A friend who is a former southern state assistant AG wrote this yesterday on his FB feed. “The murder suspect's Southern Baptist church belongs to Founders Ministries, which claims that “white fragility is pro-racism,” refers to critical race theory as “godless and materialistic ideologies,” and equates women preaching with abuse. White…
A friend who is a former southern state assistant AG wrote this yesterday on his FB feed. “The murder suspect's Southern Baptist church belongs to Founders Ministries, which claims that “white fragility is pro-racism,” refers to critical race theory as “godless and materialistic ideologies,” and equates women preaching with abuse. White supremacy is anti-christ, and white supremacist terrorists are being radicalized in white supremacist organizations masquerading as churches. Don’t be afraid to say it, and don’t be afraid to walk away from the white congregation you attend. It may the most faithful thing you can do.”
The south and rural areas are soaked in white “Christian” nationalism which is successfully capitalizing on white grievance there. In a conference last night with The heads of UCC and Episcopal churches, and some local clergy from Williamstown MA, the take away was just what has been said in these pages: You cannot convince White Christian nationalists to change. Better to spend our time getting HR 1 passed and electing people who are for democracy and the common good rather than those who are seeking to establish a “Christian” dominion in the US (which is anything but Christian). If you are new to this subject check out Tom Edsell’s column https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/opinion/christian-nationalists-capitol-attack.html
Yay. I'm so happy to read someone who is looking at the solution. 'You cannot change white christian nationalists' Yes Yes! We can only vote them out of power and then bring in systematic change. We cannot do this in 4 years regardless of who is president and especially not if the midterms loose the senate. This can only become a movement if it is given breath by the For The People Act and we can only pass that by reforming the filibuster. That is the path to a solution!
Repeatedly voicing the problem in its many, many forms is important but connecting it to the solution each and every time is the reason for voicing the problem. Saying we have to clean up racism is true but it isn't a method. The For The People Act is the method to move forward. Crisis is opportunity but lamenting all the layers of the problem can squander that opportunity it by consuming all the energy. Those of us who most value community also love to talk, which is all Ok as long as long as we end the discussion on a focus toward specific action.
I'd like to see someone more knowledgeable about politics than I say something about how to get the For The People Act passed. How is it most effectively pushed into visibility? Writing to my NC senators, again, is relieving one's self up wind.
Here is what I have done: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/. This is my letter. feel free to use any or all of it to write your own letter.
Mr. President I would like to do what ever I can to encourage you to support the For The People Act. I know this is in process but I cannot personally tell you how important I feel the passage of this act is. There are many details to your day as president, I’m sure, but I feel that passage of this act relates to all, ALL, of the details of what is happening in our country from racial violence, to international trade, and to bringing our population towards more involvement in its government.
I am writing because I feel that without your visible leadership on this issue no matter what else you may accomplish it will be dust in the wind of a history that is further sustained by minority power in the US. This would simply be a tragedy of enormous proportion. I feel that this requires frequent, clear, visible leadership from the top.
What I understand now is that you are not speaking out visibly and frequently because you feel that this is the proper functioning of our government where you allow the house and the senate to ‘do their jobs’ and also because you feel that it would bring you into a position of having to decide for or against the filibuster in its current form and you “believe in unlimited debate” in the senate. I submit to you that we, the People, were just barely able to deliver you to the White House with an even split in the senate. We, the people, need your leadership in bringing the For The People Act through the senate. The filibuster in its current form doesn’t, from my perspective, encourage debate at least not the public, visible debate on the senate floor that I would like. In its current form the filibuster ends debate, empties the chamber and stifles even the process of bringing potential change forward.
I strongly urge you, as I did with my personal vote, to become loud and visible on this issue. We need this as a country and I need it as an individual if I am to maintain faith in our system of government.
Where are you in NC? I’m in New Hanover County. My federal representatives are all Republicans. SIGH!
In place of the word “filibuster,” use the word “sabotage,” as “filibustero” was applied to pirates. The theory of the filibuster was meant to sabotage legislation by the minority. How does that encourage debate? Without the filibuster, would civil rights legislation have been passed sooner? What about anti-lynching legislation? Mitch “scorched earth” McConnell would have made an excellent pirate, given his ruthlessness.
