I agree with you.These lies being attributed to Madison and other Founding Fathers need to be pointed out by the mainstream media as the lies that they are.Separation of church and state is clearly talked about in the U S Constitution.I am appalled that these right wing extremists are talking about Jesus Christ as if he would agree with …
I agree with you.These lies being attributed to Madison and other Founding Fathers need to be pointed out by the mainstream media as the lies that they are.Separation of church and state is clearly talked about in the U S Constitution.I am appalled that these right wing extremists are talking about Jesus Christ as if he would agree with any of the things being attributed to him.It just keeps getting worse with these zealots.
For me, it seems to boil down to a need to eliminate Citizen's United. Transparency is emphatically needed for the voter to actually understand the larger, now essentially invisible, forces that grab for power and influence in our government. IMHO, it frequently seems that the radical religious right will not be happy until they can once again (as in Europe from which our founding father fled)dictate their version of reality and morality). Barr's comments were stunning in 2019 and I never understood why it did not cause more public outcry from .....????
Agree. Some are calling out Christian leadership as if leadership believes in the teachings of Jesus. The political Christians USE…they are the bishops in this political chess game and it has been true since at least the first crusades, in order to gain resources and revenue for the crown. Payout for the church. Pawns … the general mostly white small town public, won’t likely gain this understanding until in some fashion, they are willing to cross cultural lines / even by reading/ meeting people/ to understand the point of view and history of people that were killed or enslaved, people not in their cultural group. We have to risk being uncomfortable. Without question, Christians and the right are in the judicial process of whitewashing…banning all that think differently and those that see the scam for a reason….the right makes it abt gender differences and race and immigration and bug infestations and disease… because that is what populations fear and will fight against. Anything to divide, conquer and separate is useful to they that want control… their minions will hand it to them because they are fearful of stepping outside comfort zones
As long there are cars, alcohol, sugar, fast food and tv… many see life as good…
My question is : who is representing the crown? Who will stand to profit most from the complete social ransacking we will surely get?
They talk of freedom as if it is for we the people. It is freedom from us, for them. Who is them? Who are these oppressors?
I am hopeful more people will see through this giant social scam, and stop trading away their rights to those that will eventually eat them for dinner.
Oh wow K. Barnes your comment struck like both hinds to the forehead. The image of religion being the ultimate demise of European royalty has been banging around in my head all morning.
Of course, I was referring to the idea that our earliest forefathers struck out across the ocean in order to escape the Royal dictates of oppressive state religions. Full circle it would seem. Does that help your head?
Victoria, I agree, however, it appears to me that too many of the talking heads in today's MSM are as clueless of the history and correct context as that segment of their audience who needs such instruction! There seems to be a real dearth of intellectual curiosity among the public. Maybe it was always there and I just missed it.
I wrote about this yesterday...so many Americans, especially on the Right, are seemingly content to let the talking heads interpret everything FOR them rather than taking the effort to read or research things for themselves. It is intellectual laziness. They'll argue a point because they saw/heard it on right-wing media, without going to the source themselves to check for validity. They can't be bothered with the truth. They only ascribe to the truth AS TOLD TO THEM. Responsible citizens, especially now in these days of so much misinformation and manipulation of information, owe it to themselves to expend a little effort to get to the facts. They need to stop letting the "nattering nabobs" (wasn't that a Spiro Agnew turn of phrase?) of their press determine everything they believe and stop accepting anything they hear as factual. As has so often been said "democracy is NOT a spectator sport"!
We train children to believe the “truth” AS TOLD TO THEM in fundamentalist and evangelical churches. Then we wonder why they don’t question talking heads that start with statements that they’ve already heard delivered with the same emphasis as that used by their favorite preacher.
