No doubt that every nation has a right to be recognized and to defend themselves (except for those who are committed to deny the right for everyone else to exist, or those who commit egregious crimes against people and planet).
I think "re-education centers and/or concentration camps" are not something most people would embrace -especiall…
No doubt that every nation has a right to be recognized and to defend themselves (except for those who are committed to deny the right for everyone else to exist, or those who commit egregious crimes against people and planet).
I think "re-education centers and/or concentration camps" are not something most people would embrace -especially for disrupting "tranquility" or "disturbing the peace." The First Amendment of the Constitution enshrines such rights (although I know far too many people don't realize there are amendments preceding and subsequent to the Second.
And I'd have to disagree with killing masses of innocent people to get to a handful of extremists is a reasonable response. It is antithetical to international law and fundamental human rights.
Remember George that the vast majority if not all Hamas are the "children" of Gazans, many of them still under the age of 20, so that extends into parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, cousins, neighbourhoods.... think of how many Gazans are hostile to Israel, both in its military occupation and confinement policies, and of course (no surprise) Israel's right to exist. They are the direct descendents of the Catastrophe. I would think it's an almost pointless exercise trying to distinguish between "Hamas extremists" and the larger, "civilian" population.
You do raise an important point Frank, yet I do have hope that fundamentally all people want safety, security, and a desire for a better life for the next and future generations, as opposed to perpetual war, suffering, and horrific violence. And a spark born from that desire yields a fragile yet strengthening peace predicated upon reason.
Agreed... I do hope that human societies, organized it states or whatever, find more collaborative means to manage their affairs. Much as members go on about "capitalist greed" here, trade and the exchange of goods and services is likely the best way to go, depending on the "terms" of course! I'm guardedly hopeful that is where humanity is headed, however fitfully and inequitably. I suspect survival is the more visceral base than "reason". After all, minor counterpoint, reason as technical know-how invented the machine-gun, stand in for the enormous and now very expensive panoply of weaponry in this world. On the side, don't you think it odd that political discourse has been shaping up China as America's "main enemy", the country with whom USA has immense economic and financial ties?
Thanks Frank -and yes, it is clear through nearly every section of the 900+ pages of the Heritage toxic Project 2025 that China is “The Enemy”. I know the right-wing always loves an enemy to bolster military spending. Nevertheless we seem much closer to conflict with Russia due to the criminal Putin. Although China certainly has a disconcerting interest in Taiwan.
Taiwan... well, it was long part of China proper before it became the offshore residence of Changkaishek who ran the island as a dictatorship for a generation or so. I agree, Taiwan has become a Chinese breakaway region and increasingly nationalist in nature among the younger generation. Is that something USA and other regional nations have a vital interest in? How about Vietnam? Interestingly, the Ukraine story is very similar in terms of nationalist aspirations; our public discourse have made perhaps too strong a point in stressing that the Russian invasion was a bully attack on an "independent nation"...not that I agree, by any stretch, with Russian methods, or that Ukrainian nationalism lacks legitimacy. In a way, this thing is akin to a civil war. At this point, I'd say the Russians have blown it, but if they win suppression and gulag will be the order of the way, another tradition going back a few centuries now at least. There is a long, tortured history here. Try Synder's Bloodlands or better, Plokhy's The Gates of Europe, if you haven't already. They will shake you down.
Not surprised you'd assume I endorse concentration camps. What I am saying is don't fall for the Dunning Kruger Effect. Don't confuse the determination of fools and fanatics with credibility of their position. Hamas, Iran and the protesters can't believe anyone would protect Jews who they believe god abandoned and will therefore bestow a reward in heaven for exterminating them. But I agree only those who teach and lead this ideology should be punished. I and Israel morn each death much more than Hamas does. Tent camps are being built as we speak to afford all those that want to leave Rafa to do so.
You remind me so much of my old aunty that insisted until her last breath that the concentration camps in Germany never really existed, that it would have been impossible to burn so many people, that it's all just propaganda to make the poor, poor Germans look bad.
Some people just can't be helped. They die ignorant.
Do a google search for "tent camps in gaza" -> images. Hundreds of images. See any pictures with mountains of dead Gazans waiting to be burned like in Auschwitz? Each time you believe something known to be false, you lose the capacity for reason. We still love you, just don't expect us to accept your judgement on things like war.
