to be President.
I am once again urging everyone to roll up their sleeves and DO SOMETHING – phone bank, knock on doors, talk to any and everyone you know and urge them to vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. Every vote will matter in what will be a close race. We cannot afford to have anyone sitting on the sidelines. There’s simply too much at stake.
Get involved today at go.KamalaHarris.com."
Michelle Obama
"My impression is that a lot of political experts and other commenters are conflating winning a debate with winning an election. People might agree that Harris won the debate, but they still might vote for Trump."
"My impression" and "People might " This is head in the sand thinking Sir.
It is smart politics to take the win when it comes along and build on that momentum.
I invite you to consider one of the leading political strategists in the Country, Simon Rosenberg. He is long on data and short on impressions. This is where I get my head in the sand thinking from:
"As I wrote yesterday I think we entered the debate in a far stronger electoral position than Republicans. We got a remarkable amount of very good polling yesterday. The VP strengthened her already strong hand last night, and more than ever before, I would much rather be us than them.
Kamala Harris had a plan last night and she executed on it. She had a job to do and she did it. She succeeded because she was clearly incredibly well prepared, and in that clear evidence of her preparation she also signaled to us that she was prepared to take on her next big job, as the 47th President of the United States of America.
Friends, sometimes things are complicated in politics. Sometimes they are simple. What happened last night was simple - she kicked his ass, and in the process generated powerful moments which will continue to give voters important information about her and him for many days and weeks to come. It was another remarkable moment in what has been one of the most remarkable and impressive political campaigns in our lifetimes."
Simon Rosenberg
Funny you should quote Rosenberg LOL. He is hardly an independent source of critique (but I expect you already know this). its interesting to that you quote his comment about the "great polling data" we've taken in while so many others on here are claiming how FALSE all the poling data is. ROFLMAO I tend to take neither side, I look at the polling data independently and draw my. Own conclusions.
Rosenberg is also a very biased source favoring Silicon Valley capitalist Democrats over more progressive Democrats (at least he gets the Democrat part right).
Rosenberg said in 1999, "Our problem as a party is that the biggest source of our venture capital now comes from labor, which is a group that's becoming less and less important, and representing less and less of a percentage of American voters. [...] We have to replace labor's investment in the party with investment from another source, and hopefully from a source that's growing." I.e. he favored the growing dominance of the Bill Clinton neolib wing of the party (which got us Bush II and Trump I.)
You are welcome to consider him a source to quote but it doesn't make my positions false or wrong. Even he apparently had realized some of the "errors" of his earlier positions, as he recently closed the NDN (New Democratic Network) which is now considered passe.
Scrolling forward 25 years here is a look at what Simon Rosenberg is doing these days. This is from his Substack site Hopium. There are a lot of solid activist opportunities.
Hard Work Is Good Work. And We Are Going TO Win! - Our community has been busting it’s ass on elections all across the country since I launched Hopium in March of last year, but our most important work is the work we are going to do now in these final two months. This section spells out my recommendations on where you can put your time and money, and of course you are free to volunteer and donate beyond what we are doing here. We are still a start up here at Hopium, and while we are now more than 110,000 proud patriots, I want to remain narrow and focused on the places where I think your money and time can make the biggest difference. That’s why we’ve focused on non-incumbent open seat and challengers races and the Presidential race of course.
I am particularly excited about new Thursday night calling and postcarding events for the House candidates most likely to turn red seats to blue ones and flip the House this November. We’ve had a great turnout, we get a lot of work done and have lots of fun. Join us! It’s where the cool kids spend their Thursday nights!!!!!!
In the coming days, as we get in more data about our new electoral landscape, I will be updating my recommendations. For background, here’s my post on the strategy behind our candidate and state party endorsements, including our Presidential battleground “check” and “checkmate” strategy. Sign up to call or postcard for Mondaire Jones (NY-17) at tonight’s Winning The House Thursday. These events have been well-attended and fun - join us if you can!
