democrats signed off on the military budget too, don't think they're not at fault here... dems and reps only serve the upper class, but dems are just nice enough to throw some table scraps our way
democrats signed off on the military budget too, don't think they're not at fault here... dems and reps only serve the upper class, but dems are just nice enough to throw some table scraps our way
This is why we really need the progressive branch of the Democratic party. And they can't just come up with ideas, they have to persuade Trump's base! We have to persuade them that they really are not better off than they were four years ago. Other Republicans, too, need to be persuaded.
we absolutely DO NOT need to continue to validate and support the Democratic capitalist class. We already have a progressive wing of the Democratic party, and they get shutdown constantly. None of the progressive movements made it to the official party platform in 2016 or 2020. It's time for a worker's party, a people's party. We've seen how Trump and his party was incapable, now Biden will show us how Democrats are also incapable. We need a third party of regular everyday Americans that fights for us, and this party can gut both of the self-imploding capitalist parties.
I hear what you're saying, but you run smack into the problem of pragmatism vs. idealism. There's plenty of third parties. I've supported Greens for probably 30 years. I still think Ralph Nader would have been this country's best choice in 2000. He's the only one in recent memory who even moved the needle. What did he get for his effort? Eternal blame for costing Al Gore the presidency and thence the second war in Iraq, whether he deserves it or not. You can go back to Ross Perot, and John Anderson before him, which is as far back as my memory goes. Any slightly viable third party seems only to play the spoiler role, and kill the chances of the major party candidate most closely aligned. So what do you do? It's a tough nut. As it stands, our system is designed for two parties. Ranked choice voting opens the door for third parties to become effective vehicles for change. But it's slow going. I've heard talk of it for at least 25 years, but it's only recently begun to be implemented, statewide in Maine I believe, and maybe on municipal levels elsewhere. It seems like the best hope I'm aware of, but has barely broken through the public consciousness as of yet.
we have to abolish the fake duopoly, the dictatorship of capital. i think it starts with a strong labor movement. whether or not dems/reps appeal to the movement is up to them. but i think a lot more people are catching on to the slight of hand that is the capitalist duopoly.
You won't get much argument from me about the problems with capitalism. But the duopoly is definitely real, not fake. I'm all for a much stronger labor movement. I've got almost 25 years in a Union, and am politically active within it. That's why I brought up the pragmatic/idealist problem. We run into it regularly. But if you want to see change at the ground level you kind of have to play the game with all the other players. Otherwise you either need a revolution or your shouting in the wilderness. I don't mind a good shout on occasion, but revolutions seem difficult.
I'm absolutely shouting in the wilderness. I've been cooped up in my damn house 24/7 working from home and I feel like the world is passing me by. I'm watching all this shit happen in the media and I feel like I don't have a voice or an impact. not sure what to do, just tired of watching people across the country suffer from the virus while our leaders do nothing. but I do feel that the revolution has begun, not as single act of resistance, but as a collective shift in thought as we all simultaneously watch the slow yet inevitable implosion of capitalism
democrats signed off on the military budget too, don't think they're not at fault here... dems and reps only serve the upper class, but dems are just nice enough to throw some table scraps our way
This is why we really need the progressive branch of the Democratic party. And they can't just come up with ideas, they have to persuade Trump's base! We have to persuade them that they really are not better off than they were four years ago. Other Republicans, too, need to be persuaded.
we absolutely DO NOT need to continue to validate and support the Democratic capitalist class. We already have a progressive wing of the Democratic party, and they get shutdown constantly. None of the progressive movements made it to the official party platform in 2016 or 2020. It's time for a worker's party, a people's party. We've seen how Trump and his party was incapable, now Biden will show us how Democrats are also incapable. We need a third party of regular everyday Americans that fights for us, and this party can gut both of the self-imploding capitalist parties.
I hear what you're saying, but you run smack into the problem of pragmatism vs. idealism. There's plenty of third parties. I've supported Greens for probably 30 years. I still think Ralph Nader would have been this country's best choice in 2000. He's the only one in recent memory who even moved the needle. What did he get for his effort? Eternal blame for costing Al Gore the presidency and thence the second war in Iraq, whether he deserves it or not. You can go back to Ross Perot, and John Anderson before him, which is as far back as my memory goes. Any slightly viable third party seems only to play the spoiler role, and kill the chances of the major party candidate most closely aligned. So what do you do? It's a tough nut. As it stands, our system is designed for two parties. Ranked choice voting opens the door for third parties to become effective vehicles for change. But it's slow going. I've heard talk of it for at least 25 years, but it's only recently begun to be implemented, statewide in Maine I believe, and maybe on municipal levels elsewhere. It seems like the best hope I'm aware of, but has barely broken through the public consciousness as of yet.
we have to abolish the fake duopoly, the dictatorship of capital. i think it starts with a strong labor movement. whether or not dems/reps appeal to the movement is up to them. but i think a lot more people are catching on to the slight of hand that is the capitalist duopoly.
You won't get much argument from me about the problems with capitalism. But the duopoly is definitely real, not fake. I'm all for a much stronger labor movement. I've got almost 25 years in a Union, and am politically active within it. That's why I brought up the pragmatic/idealist problem. We run into it regularly. But if you want to see change at the ground level you kind of have to play the game with all the other players. Otherwise you either need a revolution or your shouting in the wilderness. I don't mind a good shout on occasion, but revolutions seem difficult.
I'm absolutely shouting in the wilderness. I've been cooped up in my damn house 24/7 working from home and I feel like the world is passing me by. I'm watching all this shit happen in the media and I feel like I don't have a voice or an impact. not sure what to do, just tired of watching people across the country suffer from the virus while our leaders do nothing. but I do feel that the revolution has begun, not as single act of resistance, but as a collective shift in thought as we all simultaneously watch the slow yet inevitable implosion of capitalism
I hear you. I just donтАЩt know if I agree. IтАЩm hopeful that Biden, with Harris, will move things further left. But, I hear your warning, too.