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Maureen (Oregon by way of NH)'s avatar

I don’t comment regularly but as a mother of a military helicopter pilot, if my son did this, he would be court martialed

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Dutch Mike's avatar

In fascist regimes, the law only applies to citizens, not the ruling class.

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JDinTX's avatar

And that is exactly what we have. They didn’t slip in under the door. Just a little subterfuge and the Trojan Horses pranced right in and claimed the throne…

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Donna R's avatar

I love how no one wants to ever acknowledge the clear discrepancies we all witnessed in the last election. Just blame it on messaging, shrug, and refuse to even whisper the suggestion that the GOP’s years long campaign of crying about an election being stolen was yet another example of every accusation is a confession. And what will be done about this clear breach of protocol that put us all at risk? A very harshly worded statement from Chuck and Hakeem? This is like a nightmare we can’t wake up from and there are no heroes coming to wake us up.

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Susanna J. Sturgis's avatar

You may be overlooking four crucial factors in the 2024 election results: campaign spending, the ignorance (economic and otherwise) of the electorate, racism, and sexism.

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Bill Katz's avatar

Just the ignorance of the electorate is sufficient.

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David Clark's avatar

This is what we get when the Senate Republican's approve cabinet members who were nominated not for the qualifications to do the jobs (relevant experience and proven abilities) but only for their loyalty to Trump. Hegseth should be fired and replaced by someone with appropriate qualifications. Perhaps others in that group should be as well.

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MysticShadow's avatar

They are loyal to trump, and they are happily complicit in the destruction of our government and the end of our democracy.

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Cindy Gailey's avatar

None of them has any remorse about discussing "Battle Plans"on a publically used web site, trying to blame it on 'someone'. They all should be fired & major lawsuits filed against them. Didn't Obama have to give up his Blackberry because it wasn't secure enough?

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Chris Soden's avatar

Not perhaps but all heads should roll on this one.

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Anne-Louise Luccarini's avatar

Luckily the Supreme Head, in his infinite wisdom and compassion, says they're on a learning curve, nothing to worry about.

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gpm414's avatar

It's clear that the administrations elimination of the Dept. of Education is purposeful . Ignorance and the lack of critical thinking skills will be passed on for generations. But that's part of the plan. It's much easier to control people who believe everything their leader tells them. If I recall correctly, Nixon said, "if the President says it, it must be true"...."legal" (corrected)

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Ed Guerrant's avatar

Recall that Thomas Jefferson said that for a democracy to survive it needed an educated , informed citizenry.

Recall, too, that Trump maintains that ‘the press is the enemy of the people.’ And has banned the Associated Press from his press conferences. The traditional role of the AP is ground level reporting that other news organizations which don’t have “boots on the ground” in all of the far flung places around the world.

Between Trump’s war on the free press and actively lying to the American people, the American constitutional democratic republic is at an historically very precarious and dangerous crossroads. Crossroads are an old metaphors for where the Devil does his business of tempting. History is littered with dictators who tempted the masses with emotionally attractive but false calls for support, such as “I alone can fix this.”

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gpm414's avatar

Ed, thanks for our historical examples, including the most current from the delusional occupant(s) of the Oval office. I'm sensing that a wave of resistance is growing across America in every state. Press on regardless, we are not alone!

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WJB Motown's avatar

Resistance and saving democracy is now a full time job

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Anne-Louise Luccarini's avatar

That's not how the horrified readers of "Le Monde" are seeing it. They say the lack of resistance (demonstrations, marches etc) indicates that the American people aren't unhappy with what's going on.

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Latenightscientist's avatar

47% still approve of him despite all the chaos. They never hear about it on Fox or OAN. Their silo has thick walls to keep out facts. Those walls must come down if there is to be any way out of this short of catastrophe.

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gpm414's avatar

I'm not so sure their view of "lack of resistance" is correct, I'll have a bowl of Freedom Fries and think about that.

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Ricardo Grinbank's avatar

That's a bad reading of the evolving situation and the American people sentiments by Le Monde

We (not me) are totally new to confront and resist authoritarianism and we are use to let the institutions resolve conflicts. I think the American people is compartmentalizing and now it's the turn for the lawyers and judges and ultimately SCOTUS. It might end up as a Constitutional Crisis but that's is a possibility. Then, maybe, the corporations of all types, confronting a probability of a recession will react. And it might not result on anything positive.

Then ,maybe some states will get together in opposition to policies affecting their population weakening the Federal Government and then, when the pain reaches 90% of the population, maybe the people will react peacefully at the beginning and not so at the end. There's the possibility of the midterm election resolving much of the problem and paving the way back to normally. You know I don't think we'll have one for one reason or another but people can't even perceive that possibility. In reality there's overlapping in the described scenarios but the turning point will be the election for better or worse. Americans are optimistic at heart and that's why they are in observation mood. Sorry for such long reply 😔.

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Nevoustrumpezpas's avatar

I believe what Nixon said (supposedly) is, "If the president does it, it must be legal." I don't Nixon was quite so attached to ignorance as Trump and his disorderly team.

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Ed Guerrant's avatar

No supposedly about it. And the truth is even worse.

Here’s a direct quote, recorded for posterity on camera during a paid interview (Tricky Dick was low on cash at the time).

"When the President does it, that means it is not illegal" - Richard Nixon

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4JhzfwXLVP8&pp=ygUubml4b24gZnJvc3QgaW50ZXJ2aWV3IGlmIHRoZSBwcmVzaWRlbnQgZG9lcyBpdA%3D%3D

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Cindy Gailey's avatar

I remember wanting to throw up listening to Nixon trying to exert his powers. Didn't work for Tricky Dick.

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Bryan Sean McKown's avatar

No, & it did not work for many at the start of his political career when Tricky used smearing tactics & ran against the Actress, Helen Douglas & 'won'.

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gpm414's avatar

Ed, thanks for clarifying that statement. Didn't he also say, "I'm not a crook?" I think they both were lacking a moral compass.

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Justin Sayn's avatar

I was young and not particularly political when I heard him say that on my car radio. I will never forget it. It was at that moment that I knew for sure that he was, in fact, a crook.

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Bryan Sean McKown's avatar

Thank once again Ed Guerrant for for accurate historical facts & the Link.

Let's drill down on the use & abuse of the Signal App:

Let's start with Elon Felon's post to 182 Million followers: "There are known vulnerabilities with SIGNAL that are not being addressed."

How about a truly secure digital communications on the Signal App? Wikipedia: "Signal Messenger LLC" is responsible for the development of the Signal App and the "Signal Protocol".

Question: I s the use of Signal designed to digitally dissolve a violation of the fedral Public Records Act?