I'm out on Hattaras island town of Waves. I clearly agree on the Filibuster. Interesting to note that it is just a simple rule of the senate, not a law or anything with real authority, just a device. And, why has it survived previous times when the democrats could have gotten rid of it? I have met a few Dems who are afraid of what might happen when/if the Reb's gain majority again.... but truly that is living by fear. Never a good place.
Yes! I will also send a copy of your excellent letter to the WH and a version of it to my senators, who I thought, foolishly, that I didn't have to worry too much about as they are both Dems, but their recent lack of support of the minimum wage part of the Rescue Plan has made me realize I need to keep a closer eye on them. Thank you for this!
"Repeatedly voicing the problem in its many, many forms is important but connecting it to the solution each and every time is the reason for voicing the problem". Yes.
Excellent interview last night (on CNN I think) of an expert on the filibuster who is very optimistic that it WILL be altered, and that the For the People Act will pass. He based it on his years as a congressional aide, saying that what we won't see is the good ol' wheeing and dealing that Dems can do from their leadership position now.
Thank you for this very informative link. So, we do know the names and "churches" of these crazy preachers. I do hope our regulatory agencies are paying attention, as we all know, words matter, especially to crazy cult followers. I was heartened to see the reference about "Christians against Christian Nationalism". Finally, and not a minute too soon. These crazies are like cornered animals, we know they're gonna bite, we should be smart enough to know how to contain their violent tendencies before they do go off.
Boy, did I pick up on that right away. So many "sayings" have their origins in abhorrent beliefs. "Rule of thumb" is one of them. "God willing and the Creek* don't rise" is another. I have read that "picnic" is derived from packing a lunch to watch a lynching/hanging of a Black person.
*Denotes the Creek Nation, not a small body of water that might flood.
"The word comes from the French word pique-nique, whose earliest usage in print is in the 1692 edition of Tony Willis, Origines de la Langue Française, which mentions pique-nique as being of recent origin. The term was used to describe a group of people dining in a restaurant who brought their own wine. "
A friend who is a former southern state assistant AG wrote this yesterday on his FB feed. “The murder suspect's Southern Baptist church belongs to Founders Ministries, which claims that “white fragility is pro-racism,” refers to critical race theory as “godless and materialistic ideologies,” and equates women preaching with abuse. White supremacy is anti-christ, and white supremacist terrorists are being radicalized in white supremacist organizations masquerading as churches. Don’t be afraid to say it, and don’t be afraid to walk away from the white congregation you attend. It may the most faithful thing you can do.”
The south and rural areas are soaked in white “Christian” nationalism which is successfully capitalizing on white grievance there. In a conference last night with The heads of UCC and Episcopal churches, and some local clergy from Williamstown MA, the take away was just what has been said in these pages: You cannot convince White Christian nationalists to change. Better to spend our time getting HR 1 passed and electing people who are for democracy and the common good rather than those who are seeking to establish a “Christian” dominion in the US (which is anything but Christian). If you are new to this subject check out Tom Edsell’s column https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/opinion/christian-nationalists-capitol-attack.html
Yay. I'm so happy to read someone who is looking at the solution. 'You cannot change white christian nationalists' Yes Yes! We can only vote them out of power and then bring in systematic change. We cannot do this in 4 years regardless of who is president and especially not if the midterms loose the senate. This can only become a movement if it is given breath by the For The People Act and we can only pass that by reforming the filibuster. That is the path to a solution!
Repeatedly voicing the problem in its many, many forms is important but connecting it to the solution each and every time is the reason for voicing the problem. Saying we have to clean up racism is true but it isn't a method. The For The People Act is the method to move forward. Crisis is opportunity but lamenting all the layers of the problem can squander that opportunity it by consuming all the energy. Those of us who most value community also love to talk, which is all Ok as long as long as we end the discussion on a focus toward specific action.
I'd like to see someone more knowledgeable about politics than I say something about how to get the For The People Act passed. How is it most effectively pushed into visibility? Writing to my NC senators, again, is relieving one's self up wind.
Here is what I have done: https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/. This is my letter. feel free to use any or all of it to write your own letter.
