Fair enough, MLRGRMI, except for two things. I can't speak for other independents, but it never occurred to me to "leave it to the Democrats". I actually didn't believe that there were enough Republicans stupid (or cynical) enough to elect this clown, Trump. I was wrong. And second, I don't "identify" as an "Independent". I think of myse…
Fair enough, MLRGRMI, except for two things. I can't speak for other independents, but it never occurred to me to "leave it to the Democrats". I actually didn't believe that there were enough Republicans stupid (or cynical) enough to elect this clown, Trump. I was wrong. And second, I don't "identify" as an "Independent". I think of myself as an independent voter precisely because I don't identify as either a Democrat or a Republican. Ciao.
Are you foolish enough to believe Democratic and Republican voters are a monolith and stick together like a school of fish or lemmings choosing to walk over a cliff? The arrogance of Independent Voters really gets my goat. All voters make their final decisions at the poll on election day, not during the primary. Independents make the party affiliated choose the candidates along with the issues and then complain about their choices. Try being involved in choosing the policies and issues that matter and the candidates that support them when you have a choice. Sitting back and doing your Monday morning quarterbacking is offensive.
"All voters make their final decisions at the poll on election day, not during the primary."
That's a pretty broad brush you're trying to tar independent voters with, and the above statement about "all voters" just isn't true.
I'm proof that it's not. I make my decisions about who I will vote for well before the election day arrives. I learn as much as I can about the candidates, what they stand for, what they support, and any past actions they've made that might indicate what they're likely to do in the term of office. I'm doing what I believe is a sane, rational way to put people into elective offices who will promote the ideas and institutions that serve us all.
When I enter the polling place, I am armed with facts and data that support my decisions. I know not everyone casts votes using my way, but I also know I am not the only one who uses this way to cast their own votes.
I replied in anger. I was replying in frustration. I prepare my decision for whom I vote in much the same way as you. Yes, extending my comment to "all" was immature and incorrect. I set the deadline for the final decision at poll day because until you cast your ballot you can change your mind. What if something was revealed that exposed the candidate was hiding something egregious? Look at what happened to Hillary. Folks showed in polling they supported her. Then the FBI reopened the email case I believe. Her numbers fell precipitously and she lost. Afterwards, she was not charged with any crime, civil or criminal. The person who swept up those voters is trying to destroy our democracy either through ignorance or malice or something in between. Look at what happened to Santos. Oh right, he wasn't exposed until after the election. Do you consider those voters to have failed in their diligence or in their inability to see through the lies much as those who chose Trump as the lesser of evils.
Gee Paula, In one short paragraph you’ve managed to call me foolish, arrogant, ignorant of the voting process, uninvolved and an offensive Monday morning quarterback. Nice job, and please remind me never to get on your bad side. It may or may not interest you to know that in my very red state you aren’t even ALLOWED to vote for primary candidates as a registered Independent. I handle it in my own way, which I won’t go into here because it would very likely get me shot if my neighbors got wind of it. But don’t you worry about all that; you’ve got me PEGGED!
Sorry, this is a fight I have with my brother. He's an independent and he denigrates me for being a registered Democrat so that I can vote in the primary. I was a registered Republican before the Iraq war. That's when Bush burst my bubble and I learned to question agendas on both sides of the political spectrum. I decided I just don't belong in the Bootstrap Club. I've seen too much of life to believe that propaganda. Good luck with your guerilla warfare. I'd like the nation to move to ranked choice voting rather than primaries.
Fair enough, MLRGRMI, except for two things. I can't speak for other independents, but it never occurred to me to "leave it to the Democrats". I actually didn't believe that there were enough Republicans stupid (or cynical) enough to elect this clown, Trump. I was wrong. And second, I don't "identify" as an "Independent". I think of myself as an independent voter precisely because I don't identify as either a Democrat or a Republican. Ciao.
Are you foolish enough to believe Democratic and Republican voters are a monolith and stick together like a school of fish or lemmings choosing to walk over a cliff? The arrogance of Independent Voters really gets my goat. All voters make their final decisions at the poll on election day, not during the primary. Independents make the party affiliated choose the candidates along with the issues and then complain about their choices. Try being involved in choosing the policies and issues that matter and the candidates that support them when you have a choice. Sitting back and doing your Monday morning quarterbacking is offensive.
"All voters make their final decisions at the poll on election day, not during the primary."
That's a pretty broad brush you're trying to tar independent voters with, and the above statement about "all voters" just isn't true.
I'm proof that it's not. I make my decisions about who I will vote for well before the election day arrives. I learn as much as I can about the candidates, what they stand for, what they support, and any past actions they've made that might indicate what they're likely to do in the term of office. I'm doing what I believe is a sane, rational way to put people into elective offices who will promote the ideas and institutions that serve us all.
When I enter the polling place, I am armed with facts and data that support my decisions. I know not everyone casts votes using my way, but I also know I am not the only one who uses this way to cast their own votes.
I replied in anger. I was replying in frustration. I prepare my decision for whom I vote in much the same way as you. Yes, extending my comment to "all" was immature and incorrect. I set the deadline for the final decision at poll day because until you cast your ballot you can change your mind. What if something was revealed that exposed the candidate was hiding something egregious? Look at what happened to Hillary. Folks showed in polling they supported her. Then the FBI reopened the email case I believe. Her numbers fell precipitously and she lost. Afterwards, she was not charged with any crime, civil or criminal. The person who swept up those voters is trying to destroy our democracy either through ignorance or malice or something in between. Look at what happened to Santos. Oh right, he wasn't exposed until after the election. Do you consider those voters to have failed in their diligence or in their inability to see through the lies much as those who chose Trump as the lesser of evils.
Gee Paula, In one short paragraph you’ve managed to call me foolish, arrogant, ignorant of the voting process, uninvolved and an offensive Monday morning quarterback. Nice job, and please remind me never to get on your bad side. It may or may not interest you to know that in my very red state you aren’t even ALLOWED to vote for primary candidates as a registered Independent. I handle it in my own way, which I won’t go into here because it would very likely get me shot if my neighbors got wind of it. But don’t you worry about all that; you’ve got me PEGGED!
Sorry, this is a fight I have with my brother. He's an independent and he denigrates me for being a registered Democrat so that I can vote in the primary. I was a registered Republican before the Iraq war. That's when Bush burst my bubble and I learned to question agendas on both sides of the political spectrum. I decided I just don't belong in the Bootstrap Club. I've seen too much of life to believe that propaganda. Good luck with your guerilla warfare. I'd like the nation to move to ranked choice voting rather than primaries.