Again, people who go to fundamentalist/evangelical/Pentecostal churches don't seem to question what their clergy tells them. It's the same sort of authoritarianism--letting their leaders define EVERYTHING for them so they don't have to expend any energy searching for the truth--like we see in how they approach current events. A reminder: these are the same people who favour LITERAL interpretation of the Bible...no arguments, no dissent, no questions...believe these words just as they are...or else! (No use trying to tell them their "version" is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation etc.) It's keeping your "flock" in line by scaring them to death. If you have to resort to fear to get your adherents to trust in what you're preaching, then you've got a faulty product you're trying to sell. This atmosphere of churches run by spiritual dictatorships is one of the main reasons I turned my back on these sects long ago, became a confirmed Episcopalian/Anglican, and never looked back.
The talking heads need to read these letters for historical perspective, but so many are interested in what sells. With the internet a lot of the public have become experts in science, medicine, international relations, and the Constitution, etc. I was at the dentist fairly recently and listened to an ignoramus tout his "scientific" background while denying global warming. I was there for a cleaning, not an argument, so I just listened and rolled my eyes. In the debates I have had on other threads, it's always know-it-alls who insist they have done the research, but usually default to personal insults because they have nothing. However, I know many people who I would not describe as intellectual who understand how awful and regressive Rs are which gives me hope.
Jesus (that I grew up with) has NO resemblance to the evil of today. They are not true believers in the biblical Jesus or they would be in fear for their immortal soul. It’s all in the Bible folks, you know, the Gospels
However, like the constitution they cherry-pick the bits and pieces of the scriptures that support their talking points. The evil genius of the repugs is they are ALL able to get behind a message (wrong though it may be) and control the airwaves and propaganda being spewed to the masses.
Money talks and money in politics distorts: follow the money: look at the websites for Donor's Trust and Federalist Society or the Koch Foundation. Frightening
Jeri, YES. The Good News. Still works, as simply defined by “that Nazarene.”
I haven’t labeled myself a “Christian” for a long time. Simply a follower of Christ. Absolutely fine with the real Madison, not the Barrian lie. (As I said to Mike S: Barr and his ilk want an intolerant autocratic theocracy to replace our beloved democracy. Their deity is the Self, not the Creator — whether they realize it or not. And it is always about heaven or hell, isn’t it.)
Judging is way, way above my pay grade; however, we are given the ability to “know” (Paul) the wolves, and call them out — and RUN.
I had to carefully read several times this letter in order to understand the subtleties of Madison’s thinking. I doubt that MSM with it’s need for concise sound bites that don’t really connect ideas of any complexity either understand or have the ability to educate the public on something that requires real thinking. We are becoming a nation of moronic sheep, led by charlatans who in truth are despicable, evidence of that was on full display during the Jackson hearing’s earlier this week, that woman has the patience of a saint, the scum that were questioning her integrity weren’t fit to polish her shoes much less sit in judgment about her fitness for the SC.
Rachel Maddow has chosen a bad time to leave her show!! She’s been doing the crucial work that we desperately need to understand these issues. Does she have any blogs or podcasts on current events that you know of?
Chris Hayes is trying to expand his coverage of the deeper problems we are facing, and I’ve appreciated his efforts.
She's working so hard on her production regarding Spiro Agnew ("Bag Man") - who knew all this would come up right when she took the leave to do that work?? She was back for a few days at the start of the Ukraine war, but was gone again too soon. I miss her too, but it seems to me the rest of her team is doing their best to fill the space. Sigh.
the media have no interest in fact-checking. first off, too many facts to check. second, they want people upset, yelling and throwing popcorn at the screen. they want a horse race. it's good for ratings. when things are explained, people calm down. that's called, bad tv.
I agree with you.These lies being attributed to Madison and other Founding Fathers need to be pointed out by the mainstream media as the lies that they are.Separation of church and state is clearly talked about in the U S Constitution.I am appalled that these right wing extremists are talking about Jesus Christ as if he would agree with any of the things being attributed to him.It just keeps getting worse with these zealots.
For me, it seems to boil down to a need to eliminate Citizen's United. Transparency is emphatically needed for the voter to actually understand the larger, now essentially invisible, forces that grab for power and influence in our government. IMHO, it frequently seems that the radical religious right will not be happy until they can once again (as in Europe from which our founding father fled)dictate their version of reality and morality). Barr's comments were stunning in 2019 and I never understood why it did not cause more public outcry from .....????
