Phil, as someone who's made his career through an audience of people who did get some education in the humanities, the truth is that 80% of Americans have ALWAYS been half-educated yokels, going back to the founding.
Phil, as someone who's made his career through an audience of people who did get some education in the humanities, the truth is that 80% of Americans have ALWAYS been half-educated yokels, going back to the founding.
I worry much more about elites who never use any humanities, TCinLA.
I worry about the "educational" institutions that produced this dehumanization. I worry about the tens of millions who lost decent working-class jobs to offshoring, and their justifiable resentment of elites indifferent to them, our elites so largely unaware of, without literacy in the many fine novels, memoirs, films, songs, and other arts actually out there, available to us for helping to see, to experience what our neighbors have had to experience.
To which educational institutions are you referring? I'm a retired professor of mathematics. Are you accusing me of propagating dehuminization? Are you including me in your sweeping statement regarding elites?
I doubt that mathematics, part of liberal arts education, are part of the discussion. ItтАЩs the dehumanization of American universities which my favorite professor (Medieval French, Harvard PhD at 20) meant when he said that he graduated from
Harvard тАЬwhile it was still a universityтАФthe year before Harvard put in the business school.тАЭ
I always say that if I had a magic educational wand, I would close ALL the business schools. The one at Columbia turned a friend of mine into someone convinced that the markets are always right and that executive pay should never be regulated when she already had a humanities degree from a different Ivy. When I would question any of this, she'd just say that smarter people than she believed this.
Ouch. Intelligence without grounding is wild. I have had a hard lesson in this from тАЬintelligentтАЭ Trump voters. Because I remember WWII, had patriotic parents and a fierce teacher of history and civics who said that if we didnтАЩt vote in every election we were entitled to vote in she would come back to haunt us, the aftermath (UN, Marshall Plan), followed by years in universities (sources, sources, sources) and doing music (right editions, precision of all sortsтАФpitch, beat, etc), Eisenhower was the only Republican I ever voted for. I looked at the Republican Party and saw the greed that underplay most of their thinking. With Reagan I had the end of even considering a Republican in any office. I also saw during 10 years in France what it means to have medicine and free undergraduate school for those who choose it, five weeks of paid vacation a year for everyone. And Europeans do not have business schools in their universities as far as I know. A pity that Tony JudtтАЩs тАЬSocial DemocracyтАЭ has not been taken seriously here.
After severe budget cuts by the State of Florida my beloved Florida State University accepted donations from the Koch brothers. In return they.gave final approval for professors in the school of business to the KochтАЩs who would teach the glory of a free market. I almost cried when I learned about it. Well regulated capitalism is arguably the best system. Unregulated capitalism is the worst. Free market to the KochтАЩs and other proponents is that the market does whatever the hell it wants.
Alas, Southern state legislatures are not friends in general to higher education. i used to think it would improve if more college educated legislators were elected, but that doesn't seem to have moved the needle much. It's about the money, don't you think?
I'm also a recipient of an old school education. I was taught vacuum tube circuitry using a slide rule. Digital computers weren't even in every university department. The engineers were still playing with analog computers.
It was a banner day when the instructor had yellow chalk as well as white.
No computer to do the heavy lifting. No computer to help you visualize things.
The watering down of curriculum worries me as well. As students rely more on the computer they rely less on developing their visualization skills.
Education is so different today. We had corporal punishment in public schools.
I'm just happy to have been able to complete my career. I saw over 10,000 students in my tenure, and many of them went on to accomplish their dreams. I'm honored to have been a small part of their journey.
Count the references to novels, films, songs, memoirs, histories.
Do the math.
As you do, note the tens of millions of embittered Americans whose jobs biz school elites offshored, whose lives most other elites learned to ignore, their instructors in dutifully neutered silos.
Phil, as someone who's made his career through an audience of people who did get some education in the humanities, the truth is that 80% of Americans have ALWAYS been half-educated yokels, going back to the founding.
I worry much more about elites who never use any humanities, TCinLA.
I worry about the "educational" institutions that produced this dehumanization. I worry about the tens of millions who lost decent working-class jobs to offshoring, and their justifiable resentment of elites indifferent to them, our elites so largely unaware of, without literacy in the many fine novels, memoirs, films, songs, and other arts actually out there, available to us for helping to see, to experience what our neighbors have had to experience.
To which educational institutions are you referring? I'm a retired professor of mathematics. Are you accusing me of propagating dehuminization? Are you including me in your sweeping statement regarding elites?
I doubt that mathematics, part of liberal arts education, are part of the discussion. ItтАЩs the dehumanization of American universities which my favorite professor (Medieval French, Harvard PhD at 20) meant when he said that he graduated from
Harvard тАЬwhile it was still a universityтАФthe year before Harvard put in the business school.тАЭ
I always say that if I had a magic educational wand, I would close ALL the business schools. The one at Columbia turned a friend of mine into someone convinced that the markets are always right and that executive pay should never be regulated when she already had a humanities degree from a different Ivy. When I would question any of this, she'd just say that smarter people than she believed this.
Ouch. Intelligence without grounding is wild. I have had a hard lesson in this from тАЬintelligentтАЭ Trump voters. Because I remember WWII, had patriotic parents and a fierce teacher of history and civics who said that if we didnтАЩt vote in every election we were entitled to vote in she would come back to haunt us, the aftermath (UN, Marshall Plan), followed by years in universities (sources, sources, sources) and doing music (right editions, precision of all sortsтАФpitch, beat, etc), Eisenhower was the only Republican I ever voted for. I looked at the Republican Party and saw the greed that underplay most of their thinking. With Reagan I had the end of even considering a Republican in any office. I also saw during 10 years in France what it means to have medicine and free undergraduate school for those who choose it, five weeks of paid vacation a year for everyone. And Europeans do not have business schools in their universities as far as I know. A pity that Tony JudtтАЩs тАЬSocial DemocracyтАЭ has not been taken seriously here.
After severe budget cuts by the State of Florida my beloved Florida State University accepted donations from the Koch brothers. In return they.gave final approval for professors in the school of business to the KochтАЩs who would teach the glory of a free market. I almost cried when I learned about it. Well regulated capitalism is arguably the best system. Unregulated capitalism is the worst. Free market to the KochтАЩs and other proponents is that the market does whatever the hell it wants.
Alas, Southern state legislatures are not friends in general to higher education. i used to think it would improve if more college educated legislators were elected, but that doesn't seem to have moved the needle much. It's about the money, don't you think?
The edit function, dear friend progwoman.
In your last line you say, "she'd just way that . . .," when the edit function would let you say, "she'd just say that . . .."
Thanks for clarifying.
I'm also a recipient of an old school education. I was taught vacuum tube circuitry using a slide rule. Digital computers weren't even in every university department. The engineers were still playing with analog computers.
It was a banner day when the instructor had yellow chalk as well as white.
No computer to do the heavy lifting. No computer to help you visualize things.
The watering down of curriculum worries me as well. As students rely more on the computer they rely less on developing their visualization skills.
Education is so different today. We had corporal punishment in public schools.
I'm just happy to have been able to complete my career. I saw over 10,000 students in my tenure, and many of them went on to accomplish their dreams. I'm honored to have been a small part of their journey.
Look, Bob, at the comment writers here.
Count the references to novels, films, songs, memoirs, histories.
Do the math.
As you do, note the tens of millions of embittered Americans whose jobs biz school elites offshored, whose lives most other elites learned to ignore, their instructors in dutifully neutered silos.
Agree with 70%