I do believe the Nazi propaganda film where the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem HAJJ AMIN AL-HUSAYNI MEETS HITLER and ”The Führer stated that Germany would not intervene in internal Arab matters and that the only German “goal at that time would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”
No doubt that every nation has a right to be recognized and to defend themselves (except for those who are committed to deny the right for everyone else to exist, or those who commit egregious crimes against people and planet).
I think "re-education centers and/or concentration camps" are not something most people would embrace -especially for disrupting "tranquility" or "disturbing the peace." The First Amendment of the Constitution enshrines such rights (although I know far too many people don't realize there are amendments preceding and subsequent to the Second.
And I'd have to disagree with killing masses of innocent people to get to a handful of extremists is a reasonable response. It is antithetical to international law and fundamental human rights.
Remember George that the vast majority if not all Hamas are the "children" of Gazans, many of them still under the age of 20, so that extends into parents, siblings, aunts and uncles, cousins, neighbourhoods.... think of how many Gazans are hostile to Israel, both in its military occupation and confinement policies, and of course (no surprise) Israel's right to exist. They are the direct descendents of the Catastrophe. I would think it's an almost pointless exercise trying to distinguish between "Hamas extremists" and the larger, "civilian" population.
You do raise an important point Frank, yet I do have hope that fundamentally all people want safety, security, and a desire for a better life for the next and future generations, as opposed to perpetual war, suffering, and horrific violence. And a spark born from that desire yields a fragile yet strengthening peace predicated upon reason.
Agreed... I do hope that human societies, organized it states or whatever, find more collaborative means to manage their affairs. Much as members go on about "capitalist greed" here, trade and the exchange of goods and services is likely the best way to go, depending on the "terms" of course! I'm guardedly hopeful that is where humanity is headed, however fitfully and inequitably. I suspect survival is the more visceral base than "reason". After all, minor counterpoint, reason as technical know-how invented the machine-gun, stand in for the enormous and now very expensive panoply of weaponry in this world. On the side, don't you think it odd that political discourse has been shaping up China as America's "main enemy", the country with whom USA has immense economic and financial ties?
Thanks Frank -and yes, it is clear through nearly every section of the 900+ pages of the Heritage toxic Project 2025 that China is “The Enemy”. I know the right-wing always loves an enemy to bolster military spending. Nevertheless we seem much closer to conflict with Russia due to the criminal Putin. Although China certainly has a disconcerting interest in Taiwan.
Taiwan... well, it was long part of China proper before it became the offshore residence of Changkaishek who ran the island as a dictatorship for a generation or so. I agree, Taiwan has become a Chinese breakaway region and increasingly nationalist in nature among the younger generation. Is that something USA and other regional nations have a vital interest in? How about Vietnam? Interestingly, the Ukraine story is very similar in terms of nationalist aspirations; our public discourse have made perhaps too strong a point in stressing that the Russian invasion was a bully attack on an "independent nation"...not that I agree, by any stretch, with Russian methods, or that Ukrainian nationalism lacks legitimacy. In a way, this thing is akin to a civil war. At this point, I'd say the Russians have blown it, but if they win suppression and gulag will be the order of the way, another tradition going back a few centuries now at least. There is a long, tortured history here. Try Synder's Bloodlands or better, Plokhy's The Gates of Europe, if you haven't already. They will shake you down.
Not surprised you'd assume I endorse concentration camps. What I am saying is don't fall for the Dunning Kruger Effect. Don't confuse the determination of fools and fanatics with credibility of their position. Hamas, Iran and the protesters can't believe anyone would protect Jews who they believe god abandoned and will therefore bestow a reward in heaven for exterminating them. But I agree only those who teach and lead this ideology should be punished. I and Israel morn each death much more than Hamas does. Tent camps are being built as we speak to afford all those that want to leave Rafa to do so.
You remind me so much of my old aunty that insisted until her last breath that the concentration camps in Germany never really existed, that it would have been impossible to burn so many people, that it's all just propaganda to make the poor, poor Germans look bad.
Some people just can't be helped. They die ignorant.
Do a google search for "tent camps in gaza" -> images. Hundreds of images. See any pictures with mountains of dead Gazans waiting to be burned like in Auschwitz? Each time you believe something known to be false, you lose the capacity for reason. We still love you, just don't expect us to accept your judgement on things like war.
I do believe the Nazi propaganda film where the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem HAJJ AMIN AL-HUSAYNI MEETS HITLER and ”The Führer stated that Germany would not intervene in internal Arab matters and that the only German “goal at that time would be the annihilation of Jewry living in Arab space under the protection of British power.”
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/film/hajj-amin-al-husayni-meets-hitler