Watergate took three years from crime to conviction. Three years folks. And that wasn't nearly the magnitude of an attempted coup d'etat against the United Stated of America. Looked at it this way the January 6 Committee and Judges involved in this immense case have been working at lightening speed.
And yes. I too chafe at trump and…
Watergate took three years from crime to conviction. Three years folks. And that wasn't nearly the magnitude of an attempted coup d'etat against the United Stated of America. Looked at it this way the January 6 Committee and Judges involved in this immense case have been working at lightening speed.
And yes. I too chafe at trump and friends running around bloviating and campaigning as much as the next person. Mostly I live on hope things will turn out right in a slew of convictions. The January 6 Committee has done a masterful job. There have been zero leaks. They release just the right amount of accusations/information at the right times. I look forward to the televised hearings.
As a Country we are sitting on a keg of dynamite labeled "Donald Trump is convicted by the DOJ" This Country will explode with his follower's wrath and his politicians outrage. We need a very tight case against him. No screwed up Mueller Report. No screwed up SDNY prosecutor case. No dragged out Gaetz case. And on and on.
There seems to me to be a major difference between today's circumstances and the situation when Watergate blew up. For all his flaws, Goldwater was able and willing to walk into the Oval Office and deliver some version of his famous line to Nixon. "Mr. President, it's time for you to resign. Your party will no longer support you."
Back then we all had the same information. The same three television channels. And there was no social media with algorithms that push the most divisive information (See: Stolen Focus by Johann Hari, a superb and wide-ranging book. I do think that neither Trump, nor Bolsonaro would have been elected without Facebook, Youtube, & Twitter. And I'm also sleeping better due to stuff I've learned from this book.)
Thank you for the reference to Stolen Focus! Having had "a look inside" I think that not only I but society as a whole would benefit by reading and understanding what Johann Hari has discovered. Ilook forward to receiving my copy!
You're most welcome. The more people that read it, the better off we'll be. I've also lately been recommending a book called Ladyparts, by Deborah Copaken, especially to women of post reproductive age and the men who love them. It's a memoir, but so much more, including some recommendations that greatly improved her health, and should do so for a lot of women. She also nicely skewers the US medical system, the lack of a social safety net (complementary to stuff on that issue in Stolen Focus), American corporate culture... I found out about Stolen Focus and two other books I've bought and enjoyed listening to Christopher Lydon's Open Source (on NPR stations).
These references are very interesting! I will get Ladyparts, judging from what I've read of her medical nightmares, she also has quite the sense of humor. I see Christopher Lydon has several videos, a couple called Open Source that I will give a listen.Thank you!
I agree completely, Barbara. I read Obama's book last year and one of the things that got my attention was the meticulous, step-by-step process of decision-making and the amount of patience and waiting required. A hallmark of the Trump administration was not only the inability to wait one minute for anything but the need for constant noise and light. But it isn't just the Trump phenomenon. It's the news as entertainment; education as entertainment. We are an impatient culture and, above all else, it is patience--that willingness to sit still--that is needed. One careful, mindful step at a time. I am less hopeful than you, I think, as to the chances of TFG paying for his crimes. My hope at the moment is that you are right and I am wrong.
I sure remember, Lynell. I liked your post then and like your response now. And I expressed then I find it unseemly to second guess the Atty Gen of the country and his staff.
I thought today about it after the Letter’s reveal of the absolutely insane brass balls of Eastman and Trump to change the results of the 2020 election and destruction of our democracy.
Does anyone actually believe that Pres Biden’s DOJ is not on this like a dog gnawing a juicy bone?
Watergate took three years from crime to conviction. Three years folks. And that wasn't nearly the magnitude of an attempted coup d'etat against the United Stated of America. Looked at it this way the January 6 Committee and Judges involved in this immense case have been working at lightening speed.
And yes. I too chafe at trump and friends running around bloviating and campaigning as much as the next person. Mostly I live on hope things will turn out right in a slew of convictions. The January 6 Committee has done a masterful job. There have been zero leaks. They release just the right amount of accusations/information at the right times. I look forward to the televised hearings.
As a Country we are sitting on a keg of dynamite labeled "Donald Trump is convicted by the DOJ" This Country will explode with his follower's wrath and his politicians outrage. We need a very tight case against him. No screwed up Mueller Report. No screwed up SDNY prosecutor case. No dragged out Gaetz case. And on and on.
I'll wait for the solid win.
There seems to me to be a major difference between today's circumstances and the situation when Watergate blew up. For all his flaws, Goldwater was able and willing to walk into the Oval Office and deliver some version of his famous line to Nixon. "Mr. President, it's time for you to resign. Your party will no longer support you."
Back then we all had the same information. The same three television channels. And there was no social media with algorithms that push the most divisive information (See: Stolen Focus by Johann Hari, a superb and wide-ranging book. I do think that neither Trump, nor Bolsonaro would have been elected without Facebook, Youtube, & Twitter. And I'm also sleeping better due to stuff I've learned from this book.)
Thank you for the reference to Stolen Focus! Having had "a look inside" I think that not only I but society as a whole would benefit by reading and understanding what Johann Hari has discovered. Ilook forward to receiving my copy!
You're most welcome. The more people that read it, the better off we'll be. I've also lately been recommending a book called Ladyparts, by Deborah Copaken, especially to women of post reproductive age and the men who love them. It's a memoir, but so much more, including some recommendations that greatly improved her health, and should do so for a lot of women. She also nicely skewers the US medical system, the lack of a social safety net (complementary to stuff on that issue in Stolen Focus), American corporate culture... I found out about Stolen Focus and two other books I've bought and enjoyed listening to Christopher Lydon's Open Source (on NPR stations).
These references are very interesting! I will get Ladyparts, judging from what I've read of her medical nightmares, she also has quite the sense of humor. I see Christopher Lydon has several videos, a couple called Open Source that I will give a listen.Thank you!
I agree completely, Barbara. I read Obama's book last year and one of the things that got my attention was the meticulous, step-by-step process of decision-making and the amount of patience and waiting required. A hallmark of the Trump administration was not only the inability to wait one minute for anything but the need for constant noise and light. But it isn't just the Trump phenomenon. It's the news as entertainment; education as entertainment. We are an impatient culture and, above all else, it is patience--that willingness to sit still--that is needed. One careful, mindful step at a time. I am less hopeful than you, I think, as to the chances of TFG paying for his crimes. My hope at the moment is that you are right and I am wrong.
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actually two years and two months until Nixon resigned; two and a half years until Mitchell, Haldeman and Ehrlichman were convicted:
https://www.history.com/topics/watergate-scandal-timeline-nixon
Thanks, Barbara. Tooting my own horn, I did reference Watergate's timeline several months ago. But my writing skills don't hold a candle to yours!
I sure remember, Lynell. I liked your post then and like your response now. And I expressed then I find it unseemly to second guess the Atty Gen of the country and his staff.
I thought today about it after the Letter’s reveal of the absolutely insane brass balls of Eastman and Trump to change the results of the 2020 election and destruction of our democracy.
Does anyone actually believe that Pres Biden’s DOJ is not on this like a dog gnawing a juicy bone?
Kudos to Democracy!
Christine, I am so glad to hear you are still behind our AG as I am:
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!
~Rudyard Kipling
(Written before women were a part of the mix!)
Exactly right Barbara. Thank You.
With you on this Barbara. No screw ups on this one.