Bottom Line: The Committee will get the Transcript.

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Ed Guerrant's avatar

You asked, rhetorically I expect, “ Question: I s the use of Signal designed to digitally dissolve a violation of the fedral Public Records Act?”

It would seem pretty obviously yes.

The essential follow up question is whether Trump’s DOJ will do anything to investigate or stop him? And, again the answer is obvious: No, it won’t.

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D4N's avatar

Thanks Ed.. I love to have footnotes and that's one I didn't have at hand. Bravo !

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Ed Guerrant's avatar

Thank you D4N. Given my background in science I was trained to cite the sources underlying statements.

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Donald Twaddle's avatar

I truly believe the reactions at the town halls prove that the electorate has been kept in the dark, not that it is ignorant. For example, who knows what Machiavellian machinations caused schumer, et.cie.to throw their electorate under the bus.

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Maureen Moeller's avatar

The electorate can simply turn off FOX News and expand their reading material to avoid being kept in the dark. They are willfully ignorant and negligent of their own best interest.

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NLTownie's avatar

A goldfish doesn’t know much about water. Those inside the Fox bubble believe it when they are told they are the ones who have the inside info on what’s happening and the “lame-stream media” only provides “fake news”. Once you believe in Trump you inhabit a different time-space continuum.

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Tracie Lindquist's avatar

Once you believe FOX you inhabit a different space-time continuum. My ex and I started watching FOX when it was new on the scene because it had good shows and 10pm news. I didn't realize what it was doing to me until I divorced him and cut the cord. These people have been systematically brainwashed by the Faux News outrage machine over several decades. They have no idea it's happened and they have no idea what's going on the real world as a result. The only way to wake them up is to get them to disengage and that isn't going happen because, by now they're addicted to the fake outrage.

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gpm414's avatar

Change can be painful, but when it brings enlightenment, you're the winner of that battle. I love smart and critical thinking people. Best to you going forward.

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Nevoustrumpezpas's avatar

Hmm, isn't there a higher rate of divorce in red states, among, I would presume, mostly Fox viewers? But sorry it ended that way for you, Ma'am.

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Phyllis D's avatar

Yes Tracie, I have watched this in my family. Trying to reason with them is a waste of time.

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Anne-Louise Luccarini's avatar

You're right about the addiction to fake outrage. Makes them feel righteous.

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Virginia Witmer's avatar

But is MSM up to keeping the electorate informed?

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D4N's avatar

Not completely. Isn't that why we scour sources here on substack ? It's why I do.

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D4N's avatar

I think the 'calculus' was that causing a shut down was the worst of bad choices. I sort of believe that he wasn't wrong. Still don't like it; still a bad choice. Just not the worst choice.

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Anne-Louise Luccarini's avatar

Schumer's choice but not Sophie's choice.

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Ed Guerrant's avatar

Not just ignorance, but indifference.

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JK's avatar

Nah, it is mainly stupidity--which makes the case in these times for basic civics knowledge in order to vote.

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Jon Margolis's avatar

Democrats had plenty of money. Kamala raised more than a billion dollars. If we failed to educate voters, that’s on us.

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Jocelyn B's avatar

I think Kamala did a brilliant job. But she was telling the truth. The other side was lying non-stop. On top of what Susanna posted, above.

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Shauna's avatar

Lying and with a gargantuan amount ( TONS AND CONSTANT) of internet messaging in their favour...be it Russia or Brietbart. It was a FLOOD GATE with Joe Rogan and Candace Owen (+++) and, and, and , and FINSIHS OFF with Elon Musk.....bombarding the base and red states...no bloody wonder they won ( and then..just barely ) !!!!!

However...to think elections in the future will be Free and Fair is like saying that Jan 6th was just another ordinary day at the Capital. The autocrat trump, like putin (bestie with tips ) IS NOT GOING AWAY...they do NOT give up power and money..ever

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Sharon Stearley's avatar

It will take another 1929 depression to wake up the current people voting for only Republicans that lie to them. They were ripe for a conman!

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Ed Blanchard's avatar

Sadly Ms. Sterley, I think you may have it. When I think about what it will take to reverse all this madness, I think, "my God I will not be alive when the dust settles (I'm 80 this July)!

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Maureen Moeller's avatar

Joe Rogan stole my son. My bright, beautiful 46 year old son.

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Anne-Louise Luccarini's avatar

He fell for Putin's flattery ten years ago. Together we can rule the world (as he told Little Rocket Man, with glamorous video). Rule the world? He can't even rule America. Just destroy.

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progwoman's avatar

After she lost, it occurred to me that when conceding that Trump might be a fascist, it would have been more effective to spell out exactly what fascism is and does. Of course, those who needed the explanation probably weren't listening to that woman born of two immigrants.

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Maureen Moeller's avatar

And large segments of Americans chose not to vote or voted against their own best interest including (not exclusively) Mexican American men and Muslim Americans. Vietnamese Americans are incredibly supportive of tRumpf; believe that he will control illegals from entering the US. Their thinking is they took the proper channels and so should asylum seekers. Misogyny, racism and manufactured culture war crisis win every time.

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Ryan Collay's avatar

She was counseling drug treatment, the Sewer Circus was feeding mushrooms horseshit. Easier… and yes, if Biden had keep his promise, we would have multiple candidates and more time, a year, to vet who was the best...

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Monroe Morgret's avatar

"if Biden had kept his promise"

In the end, that is exactly what it boils down to!

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Phil's avatar

You cannot educate those who do not wish to be educated.

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Skepticat's avatar

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

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Sharon Stearley's avatar

I know one!

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Skepticat's avatar

ONLY ONE? Of course, that's already one too many.

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Jon Margolis's avatar

Don’t join the Nothing-Can-Be-Done Club and reject the Chicken Little Caucus

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Amy's avatar

Despising one's neighbor like this is exactly what loses us elections. At this point, if I were a paid operative for the Republican party I would post exactly what Phil here has posted.

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Dale Rowett's avatar

Amy, you're confusing honesty with hate. The concept of "willful ignorance" existed long before the Republican and Democratic parties.

Since you are a fan of the Bible, I suggest you check a concordance on "willful ignorance." Here is an example:

"But they refused to pay attention; stubbornly they turned their backs and covered their ears. They made their hearts as hard as flint and would not listen to the law or to the words that the Lord Almighty had sent by his Spirit through the earlier prophets. So the Lord Almighty was very angry." Zechariah 7:11-12NIV

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Tom's avatar

Dale, insufferable smugness snd arrogance like your comment is why people loathe Democrats.

