I agree with what you've said. So what is the remedy? We cannot persuade these people with logic and reason; and their hearts seem unreachable through the granite walls of propaganda they have chosen to live behind.
I agree also about the 2000 election. I knew we were in deep trouble even then when Gore conceded. I remember the members o…
I agree with what you've said. So what is the remedy? We cannot persuade these people with logic and reason; and their hearts seem unreachable through the granite walls of propaganda they have chosen to live behind.
I agree also about the 2000 election. I knew we were in deep trouble even then when Gore conceded. I remember the members of the Court sneaking out through the garage and dumping copies of the decision on reporters, who were shocked and confused.
We have been on the road to this crisis for at least 20 years, and now we really are on a knifes edge.
I shudder at what the future will hold if we lose this fight. It is much harder to dislodge an autocratic oligarchy than it is to prevent it from taking hold.
With the drawn out 2000 election, the Republican psychological strategy was to make it seem inevitable that Gore would not win. James Baker and his soothing golden voice were key to that strategy. There wasn’t an equivalent voice saying “What could be wrong with just counting the votes, all of them, again?” SCOTUS told us that would be unfair to poor George W under the 14th Amendment. Never mind all of the Americans who cast a vote.
Today the drumbeat is the inevitability of Democratic losses in the midterms. Puke!
“Today the drumbeat is the inevitability of Democratic losses in the midterms. Puke!”
Yes, puke. Double puke. I don’t believe that bullshit story for even a second. US society is moving like the Borg towards diversity. That’s why the Republicans don’t have a platform anymore, because they can’t publicly trumpet racism, sexism and gay hating. Why? Because our society no longer tolerates that bullshit right out in plain view. It’s a catfight. It’s a vicious dog fight. It’s a fight between a raccoon and a cat. But I think democracy and diversity win in the long run. Reminder: Trump is a one-term president, he lost in 2020, but he also lost the House in 2018, which was a California blue wave election, and he even miraculously inexplicably unfathomably lost the Senate on January 5, 2021. This guy represents a lost cause. It remains to be seen just how much more political power the racists can hang onto in the short term.
There are more of us than of them. We just must get out the vote with numbers so overwhelming they will be incontrovertible. If we don't, our democracy, teetering as it is on the brink of an abyss, falls.
It’s just my uninformed opinion, but I think that actual fact explains Trump and January 6. The US has flipped from majority white to majority diverse, and that transition is provoking the uproar of 4 years of Trump and 1/6. Again, just my uninformed opinion. The Obama presidency is another major sign of that transformation of US society.
And as I understand it, some of this revolt is in response to the election of a Black man for president.
And it is just astounding. Barrack Obama is highly educated, was the president of Harvard Law Review, and white people who haven't accomplished an iota of what President Obama has, think they're better than he is - - or object to him, because he has brown skin? Incomprehensible.
Diana, you nailed it. Trump for President is the backlash, the reaction, to the Obama presidency. Anybody who tries to confuse the issue by intellectualizing it is doing all of us a disservice. Having an African-American U.S. president activated the country, specifically the very large racist and sexist block, to bring Trump to power, and the unwillingness to say goodbye to that leader who supports the deplorables is Jan. 6.
Yes. Terrified, as a block, that their power and influence is being stripped away. The myth of the Great Replacement theory is real to them. I actually find it difficult to empathize, because I do not identify with race and gender, although of course that enculturation is with me, and always will be. So I have to relate to them in an abstract way: if being white were fundamental to my identity as a person, I suppose I too would be angry and scared that non-whites and women were usurping my base of cultural power as a white man. And that, as you know, is the foundation of the insurrection of January 6.
Actually, the foundation of the insurrection is Trump, himself. All he cares about is enriching himself as he did while president, the emoluments clause be damned. The insurrectionists were just tools he used to try to stay in power.
But as Daniel Goldman said on MSNBC tonight after the hearing, what Trump should be seeing now are handcuffs.
I knew we were in deep trouble when the Supreme Court stopped the count, and decided that Bush would be president.
And imagine how different the world might be today if Gore had been president instead of Bush. There would not have been an Iraq war and all its sequelae. Perhaps the Middle East would enjoy stability now, instead of wars? (Except Russia's invasion of Afghanistan probably brought about the rise of the Taliban.)
Gore's adherence to climate science may have saved us from the climate problems that we're dealing with now. We might be living in a completely different, and safer, world.
Really lovely observation, Cheryl. The remedy for feeling inferior is not easy. For it is likely a feeling of inferiority that would have a person resort to their white race, male gender, or mainstream gender identity as a heterosexual in order to find comfort. True security in oneself requires that a person graduate beyond that superficial identification.