Agree. Some are calling out Christian leadership as if leadership believes in the teachings of Jesus. The political Christians USE…they are the bishops in this political chess game and it has been true since at least the first crusades, in order to gain resources and revenue for the crown. Payout for the church. Pawns … the general mostly white small town public, won’t likely gain this understanding until in some fashion, they are willing to cross cultural lines / even by reading/ meeting people/ to understand the point of view and history of people that were killed or enslaved, people not in their cultural group. We have to risk being uncomfortable. Without question, Christians and the right are in the judicial process of whitewashing…banning all that think differently and those that see the scam for a reason….the right makes it abt gender differences and race and immigration and bug infestations and disease… because that is what populations fear and will fight against. Anything to divide, conquer and separate is useful to they that want control… their minions will hand it to them because they are fearful of stepping outside comfort zones
As long there are cars, alcohol, sugar, fast food and tv… many see life as good…
My question is : who is representing the crown? Who will stand to profit most from the complete social ransacking we will surely get?
They talk of freedom as if it is for we the people. It is freedom from us, for them. Who is them? Who are these oppressors?
I am hopeful more people will see through this giant social scam, and stop trading away their rights to those that will eventually eat them for dinner.
Oh wow K. Barnes your comment struck like both hinds to the forehead. The image of religion being the ultimate demise of European royalty has been banging around in my head all morning.
Of course, I was referring to the idea that our earliest forefathers struck out across the ocean in order to escape the Royal dictates of oppressive state religions. Full circle it would seem. Does that help your head?
"Both Hinds to The Forehead" Great line!👍
LOL
They were too busy chasing other squirrels no doubt.
Thank you +1 and rem acu tetigisti!!!
Victoria, I agree, however, it appears to me that too many of the talking heads in today's MSM are as clueless of the history and correct context as that segment of their audience who needs such instruction! There seems to be a real dearth of intellectual curiosity among the public. Maybe it was always there and I just missed it.
I wrote about this yesterday...so many Americans, especially on the Right, are seemingly content to let the talking heads interpret everything FOR them rather than taking the effort to read or research things for themselves. It is intellectual laziness. They'll argue a point because they saw/heard it on right-wing media, without going to the source themselves to check for validity. They can't be bothered with the truth. They only ascribe to the truth AS TOLD TO THEM. Responsible citizens, especially now in these days of so much misinformation and manipulation of information, owe it to themselves to expend a little effort to get to the facts. They need to stop letting the "nattering nabobs" (wasn't that a Spiro Agnew turn of phrase?) of their press determine everything they believe and stop accepting anything they hear as factual. As has so often been said "democracy is NOT a spectator sport"!
We train children to believe the “truth” AS TOLD TO THEM in fundamentalist and evangelical churches. Then we wonder why they don’t question talking heads that start with statements that they’ve already heard delivered with the same emphasis as that used by their favorite preacher.
Again, people who go to fundamentalist/evangelical/Pentecostal churches don't seem to question what their clergy tells them. It's the same sort of authoritarianism--letting their leaders define EVERYTHING for them so they don't have to expend any energy searching for the truth--like we see in how they approach current events. A reminder: these are the same people who favour LITERAL interpretation of the Bible...no arguments, no dissent, no questions...believe these words just as they are...or else! (No use trying to tell them their "version" is a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation of a translation etc.) It's keeping your "flock" in line by scaring them to death. If you have to resort to fear to get your adherents to trust in what you're preaching, then you've got a faulty product you're trying to sell. This atmosphere of churches run by spiritual dictatorships is one of the main reasons I turned my back on these sects long ago, became a confirmed Episcopalian/Anglican, and never looked back.
Yep. Trained to believe the white man at the front of the church (making up stuff).
Like: Tucker Carlson
"nattering nabobs of negativity" From Wikipedia: Agnew pleaded no contest to a single felony charge of tax evasion and resigned from office.
Another Republican luminary.
Perhaps you could share my talk with your contacts... if the pictures of the hurdles to the ballot box don't attract concern, we are doomed.
