I do not understood why men should have the right to tell women what they can do with their bodies. Some women, including the latest appointee to the Supreme Court, and men in positions of political power, have sought to set rules and punishment for those women who, for whatever reason, choose to abort a fetus. I find the religious ‘val…
I do not understood why men should have the right to tell women what they can do with their bodies. Some women, including the latest appointee to the Supreme Court, and men in positions of political power, have sought to set rules and punishment for those women who, for whatever reason, choose to abort a fetus. I find the religious ‘validation’ unconvincing. In one of the two versions of Genesis, Eve is castigated for eating the apple. Subsequently in the Old Testament (as opposed to the New Testament) man’s superiority over women is writ large.
Without a man, a woman can not get pregnant. Why is it, in the ‘moral’ argument against abortion, that the woman, rather than the man, is the culprit? I am appalled by the term ‘pro life.’ Even more so when the ‘pro lifers’ seek to legislate when a fetus becomes human. Were these ‘pro lifers’ true to their slogan, shouldn’t they be in the forefront of adopting unwanted babies? I am unaware of any ‘pro life’ organization that has its members in the forefront of adopting and caring for unwanted babies. At the same time, some of these purported ‘pro lifers’ have engaged in attacks on abortion clinics and doctors resulting in deaths.
I am appalled by the recent Texas law that empowers citizens to be abortion vigilantes with the inducement of up-to-$10,000 reward for identifying ‘violators. I am equally appalled by the politicalization that could result in our current Supreme Court sharply limiting or even overruling Roe vs. Wade. I believe that there are a diversity of reasons why a woman, with or without a man’s approval, chooses to have an abortion. Indeed, I am certain that the wives or incidental gift friends of some of the ‘pro lifers’ have had abortions. What gives males the right to determine what should occur when they impregnate women? If women are held legally responsible for the aftermath of a sex act, why wouldn’t it be fair to consider castration or some other penalty for the man? Horrors, many people would say. My riposte: then cease applying a double standard in the false ‘morality’ of the ‘pro lifers.’
Thank you. The term Pro life is used to criminalize women who are facing an unwanted pregnancy. To tell a woman she does not have the right to make a decision about her body and her life is criminal. Akin to slavery.
The term is deliberately misleading. In my experience, those most loudly claiming to be pro-life reject the (cost of) assisting the mother in: obtaining or maintaining health care, education, affordable housing, day care so the mother can work (all women “belong in the home” but then services require work), etc., etc.
If they were truly pro-life, they would oppose the death penalty. But they don’t. It’s not about being pro-life, it’s about control. The Catholic Church opposes both abortion and the death penalty (at least being consistent) and yet there is no discussion of withholding Communion from politicians who support the death penalty as there is for those who support women’s reproductive rights. I wonder how all our right wing Catholic Supreme Court justices can sleep, given their hypocrisy. (I am a lifelong Catholic, but I can no longer practice. The list of injustices perpetrated but the Church is just too long.)
Kathy, I’ve been reading the comments here today, and not yet responding to any, but yours struck a real chord with me. I have lifelong high school friends (from a small Catholic high school in Staten Island) who have left the Catholic Church and joined other Christian churches, much of their decision driven by the hypocrisy in the church. I, myself, thought of leaving but the sacraments were too important to me so I went back to Mass for that reason. At the Vigil Mass on Saturday evening our new pastor (who I had originally had high hopes for) gave his announcements at the end by addressing if the parish would impose a vaccine mandate. He stammered and stuttered through his talk, giving a tepid endorsement of vaccines, saying the Pope got a vaccine, then stressing that the church would not be mandating anything related to COVID. He spent more time telling why they weren’t being mandating them than telling everyone why they SHOULD get it. No taking care of your neighbors. No looking out for the old and the children. No advising to consult with a doctor. The bitter irony was the recessional hymn “They will know we are Christians by our love”. He will be getting an email from me this morning.
Annette, I can literally hear his wishy-washiness through your description. In contrast, my parish held daily Mass in defiance of our lockdown throughout 2020, and my elderly neighbors both caught Covid. Three weeks in the icu, but they survived. On the plus side, I love that hymn. The music and the sense of community is what I miss most.
“ Were these ‘pro lifers’ true to their slogan, shouldn’t they be in the forefront of adopting unwanted babies”
I assume most of THESE ‘pro lifers’ will/would not adopt. Although some evangelical institutions have made it their” social cause “ to promote adoption which contributes to the majority of US agencies having religious affiliations.
Legalized abortion reduces the amount of adoptable “orphans”. Some, usually from foreign countries with lax laws, are not actually “orphans”.
HHB’s ( Heinous Heartbeat Bills) will increase the number of white adoptees$$$.
Adoption and separating a child from it’s origins/ family has/will never been the answer.
Keith, this pro-choice adoptee always enjoys your comments !
I have to disagree that there will be more white adoptees. White women will do as they have always done. There will, however, be an increase in black, brown and biracial children, who are not being adopted as it is.
Good point,Barbara I agree that there will be a disproportionate number of black,brown and biracial children who will not be adopted as a result of these heinous laws
Although I do believe the HHB’s “will increase the number of white adoptees” $$$ .The history of adoption is not so pretty…
I do not understood why men should have the right to tell women what they can do with their bodies. Some women, including the latest appointee to the Supreme Court, and men in positions of political power, have sought to set rules and punishment for those women who, for whatever reason, choose to abort a fetus. I find the religious ‘validation’ unconvincing. In one of the two versions of Genesis, Eve is castigated for eating the apple. Subsequently in the Old Testament (as opposed to the New Testament) man’s superiority over women is writ large.