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Anne B's avatar

I agree with you, Amy, and I think that what you said cannot be said too often.

Economics and propaganda won for Trump. Economics and continually stating the truth will be the best bets for defeating him.

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Anne-Louise Luccarini's avatar

Propaganda and millions of dollars plus bit of computerism from twitchy new pal Elon. And still Kamala came to within a whisker.

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D4N's avatar

In the long run.

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Tom's avatar
Mar 25Edited

Amy, best post of the day.

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Ryan Collay's avatar

Ignorance is blissfully so...learning, skills, family, hard work are the things we share in common, should not be.

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Anne-Louise Luccarini's avatar

"Those who wish to be foul, foul they will be."

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Ryan Collay's avatar

Not educated, drug treatment…how many people know their phones have an off switch?! Do any of you remember ‘Max Headroom’? The last show the main character, a sort of journalist, goes to the supreme leader’s house and is starring at the TV…The supreme leader smiles…the TV is off.

The journalist yells, ‘You have an off switch!’ Fade to black…

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Nancy Fleming's avatar

Jon, some people refuse to be educated. I send these Letters to fifteen supposedly educated people, and my guess is that many of them don't bother to spend the ten minutes necessary to read them, some admitting that "politics upsets them." If they were the only ones that will suffer the consequences of their fecklessness, I'd be okay with that, but I resent the hell out of their refusal to be participants in righting the ship while the rest of us suffer for their stupidity and ignorance.

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Anne B's avatar

They say, "politics upsets them." That's fear. If we want to blame them for being afraid, then ok, maybe we have never been afraid - which can't be true.

Being angry at frightened people is a waste of time and unhealthy. Showing our anger to them can be counterproductive. They usually retreat further into their denials.

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Nancy Fleming's avatar

Anne, I never act angry with these people, nor do I blame them. Having experienced fear at times over my 82 years, cowering in a corner is what is counterproductive and unhealthy. I never argue with these people, and hope that they will read enough to understand the threat we're living under. The people that I mentioned are sometimes inclined to argue politics, and I tell them calmly that since we differ, it's a hot button issue and I prefer not to debate and ruin a relationship.

My displeasure with our current situation and the people who have allowed it to still be with us and to have grown more threatening, especially since we all experienced four years of Trump and knew what a liar and criminal he is, does make me angry and I own my feelings. However, I don't use those people that I know personally who are to some extent responsible for this dilemma as whipping boys. I avoid them when possible.

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D4N's avatar

What else can you do without causing more damage ?

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Nancy Fleming's avatar

D4N, I think that finally people who are disgusted with the current disaster are beginning to shake off their torpor and are vociferously demonstrating all over the country. My frustration, though, is that there is little foreknowledge of the demonstrations. I read yesterday in the Atlanta Journal Constitution that Jon Ossoff had a rally to announce his candidacy to retain his Senate seat next year. I check frequently online to find demonstrations in my area, and have participated in the few that I've found, but I had heard not a word about Ossoff's rally. I've donated to his campaign, and he's very vulnerable, since I'm sure that our current Governor, Brian Kemp, who is term limited, will probably run against Ossoff next year. I emailed Ossoff last night and asked to participate in any future events, telling him that I had no idea it was in the works. The problem with the Democrats, in my view, is that there isn't enough coordination in their strategies, and I'd like to find a central site, other than depending on groups like Indivisible, etc.

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D4N's avatar

Yes Anne, I totally agree. I speak my truth casually as I can without rancor; I feel like it's the best I can do without damage.

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D4N's avatar

I've come across that repeatedly; family and friends that actually believe that cfg is 'not' a politician and therefore, a legitimate wise choice. We know better; As soon as he entered the arena he officially became a politician, but as poor a politician as he is a businessman. Has all the qualifications for bs to cause many to believe in him - obvious to me anyway.

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Nancy Fleming's avatar

D4N, those people probably believe the BS that he's a great businessman, as in "The Art of the Deal." If they can stand to listen to him for any length of time, they would learn that he's a racist, misogynist, malignant narcissist, loves and kisses the rings of every Authoritarian that he meets and isn't bright enough to know he's being played. They'll learn only if his current schemes are successful, and they'll suffer, as will we, damn it!

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D4N's avatar

That's the part that really hurts; That we will have to suffer too.

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Virginia Witmer's avatar

Nancy, You have described Childe Donald as well as the diapered balloon.

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Nancy Fleming's avatar

Yes, Virginia, as does equally insecure and unhinged Musk and the rest of their entourage.

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Monroe Morgret's avatar

No amount of money could change the fact that Kamala (whom I voted for and will again) is a black female.

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Jan Barrett's avatar

Forget gender, forget ethnicity. Ms. Harris is smart, courageous, and very well spoken - all necessary attributes of a leader.

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Monroe Morgret's avatar

"all necessary attributes of a leader"

In the 2024 presidential election there was only one necessary attribute - to be a white male driven by hate and resentment.

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Ryan Collay's avatar

easier than thinking...hate and fear, marketing 101...'Ring around the collar.'

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Tom's avatar

Please. Thinking that’s why she lost is to close your eyes to the disaster thst was Biden’s decision to run again.

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Virginia Witmer's avatar

I believe that Biden thought Kamala could only be elected the first time as his vice president. I believed it too, seeing the strength of the racism. Americans have consistently failed to see the intelligence and patriotism of the pair of them. I doubt they understood the stupidity of the voters. At 91, feeling the opprobrium of many because of my age (culminating in being labeled “demented” by a doctor when I couldn’t recite the names of my 5 medications and apparently didn’t really care enough about the failure).

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B.W.J.'s avatar

Damn that shitty doctor. Virginia, I am 86 and know exactly what you mean when my neurologist asked me to repeat back three words for short term memory, and I said no, I did not want to. And quite frankly, I did not.Hang tough, Virginia. Billie W.J.

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Monroe Morgret's avatar

I have commented several times that in the end this falls on Biden lying about planning to be a one term president.

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D4N's avatar

I didn't take it as a lie. I think that he really believed that he was the strongest candidate to beat cfg. He didn't believe Kamala could overcome all the bias 'out there.'

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Doug G's avatar

I agree, Jon. And the ignorance, racism and sexism has always been there. It was a failure to turn out, despite the many calls to do so. I wonder if a lot of people said, "Meh. She's got this. She won't need my vote."

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Tom's avatar

For all you fine folks who have no problem painting GOP voters (especially the large contingent who were Biden / Trump voters) as racist, ignorant, and sexist, I have two messages: 1 this smug arrogance is why so many people not only disagree with Democrats but loathe them and 2 failure to acknowledge why we lost (a doddering, rhetorically helpless president who abandoned any control of the border, and ignored three years of high prices).