Contribute, volunteer and win with the Hopium community today:
Harris-Walz!!!!!! - 1,045,000 raised, $1m goal - Donate | Volunteer | Merch | The Harris-Walz YouTube Channel - Friends, we are now over $1m raised for Harris-Walz, our House candidates and our three “checkmate” states - so amazing all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Winning The House - $1,037,000 raised, $1.5m goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Sign Up For Our Thursday Night Winning The House Calling and Postcarding Series. Watch our recent discussion with Leader Hakeem Jeffries. To go deeper watch one of our interviews with our great candidates - Janelle Bynum (OR-5), George Whitesides (CA-27), Kirsten Engel (AZ-06) Will Rollins (CA-41), Laura Gillen (NY-04), Rudy Salas (CA-22), Josh Riley (NY-19), Tony Vargas (NE-02), Adam Gray (CA-13), Sue Altman (NJ-07) and Mondaire Jones (NY-17).
North Carolina - $452,000 raised, $500,000 goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with NC Dem Chair Anderson Clayton
Arizona/Ruben Gallego - $354,000 raised, $400,000 goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with Ruben Gallego
Nebraska/Blue Dot - $165,000 raised, $200,000 goal- Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with NE Dem Chair Jane Kleeb - and note for those who are focused on the Nebraska Senate race money into the NE Dem Party supports that race too. for elections listed.
Hard Work Is Good Work. And We Are Going TO Win! - Our community has been busting it’s ass on elections all across the country since I launched Hopium in March of last year, but our most important work is the work we are going to do now in these final two months. This section spells out my recommendations on where you can put your time and money, and of course you are free to volunteer and donate beyond what we are doing here. We are still a start up here at Hopium, and while we are now more than 110,000 proud patriots, I want to remain narrow and focused on the places where I think your money and time can make the biggest difference. That’s why we’ve focused on non-incumbent open seat and challengers races and the Presidential race of course.
I am particularly excited about new Thursday night calling and postcarding events for the House candidates most likely to turn red seats to blue ones and flip the House this November. We’ve had a great turnout, we get a lot of work done and have lots of fun. Join us! It’s where the cool kids spend their Thursday nights!!!!!!
In the coming days, as we get in more data about our new electoral landscape, I will be updating my recommendations. For background, here’s my post on the strategy behind our candidate and state party endorsements, including our Presidential battleground “check” and “checkmate” strategy. Sign up to call or postcard for Mondaire Jones (NY-17) at tonight’s Winning The House Thursday. These events have been well-attended and fun - join us if you can!
Contribute, volunteer and win with the Hopium community today:
Harris-Walz!!!!!! - 1,045,000 raised, $1m goal - Donate | Volunteer | Merch | The Harris-Walz YouTube Channel - Friends, we are now over $1m raised for Harris-Walz, our House candidates and our three “checkmate” states - so amazing all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Winning The House - $1,037,000 raised, $1.5m goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Sign Up For Our Thursday Night Winning The House Calling and Postcarding Series. Watch our recent discussion with Leader Hakeem Jeffries. To go deeper watch one of our interviews with our great candidates - Janelle Bynum (OR-5), George Whitesides (CA-27), Kirsten Engel (AZ-06) Will Rollins (CA-41), Laura Gillen (NY-04), Rudy Salas (CA-22), Josh Riley (NY-19), Tony Vargas (NE-02), Adam Gray (CA-13), Sue Altman (NJ-07) and Mondaire Jones (NY-17).
North Carolina - $452,000 raised, $500,000 goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with NC Dem Chair Anderson Clayton
Arizona/Ruben Gallego - $354,000 raised, $400,000 goal - Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with Ruben Gallego
Nebraska/Blue Dot - $165,000 raised, $200,000 goal- Donate | Volunteer | Learn More | Be sure to watch my interview with NE Dem Chair Jane Kleeb - and note for those who are focused on the Nebraska Senate race money into the NE Dem Party supports that race too.