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By " a mess," you mean "failed states" in which repression, by governments or by violent criminal gangs the bribery-ridden gov'ts are unable to control, leaves little rational choice but to attempt to flee in order to "have a chance" -- to *survive*. "[P]artly aided and abetted in the past by us": by "us," you mean the US gov't, acting in all our names but *on behalf of* US-multinational corporations, and by "in the past" you mean for 150 years and counting. Oh, and by "partly aided and abetted" you mean effected by US-trained military torturers and US-financed RW death squads and economic sabotage and oligarchs who (for a price) allow free expatriation of profits from their countries to the US corporations -- failed states by design.

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Yes, that's what I mean. Up early and needing to get ready to go the Saturday Market early. I would go back further in years if us means Europeans of any ilk. Thank you for filling in the details. Btw, I had this week a long unpleasant "discussion" on this blog with someone who disagreed with me on a number of things including this. I am too negative because I maintain that history does matter and I base my optimism or pessimism on that and what is currently happening.

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Yes - history DOES matter - regardless of how Repubs want to play it! Good luck at the Market, Michele.

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