Tom, google and read "The Anger Games . . ." and then come back on. What is your explanation as to why Christian evangelicals support Trump? What is it about him that they like?
Tom, google and read "The Anger Games . . ." and then come back on. What is your explanation as to why Christian evangelicals support Trump? What is it about him that they like?
I read/scrolled through it. Again, you’re focusing on Christian evangelicals/ nationalists as if they are the entirety of Trump’s support. I don’t believe that to be the case.
As to what it is about Trump they like; it would probably depend on the individual, although there are probably a dozen or so buckets into which the answers would fall; end of times rapture to owning the libs to celebrity worship.
Tom, do you have kids, or grandchildren, or nieces and nephews you're close to?
I think I would think a lot like you seem to, with the "I'm not going to vote for the lesser of two evils anymore, but only support those that are not at all evil but truly on the sides of the people" if I didn't have young folks (my 19 year old grandson) that's going to inherit this insane, fucked-up bizarro world.
George Carlin used to say something like "You can participate in the circus or just observe the circus, and I'm an observer", and I am, even with my progeny at stake, tempted to just throw up my hands and say "Fuck all you all!". But I know I can't.
Money is the root of all our political problems, but allowing a narcissistic nihilist like Trump to have a second term isn't going to allow things to get better, quickly, slowly, at all.
I do; kids, nieces, nephews. I understand your thought process here, as am surrounded by it (look at most of the commenters here), just disagree with it. I think the only hope we have is the building of a working class coalition sufficient to counter the power of capital. I don’t think the Democratic Party is capable of building that coalition, as it is captured, just as much as the GOP, by monied interests.
I have the same concerns as you for the future our kids are going to inherit; climate chaos, war, civil unrest, shortages of necessities, etc. And absent the aforementioned coalition, those are most definitely coming… sooner rather than later.
This comes down, politically, to tactical/strategic questions. Most Americans, having grown up in a capitalist country, in a political duopoly, think that system is all we have to work with. I think that system (both parts of it) has to be overthrown, preferably nonviolently, or the future will be dystopian.
That’s a scary thought. And it’s what keeps most people from stepping away from the duopoly paradigm, whether on the right or the left. You have the hope in you that the Democratic Party can fix things. I used to share that hope. I don’t anymore.
Do what you think is right, for the future. Peace, t
I thoroughly think that what you say is the goal, but I don't believe it's remotely achievable until Donald Trump is forever in our rearview mirrors, and the Talibangelicals and KKKristian types have been defeated sufficiently to crawl back in their holes and shut TF up.
The only way that defeat happens, unless there is a radical change in the makeup of the Democratic Party, will be due to the increasing extremism of the GOP resulting in massive protest and social unrest, to the point that it begins to affect the bottom line of corporate interests.
Tom, you write: " I don’t think the Democratic Party is capable of building that coalition, as it is captured, just as much as the GOP, by monied interests."
That is categorically false. The proof to the contrary is so overwhelming that there is no need to itemize them, the Inflation Reduction Act being just one example.
No, it is true. Read Levers of Power. Read Democracy Incorporated. Read Status Coup.
You can name any piece of legislation passed in the past four decades, and dollars to doughnuts it will have been watered down to benefit capital at the expense of the people, with the aid of Democrats. The only time you see Democrats confront capital is verbally, when they are in the minority, or when capital already has enough Democratic votes for their preferred version of legislation to pass, and Democratic opposition is performance theater.
I admire the tenacity with which you lemmings on Team Blue can ignore your own elected congressional representatives’ corporate fealty. Kinda touching, in a ‘go team’ kind of way; but also disgusting, in that the refusal to look in the mirror and acknowledge the responsibility your side holds for the rise of GOP insanity just cements the continuation of the madness.
I have a couple. The first would be to never, ever, cast a vote in a Democratic primary for a candidate based on anything other than how the candidate’s policy platform aligns with what you think would be best for America, in a utopian way. Put another way, never, ever, allow the concept of perceived ‘electability’ to influence your vote. Had that been the case, the Dems would have had Sanders running against Trump in both cases, and we could have had a contest without neoliberal influence for the first time since Clinton and the DLC hijacked the Party from the FDR Dems in the early 90s.
In other words, if you want to see Medicare For All, vote for that, and nothing less.
You might say, but what if we lose? To that question, I would respond with a quote from I.F. Stone: “The only kinds of fights worth fighting are those you are going to lose, because somebody has to fight them and lose and lose and lose until someday, somebody who believes as you do wins. In order for somebody to win an important, major fight 100 years hence, a lot of other people have got to be willing — for the sheer fun and joy of it — to go right ahead and fight, knowing you’re going to lose. You mustn’t feel like a martyr. You’ve got to enjoy it.”
The second thing is to always advocate, in every instance, for workers over capital interests, and never, ever accept legislative crumbs when the legislation would increase wealth inequality by lining corporate coffers more than workers pockets. A classic example is the ACA. At its inception, it, while falling short of MFA, would have at least provided guaranteed premium relief via a public option. By the time the threat of capital strikes from Health Insurers and Big Pharma, and the associated cowardice of bought and paid for elected officials was done, the final product was a mess, and saddled the Democrats with a legacy of not be able to fix a problem.
Tom, all you need to do is to read the study. It isn't that long. Don't fall into the "confirmation bias" trap. The professors identify concrete reasons.
Tom, google and read "The Anger Games . . ." and then come back on. What is your explanation as to why Christian evangelicals support Trump? What is it about him that they like?
