The laws you are suggesting they are breaking are federal laws and wpuld require arrest by the FBI or some other federal agency. The DC police arrest period for me "mundane" things like gas station robberies, etc. They do not enforce the federal laws except when they provide protection as they did on Jan6 2021 at the Capitol. However eve…
The laws you are suggesting they are breaking are federal laws and wpuld require arrest by the FBI or some other federal agency. The DC police arrest period for me "mundane" things like gas station robberies, etc. They do not enforce the federal laws except when they provide protection as they did on Jan6 2021 at the Capitol. However even they are representatives of the federal government and can be ordered by the President.
I am assuming you understand that no one in the federal government is going to arrest anyone else in the federal government for ostensible crimes against the federal government that Trump (or Musk) has authorized.
They are all wearing the same hats and working for the same team. And the team's "owner" has already decided that they aren't breaking any laws so there will be no arrests or prosecutions.
Thank you, Jon. That's the most cogent explanation I have had for why no arrests. Just as a thought exercise, what happens if a federal judge finds someone in criminal contempt withing the district and orders them jailed? Who would act on the order? I presume your answer is no one.
Actually it is possible (although not guaranteed) that the US Marshals office might actually act on behalf of the federal courts to arrest a fed appointee on behalf of the courts of so ordered.
They are the nominal representatives of the judiciary and most of them take that role pretty seriously. Some might ignore a judge's order if told to do so by their superiors but I expect there are some who would refuse to defy a judge's order because their training puts the judges above their superiors.
But it's uncharted territory. And what will happen like so much of what is happening today is extremely unpredictable.
I expect that is what Trump and Musk are relying on as they work their black magic to destroy the government. No one quite knows what to do because we've never seen anything like this before, at least not since the Civil War.
That's why I council readiness but NOT direct action... yet. It is quite possible that there will come a point where that will be the only (or best) option, but I think right now that point is still in the future.
It probably sounds to many like a Neville Chamberlain moment but things are very different today compared to pre WW II. The main difference is Chamberlain was dealing with an external menace and had the support of most of the countries around the world and yet he still chose to play the dupe with Hitler.
Today, our enemy is truly within and our normal allies are abandoning us in droves. We are in a much more dangerous time than pre WW II.
Thanks John. Maybe there’s something about the way popular histories are written that leave out the greater part of the turmoil, misery, uncertainty and personal cost that comes with revolutions. Even within society itself, the tendency to forget anguish and pain or at least think of it as a bad dream is most common.
History pretty clearly shows these victories are pyrrhic. All anyone wants to hear is about the victories and glories. Like an iceberg, that’s the pretty tip, a signal flag of danger. Some revolutions go on for generations. In most, a “bad guy” wins, and often that faction arose seemingly from nowhere … like a highjacking.
Bottomline, the history of arrests of people in high office anywhere is a rather thin one. It’s a very difficult and fraught road to go down.
The laws you are suggesting they are breaking are federal laws and wpuld require arrest by the FBI or some other federal agency. The DC police arrest period for me "mundane" things like gas station robberies, etc. They do not enforce the federal laws except when they provide protection as they did on Jan6 2021 at the Capitol. However even they are representatives of the federal government and can be ordered by the President.
I am assuming you understand that no one in the federal government is going to arrest anyone else in the federal government for ostensible crimes against the federal government that Trump (or Musk) has authorized.
They are all wearing the same hats and working for the same team. And the team's "owner" has already decided that they aren't breaking any laws so there will be no arrests or prosecutions.
Thank you, Jon. That's the most cogent explanation I have had for why no arrests. Just as a thought exercise, what happens if a federal judge finds someone in criminal contempt withing the district and orders them jailed? Who would act on the order? I presume your answer is no one.
Actually it is possible (although not guaranteed) that the US Marshals office might actually act on behalf of the federal courts to arrest a fed appointee on behalf of the courts of so ordered.
They are the nominal representatives of the judiciary and most of them take that role pretty seriously. Some might ignore a judge's order if told to do so by their superiors but I expect there are some who would refuse to defy a judge's order because their training puts the judges above their superiors.
But it's uncharted territory. And what will happen like so much of what is happening today is extremely unpredictable.
I expect that is what Trump and Musk are relying on as they work their black magic to destroy the government. No one quite knows what to do because we've never seen anything like this before, at least not since the Civil War.
That's why I council readiness but NOT direct action... yet. It is quite possible that there will come a point where that will be the only (or best) option, but I think right now that point is still in the future.
It probably sounds to many like a Neville Chamberlain moment but things are very different today compared to pre WW II. The main difference is Chamberlain was dealing with an external menace and had the support of most of the countries around the world and yet he still chose to play the dupe with Hitler.
Today, our enemy is truly within and our normal allies are abandoning us in droves. We are in a much more dangerous time than pre WW II.
And that is truly scary.
Thanks John. Maybe there’s something about the way popular histories are written that leave out the greater part of the turmoil, misery, uncertainty and personal cost that comes with revolutions. Even within society itself, the tendency to forget anguish and pain or at least think of it as a bad dream is most common.
History pretty clearly shows these victories are pyrrhic. All anyone wants to hear is about the victories and glories. Like an iceberg, that’s the pretty tip, a signal flag of danger. Some revolutions go on for generations. In most, a “bad guy” wins, and often that faction arose seemingly from nowhere … like a highjacking.
Bottomline, the history of arrests of people in high office anywhere is a rather thin one. It’s a very difficult and fraught road to go down.