Those of you who tsk tsk that the electorate has no economic understanding (I guess the implication is that a truly knowledgable person would then not vote to fire the old guy in charge as well as the new candidate who also had no plan about prices) you have clearly not learned the lesson of Carter or Bush 1 and high prices. Inflation and high prices get presidents fired come election day.

My first degree was in Economics so don’t tell me that Biden couldn’t address high prices. Break up the grocery monopolies. Break up the meat producers near monopoly. Fund the building of new homes and apartments. Aid for child care costs. Threaten to break up oil companies if they don’t increase refining capacity.

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Jon Margolis's avatar

I agree with most of what you day, But, in fact--like, you know, actual reality--inflation in the US was considerably lower than in other comparable nations, and slowed continuously for more than a year before the election. Democrats did not do a good enough job of communicating that. Democrats still have not learned how to fight a continuous streaming of 100% lies. We are still being too nice.

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Cindy Gailey's avatar

I do wish more polititical persons would speak the truth & remind folks of the good stuff that has been accomplished along with how the current admin. is hurting the US. Stop being so nice! Telling truths is sometimes hard but, we all need to hear from them.

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Jon Margolis's avatar

Corruption and disloyalty are what they are. They need to be called out over and over. And over.

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Ryan Collay's avatar

Reality should win...so why is it so hard to share facts, common, known truths? The best economy in the world! But the Faux and other megaphones won-out, selling drugs...

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Jon Margolis's avatar

Sadly, it sometimes takes considerable work to get people to see where their true interests lie. It's terribly frustrating, but what choice is there?

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D4N's avatar

He (it) will ignore facts from others than itself. This is a new name for an old propagandist herein.

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Tom's avatar

Hmmm… but the American voters lived in this country. And, yes, the rate of inflation was slowing, but prices remained too high. The prices for housing, autos, gas, child care, and groceries rose an average of 26% in 3+ years. Few presidents could survive that. And certainly not one who touted all other aspects of the economy and addressed high prices only to dismiss them.

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Steve Hinds's avatar

Yes and - every effort to reinvigorate Teddy Roosevelt efforts to bust monopolies and encourage competition were met with Republican opposition. Listen to Bernie - the Dems did a great job at the macro level - systems based - e.g. stock market, they did a poor job walking arm-in-aerm with the hurting working man and woman. No competition means high prices. It is, in the end, the economy - putting food on the table, not getting rich in the stock market.

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Tom's avatar

Excuses. The Republicans (even MAGA) loved Lina Khan at the FTC and backed her targeting monopolies. And the executive branch doesn’t need R votes to sue monopolies, so you don’t know what you are talking about.

As for Bernie, he is a demagogue whose only talent is talk. He has never originated or passed a significant bill (co-sponsor on the popular bills someone else originated, yes). He routinely shits on the Democratic party, never in a constructive way.

He contributed to our loss in ‘16 by his pouty, spoiler attitude after Hillary got the nomination. And he stayed in the primaries for 60 days after he was mathematically eliminated.

As for the Dems not doing a good job with the working man (and woman), it gets back to Biden not just ignoring high prices, but waving the issue away by touting his 19 Nobel economists praising his economy. Biden was out of touch, much like Bush 1, and he snd Harris paid the price.

It’s past time to face the fact that what lost the election was Biden’s decision to run as a feeble old man, three years of criminally mismanaging the border, and his absolute failure to deal with high prices.

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D4N's avatar

The 'skill' to talk out one's tail is pretty common; even here from a few.

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D4N's avatar

"My first degree was in Economics so don’t tell me that Biden couldn’t address high prices." Tell us how ? You should have run one must imagine.

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D4N's avatar

Turnout was a huge factor. So was the gerrymander and voter disqualifications.

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Gail H's avatar

I voted for her, but I have to say, all the talk of "joy" put even ME off. People weren't feeling joy. Democrats refused to notice that.

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Sharon Stearley's avatar

We could have had "joy" instead of this "chaos" we have experienced every day since "January 20th". It has been a nightmare. In my nearly 82 years..... this is a first for me! I wonder every morning when I wake what the idiots did yesterday....that was quietly hidden until it becomes "breaking news". I had to change the channel when they Tulsi Gabbard on the stand to defend their antics with our national defense. This is serious!

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Gail H's avatar

Joy is great, but it wasn't selling. That was a failure by the Democrats. They didn't read the room. Instead, they projected an image voters weren't feeling. They must learn from that and do better next time.

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Marycat2021's avatar

There was too much talk about trans people's rights, and too much pro-Israel rhetoric while Palestinians were being slaughtered by US weapons. Biden's egotism and his "great friendship" with Netanyahu bolstered by AIPAC was offensive. Americans found little in Biden/Harris they could identify with.

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Alison's avatar

No, I don't buy it. Do you know any MAGA people? Nothing will educate a people with their eyes closed, their fingers in their ears, and their sole source of information is fox etc or Russian backed bropodcasters.

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Steve Hinds's avatar

Well, I am not sure I put the blame on us. The blame is on an uninformed citizenry who chose laziness in listening to propaganda over researching factual news. The blame is on an army of lemmings versus exercizing the brain.The failure is not on those who stayed informed, it is on those who refused to seek the facts, or stayed home. A non vote is inexcusable but is truly repugnant when democracy is on the line.

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Marycat2021's avatar

The blame goes on the big money interests and oligarchs who backed the fascists.

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Tom's avatar

Please don’t run for office. We need candidates who know how to reach the voters no matter how uninformed or lazy, or however you describe them.

The fact is that many voters who either voted the other way or stayed home are the people who make our lives possible: mechanics and public employees, and teachers, and tradespeople. They work very hard and don’t spend their time researching political issues. Yet Bill Clinton reached them, as did Obama snd GW Bush, and JFK.

These are voters we need next time. Persuading them to vote for us because we carefully outline their shortcomings and give them research assignments is probably not the way to go.

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D4N's avatar

Now, all that I agree with.

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MysticShadow's avatar

And the media

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william richter's avatar

You may feel a bit better about your fellow citizens if you hear Greg Palast's report on the effect of outrageous vote suppression on the election.

In some states you can "challenge" thousands of other voters, knock them off lists, and, if they catch on in time force them to go to considerable trouble to register again. If they don't discover the knife in the back before they go to vote, they're turned away.

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D4N's avatar

I did read him and others on just that topic. Huge factor in swing states. Here again though, why wasn't the opposition on top of that ? The R's even made their outrageous, to us unthinkable plans to disrupt the vote known.