Alice, could you provide a link?
The talking heads need to read these letters for historical perspective, but so many are interested in what sells. With the internet a lot of the public have become experts in science, medicine, international relations, and the Constitution, etc. I was at the dentist fairly recently and listened to an ignoramus tout his "scientific" background while denying global warming. I was there for a cleaning, not an argument, so I just listened and rolled my eyes. In the debates I have had on other threads, it's always know-it-alls who insist they have done the research, but usually default to personal insults because they have nothing. However, I know many people who I would not describe as intellectual who understand how awful and regressive Rs are which gives me hope.
📣📣📣📣the Professor! You awaken curiosity by teaching, posting/commenting/sharing her wisdom
Thus: thx redux Prof Dr HCR❤️📣❤️
Jesus (that I grew up with) has NO resemblance to the evil of today. They are not true believers in the biblical Jesus or they would be in fear for their immortal soul. It’s all in the Bible folks, you know, the Gospels
However, like the constitution they cherry-pick the bits and pieces of the scriptures that support their talking points. The evil genius of the repugs is they are ALL able to get behind a message (wrong though it may be) and control the airwaves and propaganda being spewed to the masses.
Money talks and money in politics distorts: follow the money: look at the websites for Donor's Trust and Federalist Society or the Koch Foundation. Frightening
Cherry-pick then reinterpret to support their own "talking points".
Yes yes yes we have to organize even where that means holding our noses locally (I live in NYC so believe me,,our shit stinks)
Republicans “line up” very well. Have sine Ross Perot
Jeri, YES. The Good News. Still works, as simply defined by “that Nazarene.”
I haven’t labeled myself a “Christian” for a long time. Simply a follower of Christ. Absolutely fine with the real Madison, not the Barrian lie. (As I said to Mike S: Barr and his ilk want an intolerant autocratic theocracy to replace our beloved democracy. Their deity is the Self, not the Creator — whether they realize it or not. And it is always about heaven or hell, isn’t it.)
Judging is way, way above my pay grade; however, we are given the ability to “know” (Paul) the wolves, and call them out — and RUN.
FAST
I had to carefully read several times this letter in order to understand the subtleties of Madison’s thinking. I doubt that MSM with it’s need for concise sound bites that don’t really connect ideas of any complexity either understand or have the ability to educate the public on something that requires real thinking. We are becoming a nation of moronic sheep, led by charlatans who in truth are despicable, evidence of that was on full display during the Jackson hearing’s earlier this week, that woman has the patience of a saint, the scum that were questioning her integrity weren’t fit to polish her shoes much less sit in judgment about her fitness for the SC.
Rachel maddow tried
Rachel Maddow has chosen a bad time to leave her show!! She’s been doing the crucial work that we desperately need to understand these issues. Does she have any blogs or podcasts on current events that you know of?
Chris Hayes is trying to expand his coverage of the deeper problems we are facing, and I’ve appreciated his efforts.
Chris, unfortunately, doesn’t have Dr Maddow’s gravitas. Ari Melber comes closer on presence and at least has initials after his name
I agree, and unfortunately no one else does either, though they do try.
I had high hopes for Joshua Johnson to have a place on MSNBC but he was pulled away for some reason. He was developing a good program.
Alicia Jacobsen Menendez is solid. Maddow is one of a kind, and Alicia is growing.
Will pay more attention to her
She's working so hard on her production regarding Spiro Agnew ("Bag Man") - who knew all this would come up right when she took the leave to do that work?? She was back for a few days at the start of the Ukraine war, but was gone again too soon. I miss her too, but it seems to me the rest of her team is doing their best to fill the space. Sigh.
Thanks for the update…Spiro Agnew’s story is worthwhile to document, but the timing isn’t too great considering the issues at hand.
Somebody like Maddow should write an expansive book on Bill Barr and his theocratic attacks on democracy.
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the media have no interest in fact-checking. first off, too many facts to check. second, they want people upset, yelling and throwing popcorn at the screen. they want a horse race. it's good for ratings. when things are explained, people calm down. that's called, bad tv.
Amen