Mr. President I would like to do what ever I can to encourage you to support the For The People Act. I know this is in process but I cannot personally tell you how important I feel the passage of this act is. There are many details to your day as president, I’m sure, but I feel that passage of this act relates to all, ALL, of the details of what is happening in our country from racial violence, to international trade, and to bringing our population towards more involvement in its government.
I am writing because I feel that without your visible leadership on this issue no matter what else you may accomplish it will be dust in the wind of a history that is further sustained by minority power in the US. This would simply be a tragedy of enormous proportion. I feel that this requires frequent, clear, visible leadership from the top.
What I understand now is that you are not speaking out visibly and frequently because you feel that this is the proper functioning of our government where you allow the house and the senate to ‘do their jobs’ and also because you feel that it would bring you into a position of having to decide for or against the filibuster in its current form and you “believe in unlimited debate” in the senate. I submit to you that we, the People, were just barely able to deliver you to the White House with an even split in the senate. We, the people, need your leadership in bringing the For The People Act through the senate. The filibuster in its current form doesn’t, from my perspective, encourage debate at least not the public, visible debate on the senate floor that I would like. In its current form the filibuster ends debate, empties the chamber and stifles even the process of bringing potential change forward.
I strongly urge you, as I did with my personal vote, to become loud and visible on this issue. We need this as a country and I need it as an individual if I am to maintain faith in our system of government.
Where are you in NC? I’m in New Hanover County. My federal representatives are all Republicans. SIGH!
In place of the word “filibuster,” use the word “sabotage,” as “filibustero” was applied to pirates. The theory of the filibuster was meant to sabotage legislation by the minority. How does that encourage debate? Without the filibuster, would civil rights legislation have been passed sooner? What about anti-lynching legislation? Mitch “scorched earth” McConnell would have made an excellent pirate, given his ruthlessness.
I'm out on Hattaras island town of Waves. I clearly agree on the Filibuster. Interesting to note that it is just a simple rule of the senate, not a law or anything with real authority, just a device. And, why has it survived previous times when the democrats could have gotten rid of it? I have met a few Dems who are afraid of what might happen when/if the Reb's gain majority again.... but truly that is living by fear. Never a good place.
Yes! I will also send a copy of your excellent letter to the WH and a version of it to my senators, who I thought, foolishly, that I didn't have to worry too much about as they are both Dems, but their recent lack of support of the minimum wage part of the Rescue Plan has made me realize I need to keep a closer eye on them. Thank you for this!
"Repeatedly voicing the problem in its many, many forms is important but connecting it to the solution each and every time is the reason for voicing the problem". Yes.
Excellent interview last night (on CNN I think) of an expert on the filibuster who is very optimistic that it WILL be altered, and that the For the People Act will pass. He based it on his years as a congressional aide, saying that what we won't see is the good ol' wheeing and dealing that Dems can do from their leadership position now.
Thank you for this very informative link. So, we do know the names and "churches" of these crazy preachers. I do hope our regulatory agencies are paying attention, as we all know, words matter, especially to crazy cult followers. I was heartened to see the reference about "Christians against Christian Nationalism". Finally, and not a minute too soon. These crazies are like cornered animals, we know they're gonna bite, we should be smart enough to know how to contain their violent tendencies before they do go off.
Looks like the former AG is just calling a spade a spade.
Isn’t it ironic that the verbiage in my previous statement could be read as racist. This ideology of racism is deeply seated in our culture.
Boy, did I pick up on that right away. So many "sayings" have their origins in abhorrent beliefs. "Rule of thumb" is one of them. "God willing and the Creek* don't rise" is another. I have read that "picnic" is derived from packing a lunch to watch a lynching/hanging of a Black person.
*Denotes the Creek Nation, not a small body of water that might flood.
"The word comes from the French word pique-nique, whose earliest usage in print is in the 1692 edition of Tony Willis, Origines de la Langue Française, which mentions pique-nique as being of recent origin. The term was used to describe a group of people dining in a restaurant who brought their own wine. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picnic
Thanks Joan. Information over speculation.
Thanks, Joan. And it seems to have morphed into diners who also bring their own food. LOL
Thank you! I can resume the use of "picnic".
Thanks, Joan. That's a relief.
I did not know that. Lesson learned.