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Christine's avatar

Don’t forget 36% that didn’t give a rats ass and didn’t vote!

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D4N's avatar

That too. Circular firing squads vs a highly unified gop.

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Cindy Gailey's avatar

NO excuse for not voting! Don't give me your BS reasons.

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DebbieM (OH)'s avatar

All of those factors play a part in the 2024 election, but so does Republican tampering. There's no doubt in my mind.

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Ryan Collay's avatar

Ignorance but willful ignorance, ‘it’s my tribe’ shared ignorance, something much more intentional and tribal…like ‘believing’ in Noah’s Arc is required for some to express their fealty, and we have ‘museums’ in the United States with arcs on display, all vehemently anti-science. So religion and politics, for them, have no truth based on thinking because it would violates their fealty! They are good at defecting…it is required for membership in their worlds…sexism, racism are all easier than thinking. And certainly easier than empathy! Or Love for that matter. Money can’t buy you love, but it can feed ignorance.

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Jennifer Britton's avatar

Exactly so!

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kdsherpa's avatar

"every accusation is a confession" And that's been the case since 2015 when the orange sadist appeared on the scene.

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Shauna's avatar

"every accusation is a confession"...that is IT

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kdsherpa's avatar

I remember watching the 2016 repugnicant debates, and then the Presidential debates, and being astonished that EVERY SINGLE WORD that came out of that guy's mouth was a PROJECTION! I honestly couldn't believe it. And worse: I couldn't believe that NO ONE in the media seemed to notice it, let alone call him on it. As a psychiatrist, I know about "defense mechanisms". The most primitive one is: PROJECTION.

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D4N's avatar

Right ?....

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Philip Schaffner's avatar

You are correct. While accusing Democrats of stealing elections the Republicans are the ones actually doing it. All the discussion about mainstream media and big money in politics is certainly important but there is little mention of election subversion. Voter suppression in Red states was significant enough a factor to have changed the outcome in 2024, just as it likely did in 2000 Bush/Gore.

https://chicagocrusader.com/palast-voter-suppression-cost-harris-the-2024-presidential-election/

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Judith Smith 1111's avatar

Donna R -- and others: Here's what Pete Buttigieg has to say about this!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tITVY8zvIOQ

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Laurie MacNeill Clancy's avatar

Thank you for this link, Judith.

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D4N's avatar

Thx Judith. Great video.

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Victoria Wilson's avatar

There is no way in hell that Trump and Musk didn’t cheat in the last election.Even if nothing ever comes of it, I remain convinced of this.Too many discrepancies.Musk has all of those satellites and skilled techies working for him.I agree about the nightmare part.I almost think the country needs a mass exorcism to rid us of this scourge.

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Tom's avatar

In no precinct in this country are voting machines hooked up to the internet. And do you really believe that a bunch of nerdy incels could keep that secret?

He won. We lost. The sooner we accept it the sooner we can fix what we need to.

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M A Schreck's avatar

“ … every accusation is a confession.” — What an excellent observation. It is also a promise of what Trump intends to do. “They weaponized the DOJ,” means “I will weaponize the DOJ.”

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Heather Elowe's avatar

There is VERY suspicious data analyses around certain swing state districts!! Until we verify some of these we can’t trust election integrity. I agree that bigotry, suppression and disinformation played a large role but to not have irrefutably addressed some of the concerns (there were weaknesses in the ‘statements’ about the security of the systems) was negligent.

Overview: https://youtu.be/cdg5YFwNayQ?feature=shared

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Tom's avatar

There is no one reputable making the claims you talk about. We lost because we had a candidate who was too old to run, too old to talk spontaneously, and who criminally mismanaged the border. And who was too out of touch on high prices. Who then left his VP 105 days for her entire campaign.

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D4N's avatar

You are spouting "Faux" talking points. Biden and the dems tried to address the border issues and even presented a compromise plan that favored the R side of the aisle. Your hero blew it up. You leave out critical facts like the U.S. inflation was lower than any other western democracy and 'dropping' when the administrations changed. Kamala was a great candidate - period.

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Gjay15's avatar

Amen

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JL Riley's avatar

NO, we gave it to them…our Party and it’s leaders, basically handed it over to them - not just once - but twice!

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Bill Katz's avatar

Yes we did and we always have. Joe Biden should have run for president in2016 then retired. Seriously, it’s his fault.

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Carolyn Bakula (Madison, WI)'s avatar

In reading some of the comments here, I am dismayed that you are spiraling out about a lost election by democrats. Seriously? Are you bots?

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Dale Rowett's avatar

Carolyn, I have decided that it's time for me to block Bill Katz, because his posts meet the definitions of spam (relentlessly pushes his so-called "book"), disinformation (pushes his wrong-headed opinions as fact) and he contributes nothing positive or beneficial to the conversation. In short, Katz is a troll who claims to be "on our side," but constantly throws grenades into these discussions.

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D4N's avatar

And is here (like another) to grandstand and advertise, along with addressing many of us as idiots.

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Bill Katz's avatar

No I’m an opinion writer. Read my book, “Donald’s Vanity Tantrums “ you’ll love.

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Tom's avatar

And you answered this criticism by… again touting your book.

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D4N's avatar

lol....

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Jon Margolis's avatar

Get over yourself.

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Doug G's avatar

Agreed. Time for me to use the "eject" button again. That VHS tape is worn out.

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Bill Katz's avatar

no problem. when you report me, you will avoid any comments displayed here from your seeing eyes.

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Doug G's avatar

I'm not reporting anybody, Bill. I try to give people I have issues with second and even third chances. Cheers, though. Maybe we'll talk again when you stop self-promoting, or blaming Biden and the border. And comment away…you have every right to…

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Bill Katz's avatar

Why do you call yourself an ole curmudgeon?

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Jon Margolis's avatar

Because I am old (not ole) and a curmudgeon. Why else?

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JL Riley's avatar

That was my opinion before that election - I really felt that that’s what his favored son wanted!

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JohnM upstateNY's avatar

JL, Bill & Carolyn, PLEASE take a step or two back and LOOK at all the Republicans have done to gerrymander and suppress votes then the highly suspicious results of ballot counting in all seven swing states all showing just enough of a margin to avoid a recount with statistically dramatic “drop-off” votes filling those margins. Other than the Democrats’ failure to keep up with all the nefarious processes, this WAS NOT the Democrats’ or Joe Bidens’ “fault”. Again, let’s stop with the circular firing squads.

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SJR's avatar

Thank you, JohnM! Exactly. Turning on our own people is playing into the hands of the GOP and MAGAs.