I agree with what you've said. So what is the remedy? We cannot persuade these people with logic and reason; and their hearts seem unreachable through the granite walls of propaganda they have chosen to live behind.
I agree also about the 2000 election. I knew we were in deep trouble even then when Gore conceded. I remember the members of the Court sneaking out through the garage and dumping copies of the decision on reporters, who were shocked and confused.
We have been on the road to this crisis for at least 20 years, and now we really are on a knifes edge.
I shudder at what the future will hold if we lose this fight. It is much harder to dislodge an autocratic oligarchy than it is to prevent it from taking hold.
With the drawn out 2000 election, the Republican psychological strategy was to make it seem inevitable that Gore would not win. James Baker and his soothing golden voice were key to that strategy. There wasn’t an equivalent voice saying “What could be wrong with just counting the votes, all of them, again?” SCOTUS told us that would be unfair to poor George W under the 14th Amendment. Never mind all of the Americans who cast a vote.
Today the drumbeat is the inevitability of Democratic losses in the midterms. Puke!
“Today the drumbeat is the inevitability of Democratic losses in the midterms. Puke!”
Yes, puke. Double puke. I don’t believe that bullshit story for even a second. US society is moving like the Borg towards diversity. That’s why the Republicans don’t have a platform anymore, because they can’t publicly trumpet racism, sexism and gay hating. Why? Because our society no longer tolerates that bullshit right out in plain view. It’s a catfight. It’s a vicious dog fight. It’s a fight between a raccoon and a cat. But I think democracy and diversity win in the long run. Reminder: Trump is a one-term president, he lost in 2020, but he also lost the House in 2018, which was a California blue wave election, and he even miraculously inexplicably unfathomably lost the Senate on January 5, 2021. This guy represents a lost cause. It remains to be seen just how much more political power the racists can hang onto in the short term.
There are more of us than of them. We just must get out the vote with numbers so overwhelming they will be incontrovertible. If we don't, our democracy, teetering as it is on the brink of an abyss, falls.
It’s just my uninformed opinion, but I think that actual fact explains Trump and January 6. The US has flipped from majority white to majority diverse, and that transition is provoking the uproar of 4 years of Trump and 1/6. Again, just my uninformed opinion. The Obama presidency is another major sign of that transformation of US society.
And as I understand it, some of this revolt is in response to the election of a Black man for president.
And it is just astounding. Barrack Obama is highly educated, was the president of Harvard Law Review, and white people who haven't accomplished an iota of what President Obama has, think they're better than he is - - or object to him, because he has brown skin? Incomprehensible.
Yes, incomprehensible. But true.
Diana, you nailed it. Trump for President is the backlash, the reaction, to the Obama presidency. Anybody who tries to confuse the issue by intellectualizing it is doing all of us a disservice. Having an African-American U.S. president activated the country, specifically the very large racist and sexist block, to bring Trump to power, and the unwillingness to say goodbye to that leader who supports the deplorables is Jan. 6.
Yes, they see the demographic changes that are coming, and they are scared and/or angry.
Yes. Terrified, as a block, that their power and influence is being stripped away. The myth of the Great Replacement theory is real to them. I actually find it difficult to empathize, because I do not identify with race and gender, although of course that enculturation is with me, and always will be. So I have to relate to them in an abstract way: if being white were fundamental to my identity as a person, I suppose I too would be angry and scared that non-whites and women were usurping my base of cultural power as a white man. And that, as you know, is the foundation of the insurrection of January 6.
Actually, the foundation of the insurrection is Trump, himself. All he cares about is enriching himself as he did while president, the emoluments clause be damned. The insurrectionists were just tools he used to try to stay in power.
But as Daniel Goldman said on MSNBC tonight after the hearing, what Trump should be seeing now are handcuffs.
And hope that our vote counts, even with gerrymandering.
40 years by my recollection, but I’m old
I knew we were in deep trouble when the Supreme Court stopped the count, and decided that Bush would be president.
And imagine how different the world might be today if Gore had been president instead of Bush. There would not have been an Iraq war and all its sequelae. Perhaps the Middle East would enjoy stability now, instead of wars? (Except Russia's invasion of Afghanistan probably brought about the rise of the Taliban.)
Gore's adherence to climate science may have saved us from the climate problems that we're dealing with now. We might be living in a completely different, and safer, world.
Really lovely observation, Cheryl. The remedy for feeling inferior is not easy. For it is likely a feeling of inferiority that would have a person resort to their white race, male gender, or mainstream gender identity as a heterosexual in order to find comfort. True security in oneself requires that a person graduate beyond that superficial identification.