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Joan Friedman (MA, from NY)'s avatar

Sure, let “southerners” teach how they like -as long as that means all adults in each state have a vote and a voice, not just a white supremacist subset.

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Frederick's avatar

I agree. One’s views ought to be challenged, if they are not inclusive, as well as adhering to our core principles. The right is attempting to define the very term “American” in 2021 to an outdated set of norms, established during slavery and continued throughout the Jim Crow era of the South. Tis no wonder the 1619 Project ruffles their kerfuffle!

I feel we are in a cultural struggle to define “democracy.” As Joe Biden exhibited in his recent address, liberalism is short on philosophy and morals, but long on legislation and policy. We certainly need a short-course on Locke and Montesquieu, as well as TR, FDR and JFK.

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Christy's avatar

Many Republicans I have encountered recently and unfortunately, openly say that we are NOT a democracy and for them we should not be a democracy. From what I read they are pushing this in local curriculums. An example: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/07/us/usa-democracy.html

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Frederick's avatar

Christy, this is a telling tale of Michiganders debating the terms “republic” (conservative view) and “democracy” (liberal view).

But to me, this quote from the article is most telling:

I wanted to make sure there was a seat at the table for a conservative worldview,” Mr. Colbeck said. Colbeck is identified as a former Rep State Senator.

The fact that a local state senator speaks in terms of conservative world view tells me we have a looong road ahead to create a progressive world view, and then disseminate throughout the US. Say, 5 years, perhaps??? UNLESS, Joe Biden starts to speak in terms of a progressive worldview

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Barbara D. Reed's avatar

Sad to say, it's not just southern states doing this sort of thing. NH's newly Republican majority in all branches of government (we actually have 4, not the typical 3-it includes the Executive Council, an advisory group to the Governor) have now passed an unconstitutional gag order forbidding ANY discussion/diversity training by pretty much ANYONE.

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Beth's avatar

Catch me up. Did it pass? I thought it had gotten inserted in the budget and Sununu was threatening to veto it if they left it there.

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Annie D Stratton's avatar

NH does all kinds of weird things. It's a wonder it even functions, even at the low level it does. I occasionally ponder on how two adjacent states of similar size, geography, and history can be so different from each other. It probably makes a difference that VT was an independent Republic for 10 years (while NY and NH each claimed it), but NH prior to 1776 was a Mass county run pretty much by self-serving governors. Sometimes things don't change much.

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Beth's avatar

You're so right. I've lived here all my life and it just feels like we can never get anything done with our overly huge state legislature which tends to be majority GOP most sessions. When you don't pay your state legislators anything to speak of, who you gonna get? Old white guys who want to maintain the status quo from a couple centuries ago.

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