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Carol T Cox (NJ to VA to FL)'s avatar

JohnM, I am so grateful for your comment. As I was reading what people are saying, I was feeling exactly the same as what you have expressed so well. If anyone is interested in knowing about the hard work being done to prove what actually did take place during the past election, check out https://electiontruthalliance.org/

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SJR's avatar

Thank you for the link, Carol.

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D4N's avatar

Thanks Carol !

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Nancy Fleming's avatar

JohnM, thank you for this. Your mention of "circular firing squads", added to refusing to fight fire with fire is a big problem for the Dems. It needs to stop!

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JohnM upstateNY's avatar

Nancy, while I appreciate your recognition, I have serious reservations about “fighting fire with fire” if it means resorting to many of the same Republican scams and outright illegal activities. We (our nation) have the necessary and sufficient tools to combat their illegalities within the Constitution. These tools just take longer and require a sincere conviction that in the end they will work. After all, we have 240 years of experience with this form of government and our belief in it is precisely why we are fighting these oligarchs and kakistocrats. Those guys who first put that document together did some serious thinking and soul-searching to construct the longest-lasting real democracy in modern history.

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Nancy Fleming's avatar

JohnM, in no way did I mean to suggest that we should stoop to dirty tricks or illegal, unethical behavior. I do, however, favor frequent, large public peaceful demonstrations showing our anger and outrage at their criminality and the few remaining guardians of our nation taking a strong stand. Because, for the most part, the courts have refused to cave to these people, and appeals have mostly been denied, eventually the current lawsuits will work their way to SCOTUS. That is scary, considering the super majority that the MAGAs are counting on. There, too, showing our outrage could have a chilling effect on SCOTUS' zealous defense of this motley crew and adherence to Leonard Leo's ideology. My hope is that the few sane ultra conservatives on the Court will worry about a Democratic takeover of the House and Senate in 2026 and the real possibility of term limits and/or adding or deleting members on the Court.

I agree that our Constitution is a fine, thoughtful document. However, the authors could hardly have envisioned the current disaster, and Project 2025 was written to incorporate shock and awe, as the Republicans favor such. That requires the incorporation of philosophy that the current ruling party is not comprised of gentlemen and scholars, but scoundrels and thieves, and dealing with them cannot include treating them as they were envisioned in the 18th century. With the speed at which our principles and our very democracy are being destroyed, we can't dare to believe that the cure will be effective in the next election without the few guardrails that remain being strengthened.

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Tom's avatar

This is the equivalent of blue Quanon. Gerrymandering has no affect on the presidential vote (or a Senate election). Only the House at the Federal level.

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JohnM upstateNY's avatar

Tom, thank you for your reminder! You are quite correct, however, how different would the Democrats’ position be, not to mention that of the Republicans were tRump NOT to have the nearly lock-step backing of the House? Gerrymandering is something Dems do too, just not as well nor as effectively and in many fewer states.

Have you any insight into the differential between Republican and Democratic states' rules about winner-take-all vs proportional results?

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D4N's avatar

Here here John. There are some takeaways though from the circular firing squad when I think about it though; If nothing else a list of failing to comb through for 'lessons learned' or not factual or significant. This last election was like 'death by a million small cuts.' Conclusion: The party leadership needs an overhaul, among other things.

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Bill Katz's avatar

Any time I point my finger, the cheerleaders here accuse me of being mean toward ole grandpa Biden. Are you kidding? He lost this election because he refused to address what most Americans wanted which was to stop hundreds of thousands and millions rushing over hot sands to enter illegally this nation. And anyone who disagrees with this premise, is simply wrong. Anytime I ask anyone why they voted for Trump the answer is summed in one word; Border.

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Phil's avatar

No, you answered correctly earlier, ignorance. Too damn ignorant to know what is being done, or at least efforts being made, to damn stubborn to look because it might change their minds. "Don't pass that immigration bill" did you forget that?

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Louise's avatar

Please - "it's" is a contraction of the words "it is". The possessive has no apostrophe, as in "our party and its leaders".

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Cindy Gailey's avatar

Ah yes! Someone like me that hates improper punctuation! Should read: Rebel with a Clause.

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Kathy Clark's avatar

I find myself omitting the apostrophe in a lot of words just because its too much trouble. True story.

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Judith Smith 1111's avatar

Kathy Clark -- What you claim as "too much trouble" (to spell correctly) actually shows a total disregard and even disdain for your readers. This also goes for not correcting typos.

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Gerald Lewis's avatar

Predictably, we see the continual defensive squabbllng from the diehard loyalists about how Biden was faultless--this when all the manuevers of the coupsters went unchallenged and unaddressed. This small coterie of emotionally motivated loyalists, unyielding in their adamancy, blind by all common sense, present serious and confusing obstacle to the changes and realinements needed if the Democratic Party--the party of the common people--is to survive in any coherent form. Clearly serious change is needed, the voting public is demanding it, demanding an organized force to finally put up a strong fight. Witness the rapidly growing support of Bernie and AOC, two who were intentionally trivialized and neutered by the Biden cabal. Biden's actions to silence them speaks volumes, delanding that nobody speak out and present real motivation to fight back.

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Heather Elowe's avatar

Case in point about ‘circular firing squads’ mentioned above. I find a lot to disagree with here. But that’s not a way to create a legit platform for resistance and Bernie & AOC would be the first to say so.

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Gerald Lewis's avatar

Bernie and AOC are doing just great on their own. They are both shrewd pols, and are operating from the dunce chair the Biden political cartel put them in. Wisely, they internalize their feelings about how the voters have gone from smug smirking to listening with growing enthusiasm. They see no need to gloat, and the value not to do so.. When you say " . . . that's not a way to create a legit platform for resistence . . ." I see an attempt on your part to utilize projection to include Bernie and AOC substantiazing no criticism of Biden. Bernie and AOC were trivialized and

humiliated by Biden's troops. Yet, consumate and skilled as they both are, they advanced 'a legit platform of resistence' without further scattering voting democrats and now returning independents. But your projection implies they have no criticism of the Biden- controlled party. That is a bullshit assumption, and pollutes to the voters the need to make sure they understand that a new party is afoot, and the old Biden clique must be gone.

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sandy daly's avatar

We have turned the country over to "the gang who couldn't shoot straight"!

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Stephanie Banks's avatar

We should all engage in a national shout --- "LOCK THEM ALL UP!!"

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Donna R's avatar

While I agree I also fear that this will disappear with the next news cycle. Dems will once again shrug, do nothing but stand in front of cameras and make strong statements and then whine about how there is nothing more they can do.

