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Bill Alstrom (MAtoMainetoMA)'s avatar

Michael, thanks for anchoring this subject in logic.

Any amount of video, statements of fact or lies will make little difference. What will matter is turnout on election days. Yesterday, I was very excited by a post that led me to https://www.turnup.us/

Consider this: "The generational makeup of the United States is shifting dramatically. In 2024, Millennials and Gen Z will account for almost 45% of the electorate."

I say forget Fox and the aging, dying off soon Fox Fools. Concentrate on youth and the future. Cable TV is on a death march. More and more people are cutting the cord. We had dinner last night with some family. A young couple in their late 20s quietly listened as we elders talked about all the TV shows we have enjoyed. They revealed that they don't watch TV. They live on their phones or laptops. He is a mechanical engineer. She is a health care administrator. They are more than the future. They are the now.

It's all about who we can convince to vote. Let's focus on the generations that we can motivate to make a difference. That's what "turnup.us" is doing. It's brilliant.

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Linda Bailey's avatar

Bill that is the problem. Young folk aren't watching television on their televisions, they are watching it on their phones. Young voters or even potential voters have zoned out current issues. If they can control what they watch, it's not going to be the C-Span daily recap or the daily press conference from the White House. It's going to be what's hot on their streaming services.

I listened to a talk last week about "How to get the Youth to the voting booth". It was interesting and chilling.

One of the biggest talking points was if the Supreme Court tanks Bidens plans for college fund reimbursements, so will it do the same for his re election. He will lose the vote of the parents, students who parrot their parents vote and much more. It is a far reaching problem that will point to him, not the source of the problem (bought and paid for Supreme Court).

The wave from the last election has aged out many of the participants. Strength in numbers worked phenomenally last go around. Those same folks don't necessarily have that same social structure. They moved on about their lives. As they should.

That said, turnup.us is a fantastic organization. They were mentioned in the talk I attended last week.

It is the youth that needs to be educated. They will inherent this horribly chaotic world we live in.

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Bill Alstrom (MAtoMainetoMA)'s avatar

Good points. Accurate observations. But I am buoyed by the fact that in the long run the "American Melting Pot" is happening. Younger generations have grown up with diversity and differences as more normal than not.

I am optimistic that tolerance will prevail in the long run. This backward slide into bigotry and autocracy will not hold. Call me naive. But that's how I get through the day :)

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james wheaton (Jay)'s avatar

Linda - wish I could disagree with you, but I cannot. I think that there was some political calculation in the student loan forgiveness plan. A decent idea with decent reasons, but also a political choice to help get out the vote. Same can be said for climate change promises. Issues that ought to be of interest to today's young adults. The Supreme Court, the McCarthy House, the Senate filibuster, and Fox News are doing their best to neuter these efforts entirely. And it is working for the most part. The average young voting age person - I have seen this first hand - will roll their eyes, declare that their government has once again failed them, and call it quits. Move on to something else instead of political awareness and activity. This new generation cannot be accused of being patient or persistent. More likely too many will throw their collective hands up in despair, act like ostriches, and tune out. An act of entitlement, or better yet a failure to act. I now personally think that the student loan forgiveness promise was a miscalculation that is backfiring, a miscalculation that will only better assure more gen Z'ers stay away from the polls on 2024. God I hope I'm wrong.

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Linda Bailey's avatar

Jay, I'm with you 100% .

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Michael Bales's avatar

The demographics you describe should frighten the right. But they're too busy believing the endless lies and misinformation. Or as was often said at a large tech company where I once worked, they breathing their own fumes.

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