Right, because Trump sure a hell isn’t christian.
I read/scrolled through it. Again, you’re focusing on Christian evangelicals/ nationalists as if they are the entirety of Trump’s support. I don’t believe that to be the case.
As to what it is about Trump they like; it would probably depend on the individual, although there are probably a dozen or so buckets into which the answers would fall; end of times rapture to owning the libs to celebrity worship.
Tom, what were the principal findings of the study? Why did those folks vote for Trump?
I give up, Richard. What were they? And why did they vote for Trump.
Let me guess. They were deplorable.
Do I get a prize?
Tom, do you have kids, or grandchildren, or nieces and nephews you're close to?
I think I would think a lot like you seem to, with the "I'm not going to vote for the lesser of two evils anymore, but only support those that are not at all evil but truly on the sides of the people" if I didn't have young folks (my 19 year old grandson) that's going to inherit this insane, fucked-up bizarro world.
George Carlin used to say something like "You can participate in the circus or just observe the circus, and I'm an observer", and I am, even with my progeny at stake, tempted to just throw up my hands and say "Fuck all you all!". But I know I can't.
Money is the root of all our political problems, but allowing a narcissistic nihilist like Trump to have a second term isn't going to allow things to get better, quickly, slowly, at all.
I do; kids, nieces, nephews. I understand your thought process here, as am surrounded by it (look at most of the commenters here), just disagree with it. I think the only hope we have is the building of a working class coalition sufficient to counter the power of capital. I don’t think the Democratic Party is capable of building that coalition, as it is captured, just as much as the GOP, by monied interests.
I have the same concerns as you for the future our kids are going to inherit; climate chaos, war, civil unrest, shortages of necessities, etc. And absent the aforementioned coalition, those are most definitely coming… sooner rather than later.
This comes down, politically, to tactical/strategic questions. Most Americans, having grown up in a capitalist country, in a political duopoly, think that system is all we have to work with. I think that system (both parts of it) has to be overthrown, preferably nonviolently, or the future will be dystopian.
That’s a scary thought. And it’s what keeps most people from stepping away from the duopoly paradigm, whether on the right or the left. You have the hope in you that the Democratic Party can fix things. I used to share that hope. I don’t anymore.
Do what you think is right, for the future. Peace, t
Ok, we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I thoroughly think that what you say is the goal, but I don't believe it's remotely achievable until Donald Trump is forever in our rearview mirrors, and the Talibangelicals and KKKristian types have been defeated sufficiently to crawl back in their holes and shut TF up.
The only way that defeat happens, unless there is a radical change in the makeup of the Democratic Party, will be due to the increasing extremism of the GOP resulting in massive protest and social unrest, to the point that it begins to affect the bottom line of corporate interests.
Tom, you write: " I don’t think the Democratic Party is capable of building that coalition, as it is captured, just as much as the GOP, by monied interests."
That is categorically false. The proof to the contrary is so overwhelming that there is no need to itemize them, the Inflation Reduction Act being just one example.
No, it is true. Read Levers of Power. Read Democracy Incorporated. Read Status Coup.
You can name any piece of legislation passed in the past four decades, and dollars to doughnuts it will have been watered down to benefit capital at the expense of the people, with the aid of Democrats. The only time you see Democrats confront capital is verbally, when they are in the minority, or when capital already has enough Democratic votes for their preferred version of legislation to pass, and Democratic opposition is performance theater.
I admire the tenacity with which you lemmings on Team Blue can ignore your own elected congressional representatives’ corporate fealty. Kinda touching, in a ‘go team’ kind of way; but also disgusting, in that the refusal to look in the mirror and acknowledge the responsibility your side holds for the rise of GOP insanity just cements the continuation of the madness.
So what is your solution, Tom? What do you recommend we do?
I have a couple. The first would be to never, ever, cast a vote in a Democratic primary for a candidate based on anything other than how the candidate’s policy platform aligns with what you think would be best for America, in a utopian way. Put another way, never, ever, allow the concept of perceived ‘electability’ to influence your vote. Had that been the case, the Dems would have had Sanders running against Trump in both cases, and we could have had a contest without neoliberal influence for the first time since Clinton and the DLC hijacked the Party from the FDR Dems in the early 90s.
In other words, if you want to see Medicare For All, vote for that, and nothing less.
You might say, but what if we lose? To that question, I would respond with a quote from I.F. Stone: “The only kinds of fights worth fighting are those you are going to lose, because somebody has to fight them and lose and lose and lose until someday, somebody who believes as you do wins. In order for somebody to win an important, major fight 100 years hence, a lot of other people have got to be willing — for the sheer fun and joy of it — to go right ahead and fight, knowing you’re going to lose. You mustn’t feel like a martyr. You’ve got to enjoy it.”
The second thing is to always advocate, in every instance, for workers over capital interests, and never, ever accept legislative crumbs when the legislation would increase wealth inequality by lining corporate coffers more than workers pockets. A classic example is the ACA. At its inception, it, while falling short of MFA, would have at least provided guaranteed premium relief via a public option. By the time the threat of capital strikes from Health Insurers and Big Pharma, and the associated cowardice of bought and paid for elected officials was done, the final product was a mess, and saddled the Democrats with a legacy of not be able to fix a problem.
Tom, all you need to do is to read the study. It isn't that long. Don't fall into the "confirmation bias" trap. The professors identify concrete reasons.