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Doug G's avatar

Well, Donna, there's something we can all do on April 5: join one of the many demonstrations across the country. Meanwhile, I'm calling my 2 senators and 2 reps again today.

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Joanne Beck's avatar

They are all Felons under the big orange ballon Felon.

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Gayle Cureton's avatar

That would be ideal!

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

National security.

Heather has documented that some Congressional Republicans objected to US NATO policy last week, Besides Mike Rogers and Roger Wicker, many other Congressional Replublicans have called out Trump on national security. Mike Turner R Ohio and many others in essence call Trump a liar re Putin and Ukraine.

We only need a few to have shared government -- without Trump/Vance.

Besides national security, consituents and donors have to be pissed about Musk/DOGE. The entire cattle industry is in panic and so should about 20 Republican senators and dozens of House members in cow country. Every car dealer and the big three should be pissed about Trump's Tesla infrormercial. Everyone whon receives any govenment benefit od any kind should be concerned. Anyone who does business with Canada and Mexico.

Feathers of Hope. https://jerryweiss.substack.com/

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Sophia Demas's avatar

Speaking about national security, I've got to comment on the breach of it that Heather's newsletter features today. I was watching the hearings with these clueless inept people placed in important positions including Mike Johnson. They put our country and military in danger with their games and incredibly are poo-pooing like it was nothing!

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Kathy Clark's avatar

WE might need more than a few???

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

To take the Hoiuse, to trigger everything, only need 3. Reaf Feathers of Hope.

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Jean(Muriel)'s avatar

Anyone who has pride in oneself would not accept this with a simple “what the ?”

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

We have to apply pressure!!!!

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Mozart's avatar

Agree!

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Bonny Becker's avatar

I don't like characterizing the people involved as amateurs and clowns. It diminishes what they did here. These are people who decide to send Americans into harms way. American military volunteers are killed and maimed based on their decisions. This is beyond clowns and amateurs. It's a disgrace and a slap in the face to those who choose to risk their lives for us.

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Dutch Mike's avatar

You're right. I would say they are more like evil, malicious little toddlers. They have no idea what they are doing, and laughing about the harm they are causing.

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Bill Katz's avatar

Where has Jon Rosen gone? Come back, Jon. We love you.

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Dutch Mike's avatar

Don't know! He is critical, but definitely not a pain in the *ss like Ricky Return-to-Sender or John Sméagol... Can't imagine Jon getting blocked.

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Daniel Solomon's avatar

Was on Joyce Vance this morning......

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Dutch Mike's avatar

Jon was?

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Reader/Writer's avatar

And here we are. Each day a new low.

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Dutch Mike's avatar

Yep. And we're only two months in.

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Linda Mitchell, KCMO's avatar

Exactly. Will anything happen to these motherfuckers? Nope. Because not. enough. Dems. are. hitting. the. ceiling. And the "press" might be enjoying the discomfiture of the so-called administration (aka the clown car of idiots) but they won't do anything to jeopardize their supposed access.

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Hiro's avatar

Replying to your comment to me, I am realizing we voters must first assume responsibility for the actions of those elected. Then we need to respond for their lies.

For Trump administration waiting for next election 2028 is too long as you would also agree with. Thus what can we do now? Professor provides with data to act on. We are in a new era of learning to defend democracy.

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Dutch Mike's avatar

Oh, definitely... But it all starts with education, and it's exactly there where the Republicans started their long game in the 80's; social media did the rest...

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Hiro's avatar

Very relevant. And this fascist administration was elected by voters. So they were responsible. Do not complain.

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Dutch Mike's avatar

My first reaction was: yeah, you're damn right! But then I was thinking: can you blame voters who have been literally programmed 40 years long to think what the Heritage Foundation wants them to think?

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Ned McDoodle's avatar

There is one possibly decent aspect to this story. Maybe Director Waltz, who sounds level-headed, felt this use of a public social medium was wrong but did not feel strong enough to challenge the bully brigade. Accordingly. he "axidentally" brought Mr Goldberg into the feeding frenzy to guarantee a scandal sufficient to end the practice elsewhere. Though I am prone to wishful thinking, I only give assign to this scenario a 25-30% chance of being true.

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Susan.L.Knox's avatar

You are giving him too much credit. He wouldn't be on Donald's team if he had a conscience.

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Ned McDoodle's avatar

Yes, hence the low probability of that scenario panning out, even for Pollyanna Ned.

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Kirk Somerville's avatar

The messenger will be dealt with.Maybe there is a god. Someone wanted US to know.

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Ricardo Grinbank's avatar

Lock them up....all of them ,and hide the key in one of those Musk 's rockets that never comes back.

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Abby Hillman's avatar

Better yet--send them up in one of his rockets.

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James Vander Poel's avatar

Remember that Tesla roadster he launched into space? I suggested months ago that he be the driver in the next one.

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Ricardo Grinbank's avatar

I like your idea better than mine Abby 😄. Please guarantee it's a one way flight.

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Barbara Keating's avatar

👆this!!!

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Heather Elowe's avatar

I think some time in a certain camp in El Salvador might be in order…

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Ned McDoodle's avatar

Exactamundo.

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Sandra P. Campbell's avatar

Talk about your 'not ready for primetime players'.............................

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Lady Emsworth's avatar

I would laugh if it wasn't so sad. You give Waltz too much credit.

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Kathy Hughes's avatar

The whole thing is stunningly inept and careless of national security. This is hat I’d expect of the kakistocracy Trump has created.

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Barbara Keating's avatar

At this point, Kathy, I’m starting to think of it more as a

ca-ca-stocracy or maybe a crapistocracy….

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Joanne Beck's avatar

Everything is inept when that orange crap has his hand in it.

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PXLM1728's avatar

I wonder about this possibility, too. Director Waltz or someone who works for him could have been tasked with setting up the chat group.

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MLMinET's avatar

If he had that much courage (which isn’t much) or intelligence, he wouldn’t be working for this administration.

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Ned McDoodle's avatar

Well, i think several members of Team Treason are rationalizing that they are inside the tent to contain Trump. Problem remains: each little compromise one makes to stay in the tent slowly boils him or her to death in the treason, the hapless frog. My apologies to frogs: y'all play a vital role in the cycle of life. Please due sue me, frogs, for libel.

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Kate S's avatar

Wow this is a great great point. I hadn’t thought of this - you can’t “accidentally” add someone to a text chat.

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lauriemcf's avatar

how i wish I could imagine that were the case. As of now I don't think there are any moles in the administration.

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Jen Andrews's avatar

I've not been impressed with the cred of waltz, but he had to know this was totally unacceptable. But a drunk as his boss is unpredictable, and he probably really likes his new gig, especially since he knows he's unqualified.