Without a man, a woman can not get pregnant. Why is it, in the ‘moral’ argument against abortion, that the woman, rather than the man, is the culprit? I am appalled by the term ‘pro life.’ Even more so when the ‘pro lifers’ seek to legislate when a fetus becomes human. Were these ‘pro lifers’ true to their slogan, shouldn’t they be in the forefront of adopting unwanted babies? I am unaware of any ‘pro life’ organization that has its members in the forefront of adopting and caring for unwanted babies. At the same time, some of these purported ‘pro lifers’ have engaged in attacks on abortion clinics and doctors resulting in deaths.
I am appalled by the recent Texas law that empowers citizens to be abortion vigilantes with the inducement of up-to-$10,000 reward for identifying ‘violators. I am equally appalled by the politicalization that could result in our current Supreme Court sharply limiting or even overruling Roe vs. Wade. I believe that there are a diversity of reasons why a woman, with or without a man’s approval, chooses to have an abortion. Indeed, I am certain that the wives or incidental gift friends of some of the ‘pro lifers’ have had abortions. What gives males the right to determine what should occur when they impregnate women? If women are held legally responsible for the aftermath of a sex act, why wouldn’t it be fair to consider castration or some other penalty for the man? Horrors, many people would say. My riposte: then cease applying a double standard in the false ‘morality’ of the ‘pro lifers.’
Thank you. The term Pro life is used to criminalize women who are facing an unwanted pregnancy. To tell a woman she does not have the right to make a decision about her body and her life is criminal. Akin to slavery.
The term is deliberately misleading. In my experience, those most loudly claiming to be pro-life reject the (cost of) assisting the mother in: obtaining or maintaining health care, education, affordable housing, day care so the mother can work (all women “belong in the home” but then services require work), etc., etc.
Pro birth is more accurate; pro birth to punish women is even more accurate.
Yes. Very calculated by patriarchal, white men.
Ahhhh. That's It! I forgot - women are slaves of men. Any men.
Chattel slavery, f'sure, because, you know, penis
saw a big sign on an idjt property: Freedom, my choice.
the idiocy of lack of reasoning
Freedom: my body, my choice...
If they were truly pro-life, they would oppose the death penalty. But they don’t. It’s not about being pro-life, it’s about control. The Catholic Church opposes both abortion and the death penalty (at least being consistent) and yet there is no discussion of withholding Communion from politicians who support the death penalty as there is for those who support women’s reproductive rights. I wonder how all our right wing Catholic Supreme Court justices can sleep, given their hypocrisy. (I am a lifelong Catholic, but I can no longer practice. The list of injustices perpetrated but the Church is just too long.)
Kathy, I’ve been reading the comments here today, and not yet responding to any, but yours struck a real chord with me. I have lifelong high school friends (from a small Catholic high school in Staten Island) who have left the Catholic Church and joined other Christian churches, much of their decision driven by the hypocrisy in the church. I, myself, thought of leaving but the sacraments were too important to me so I went back to Mass for that reason. At the Vigil Mass on Saturday evening our new pastor (who I had originally had high hopes for) gave his announcements at the end by addressing if the parish would impose a vaccine mandate. He stammered and stuttered through his talk, giving a tepid endorsement of vaccines, saying the Pope got a vaccine, then stressing that the church would not be mandating anything related to COVID. He spent more time telling why they weren’t being mandating them than telling everyone why they SHOULD get it. No taking care of your neighbors. No looking out for the old and the children. No advising to consult with a doctor. The bitter irony was the recessional hymn “They will know we are Christians by our love”. He will be getting an email from me this morning.
Annette, I can literally hear his wishy-washiness through your description. In contrast, my parish held daily Mass in defiance of our lockdown throughout 2020, and my elderly neighbors both caught Covid. Three weeks in the icu, but they survived. On the plus side, I love that hymn. The music and the sense of community is what I miss most.
Tell that new pastor, Annette!
same
Perpetrated *by* the Church. Sigh.
“ Were these ‘pro lifers’ true to their slogan, shouldn’t they be in the forefront of adopting unwanted babies”
I assume most of THESE ‘pro lifers’ will/would not adopt. Although some evangelical institutions have made it their” social cause “ to promote adoption which contributes to the majority of US agencies having religious affiliations.
Legalized abortion reduces the amount of adoptable “orphans”. Some, usually from foreign countries with lax laws, are not actually “orphans”.
HHB’s ( Heinous Heartbeat Bills) will increase the number of white adoptees$$$.
Adoption and separating a child from it’s origins/ family has/will never been the answer.
Keith, this pro-choice adoptee always enjoys your comments !
I have to disagree that there will be more white adoptees. White women will do as they have always done. There will, however, be an increase in black, brown and biracial children, who are not being adopted as it is.
Good point,Barbara I agree that there will be a disproportionate number of black,brown and biracial children who will not be adopted as a result of these heinous laws
Although I do believe the HHB’s “will increase the number of white adoptees” $$$ .The history of adoption is not so pretty…
#whiteadoptee
Amy Conan Barrett has adopted children which gives her the right to judge, condemn and jeopardize the life of any pregnant woman.
I meant Coney as in
most excellent reasoning