Why the constant National obsession to blame a woman (Hilary Clinton) for everything that happened after she was defeated? I have never heard Gore being blamed for Bush or LBJ being blamed for what happened after he didn't run. I propose we move on. Bernie siphoned votes from the Clinton campaign and helped divide the Party and weaken…
Why the constant National obsession to blame a woman (Hilary Clinton) for everything that happened after she was defeated? I have never heard Gore being blamed for Bush or LBJ being blamed for what happened after he didn't run. I propose we move on. Bernie siphoned votes from the Clinton campaign and helped divide the Party and weaken her further in the Press. I very much appreciated his uniting behind Biden in 2020.
Your words are telling: "This is why they are losing." They? Siphoning votes from the Democrats are absolutely helping the Republicans win. Nothing gets my ire up more than this fact.
Agree 100%. Disappointing rhetoric from commenters today. It’s either about Trump being a loser but still winning or Hilary being a winner but still losing. And saying she lost because she was married to Bill? She lost because of everyone foolish enough to waste votes on Bernie Sanders. Those weren’t votes for Bernie. Those ended up being votes for Trump.
Agree. I don't know why this is such a difficult thing to grasp. Progressives have a Bernie cult as much as there is a trump cult which results in tunnel vision. This Country is in massive denial at the rampant, blatant and disgusting misogyny that exists in the United States. Hilary Clinton bears the projection of that national misogyny more than anyone woman I know of. It makes me sick.
NOT a cult; Sen Sanders discourages that and instead tries to promote more progressive candidates like AOC. Good for him. Progressivism won’t die when he does because he goes out of his way to build movements, not cults of personality. He uses “OUR” and “WE” because he wNts to be replacable by younger people like AOC.
Is that why Bernie immediately stated he'll run for President in 2024 when it appeared in the media that a younger progressive--Ro Khanna--would do so if Biden didn't run?
What the heck is going on today? I've been increasingly less interested in, and less active on, the forum for weeks now, but today is out of control. I sound like an old fuddy-duddy, but the quality of the conversation has deteriorated substantially in the last few months. Thanks for still being here, Christine. I always value your contributions.
Actually like Dems always do they bent over backwards to give him a fair shot. To my mind he didn’t have a chance in hell and they should have set clearer and more firm boundaries and not have allowed him to hitch a ride on the wagon
Why? What had Bernie Sanders ever done for the Democratic Party in 2015? He had stated for decades he hated the Democratic Party; he had never worked to get Democrats elected, sent out 1 fundraising letter for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Fund.
Bernie was/is an Independent--he never changed his Senate designation even as he ran as a Democrat for President. It's hard to get more obviously hypocritical than that.
Bernie should've run as an Independent in 2016. If he had, the response he got in that election would've given him the money and time to build out his own campaign infrastructure to run as an Independent in 2020. Then he would have been a serious contender.
Fair shot? At the Democratic party nomination? He’s not a Democrat, he was able to run, and he didn’t win. I don’t understand why he had a shot at all at the Democratic nomination, although I’m extremely glad he didn’t choose to run as an independent. I wish Bernie supporters could hear how much they sound like Trump when they complain that the primary election wasn’t fair (rigged, anyone?). Your guy didn’t win. Convince more people that those are the best policies for the nation, and maybe the next person will.
I like many of Bernie’s policies, and I like how he’s moved the Democratic Party on these issues. But I can’t stand him as an individual. There might be a time when a female candidate can be as disheveled and strident as he is and gain support, but I doubt it. He and his campaign were misogynistic at best. I also saw him as completely unelectable, and had he won, his inability to work with others and actually pass legislation would have hurt the country.
Fair? What in the world does that even mean in National Politics? This isn't a school yard game. The Progressive Movement will be a lot more credible when the whining and blaming ends.
Why the constant National obsession to blame a woman (Hilary Clinton) for everything that happened after she was defeated? I have never heard Gore being blamed for Bush or LBJ being blamed for what happened after he didn't run. I propose we move on. Bernie siphoned votes from the Clinton campaign and helped divide the Party and weaken her further in the Press. I very much appreciated his uniting behind Biden in 2020.
Your words are telling: "This is why they are losing." They? Siphoning votes from the Democrats are absolutely helping the Republicans win. Nothing gets my ire up more than this fact.
Agree 100%. Disappointing rhetoric from commenters today. It’s either about Trump being a loser but still winning or Hilary being a winner but still losing. And saying she lost because she was married to Bill? She lost because of everyone foolish enough to waste votes on Bernie Sanders. Those weren’t votes for Bernie. Those ended up being votes for Trump.
Salud, Barbara.
Agree. I don't know why this is such a difficult thing to grasp. Progressives have a Bernie cult as much as there is a trump cult which results in tunnel vision. This Country is in massive denial at the rampant, blatant and disgusting misogyny that exists in the United States. Hilary Clinton bears the projection of that national misogyny more than anyone woman I know of. It makes me sick.
Attempted like
NOT a cult; Sen Sanders discourages that and instead tries to promote more progressive candidates like AOC. Good for him. Progressivism won’t die when he does because he goes out of his way to build movements, not cults of personality. He uses “OUR” and “WE” because he wNts to be replacable by younger people like AOC.
Is that why Bernie immediately stated he'll run for President in 2024 when it appeared in the media that a younger progressive--Ro Khanna--would do so if Biden didn't run?
Don’t forget Jill Stein’s role in siphoning votes in critical Midwest states. Just as Ralph Nader did in Florida in 2000.
Hear, hear! I’m starting to lose my temper…
I lost mine realizing the forum today is all about Trump. And somehow blaming Clinton. Both of them.
Salud, KR.
What the heck is going on today? I've been increasingly less interested in, and less active on, the forum for weeks now, but today is out of control. I sound like an old fuddy-duddy, but the quality of the conversation has deteriorated substantially in the last few months. Thanks for still being here, Christine. I always value your contributions.
Bernie Sanders should have been given a fair shot. Period.
Actually like Dems always do they bent over backwards to give him a fair shot. To my mind he didn’t have a chance in hell and they should have set clearer and more firm boundaries and not have allowed him to hitch a ride on the wagon
Good points.
Why? What had Bernie Sanders ever done for the Democratic Party in 2015? He had stated for decades he hated the Democratic Party; he had never worked to get Democrats elected, sent out 1 fundraising letter for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Fund.
Bernie was/is an Independent--he never changed his Senate designation even as he ran as a Democrat for President. It's hard to get more obviously hypocritical than that.
Bernie should've run as an Independent in 2016. If he had, the response he got in that election would've given him the money and time to build out his own campaign infrastructure to run as an Independent in 2020. Then he would have been a serious contender.
Excellent points.
Fair shot? At the Democratic party nomination? He’s not a Democrat, he was able to run, and he didn’t win. I don’t understand why he had a shot at all at the Democratic nomination, although I’m extremely glad he didn’t choose to run as an independent. I wish Bernie supporters could hear how much they sound like Trump when they complain that the primary election wasn’t fair (rigged, anyone?). Your guy didn’t win. Convince more people that those are the best policies for the nation, and maybe the next person will.
I like many of Bernie’s policies, and I like how he’s moved the Democratic Party on these issues. But I can’t stand him as an individual. There might be a time when a female candidate can be as disheveled and strident as he is and gain support, but I doubt it. He and his campaign were misogynistic at best. I also saw him as completely unelectable, and had he won, his inability to work with others and actually pass legislation would have hurt the country.
Fair? What in the world does that even mean in National Politics? This isn't a school yard game. The Progressive Movement will be a lot more credible when the whining and blaming ends.