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Ned McDoodle's avatar

PXLM raised an interesting possibility: an aide for Director Waltz planted Mr Goldberg in the lewd chain.

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Bill Katz's avatar

Plausible, Mr. McDoodle. But alas, likely just Saturday morning TV clowns amusing each other in fake roles.

Perhaps to meet the full theatrical entertainment capacity, reps from the Houthi’s office of public affairs should have been invited to the super duper security meeting.

Security Director Michael Waltz: “Good morning folks, this is so fun. Our first bombing run after giving all the honors to our Orthodox friends in Jerusalem. We have Houthi man of the hour, Abdul-Malik Bader al-Din al Houthi, also known as Shorty.”

“He will be addressing concerns about eating pork and oh ya, bombing thingies.”

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Bill Katz's avatar

As usual, I’m thinking my next satire for my blog.

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Ned McDoodle's avatar

Bill, your smart and sassy satires always make me giggle.

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Doug G's avatar

Ned, I agree with you more often than not. Not on that point, though: this regime is a clown car careering through the hallowed halls of our once-respected (though not without its flaws) American government. This is all because of the narcissistic vanity of one fatted golden cow who broke American law, was investigated for it, who delayed and eventually evaded justice, and is now content to hire amateurs, drunks and fools to run the good ship America into the shoals while he is off golfing. This incident is now yet another internet meme and the subject of late night comedy, but we oughtn't be laughing.

And the other sad part about this is that he'll get away with it yet again.

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Ned McDoodle's avatar

Very persuasive. My hope was not that strong; thank you for ending it, altogether. Yet PXLM did raise the possibility of a subordinate of Director Waltz planting Mr Goldberg to chain-gang.

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Doug G's avatar

Anything is possible, Ned, including that (and if that happened, maybe the leaker should get a medal for bringing this to our attention, before being fired and possibly brought up on charges.) But still, the use of an unsecured commercial comms app to exchange classified info on a military action is shockingly, stupidly dangerous. I just watched the hearing on C-SPAN in which some of the participants in the chat claimed amnesia or denial that the info was classified. Shameful.

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Cindy Gailey's avatar

It was hard to hear/ see T say he didn't know anything about the 'leak'. And was that because the others thought T too stupid to know what they were doing?

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Doug G's avatar

Cindy, I assume your question is rhetorical.

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Ned McDoodle's avatar

Trump knew.

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Ned McDoodle's avatar

I doubt it; my bigger concern is that the use of an unsecured channel was deliberate so that Putrid could get in on the fun.

Russia, give us those 33,000 e-mails between you and Team Treason.

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Ned McDoodle's avatar

HEY EVERYONE,

Thank you for your quips and humor. We live in grim times. You gave me a yooj morale booster-shot. Thank you.

Ned McDonnell.

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Sharon's avatar

However, every one of these morons knew they shouldn’t be doing this. They’re the same guys who went to sexual harassment training then went out and made crude remarks to women in the workplace. DonOLD has a classified documents case against him that risks our national security and they all were on his side in saying it’s okay if he shares that with our adversaries. After all, he’s the king. He got away with it. Nothing will happen to them here, they won’t even throw someone under the bus.

DonOLD didn’t know it happened because he’s not cognizant enough to know what’s happening 90% of the time.

JD Vance sent out a spokesman to make sure a clear message was sent that he supports Trump 100% because he was caught not supporting Trump. I’m surprised he didn’t use the same line as Hegseth and claim that none of it happened.

I worry for my grandchildren’s future.

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Ned McDoodle's avatar

And worry we should, Sharon.

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Harvey Kravetz's avatar

Based on competence almost every one of them should be court-martialed including trump. Only if court-martial applied.

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Brown Cecelia Linda's avatar

PXLM1728. He changes all the laws at will. It’s time we did the same. Or just claim Treason. That what all this is!

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Janice Bell's avatar

Doesn’t apply to Trump he’s got immunity for anything official act in office. Thank You SCOTUS. Does not apply to his administration leaders.

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MLMinET's avatar

But tfg didn’t know!! Not his job.

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KR (OH)'s avatar

The buck stops anywhere else, unless he can stuff it in his pocket.

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JohnM upstateNY's avatar

ML, that IS one of his standard go-to responses when he doesn’t know what to say or forgot or wants to disassociate himself from something gone wrong.

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Maureen Moeller's avatar

He will NEVER take responsibility. He’s a conman through and through.

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ClaireBlue's avatar

Everyone on that group chat (except Goldberg) must be fired. Not one of them intervened to say their war planning on a public app was illegal or even inadvisable. My son said the Army would have had his head for a breach like this.

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Michael Doherty's avatar

Please thank your son for his service. And thank you to all the parents out there whose son or daughter is risking their lives each day so that we can be safe. And thank you parents because you’re also serving. The least we can do is get out there and protest this clown show. Praying for you all.

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Catherine (Northern VA)'s avatar

We’re just grateful that our military helicopter pilot is stationed stateside and not currently deployed in the Middle East. The family members of those that are deployed must be frantic. And knowing our military and country are being run by a Clown and his Clown Cabinet? Every day there’s another reason this administration makes us less safe.

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Chris Hierholzer's avatar

Copy that Maureen. Copy that.

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Bonnie MacEvoy's avatar

Where is Congress? Oh wait, they're in Trump's pocket.

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Sharon's avatar

Yes, these congressmen that spoke out will still vote for everything Trump demands and do nothing about a serious breach. This is all they should be talking about on the floor and they should take action against everynone of them.

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Ally House (Oregon)'s avatar

Any of us peons would be courtmartialed.

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Hiro's avatar

Hi Maureen, as we begin to realize the true shape of Trump administration, we must first realize that we, the voters, have elected them. We are responsible. Second, voteres were lied about what they would do. So, what can we do to remove them. Waiting another four years is not an answer because by then we lose the country. This is the question we must discuss in this column. Professor is giving us the data, but we must respond.

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Andy Smith's avatar

Once the cakes are burned, you cannot unburn them - but you can try not to burn the next batch!

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Sharon's avatar

But, like Schiff said, how many times have they done this and will they stop?

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Gjay15's avatar

Your son would never have done this

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william richter's avatar

Ah, but he'd have more sense. Those who lack that need protection from the consequences of their arrogant stupidity.

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Burke's avatar

Let's also remember that the president has officially allied the United States with Russia and North Korea. And has made the United States the adversary of our friends, Canada, Denmark, England, the entire European Union and NATO.

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Burke's avatar

To paraphrase Fran Lebowitz, none of us know anyone as stupid and dishonorable as these men.

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