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Roland (CA->WA)'s avatar

The evidence is overwhelming that Donald Trump wanted to remain president at any cost. Because he was president, he managed to influence a tremendous number of people to join him in this criminal effort.

The intellectual dissection of the effort to keep a Republican in charge, even after he lost the 2020 election, misses the point, imo, if you don’t consider the social forces at work.

We live in a divided country. Using the 2020 election as a benchmark, just over half of US society (Biden voters and the non-voters on his side) wants a society of equality and diversity. Just under half (Trump voters and the non-voters leaning his way) want US society to favor whites, males, heterosexuals, Christians, and rich people.

And notice, again, how Donald Trump was the backlash to having Barack and Michelle Obama in the White House.

The nuanced debate here and in the opinion corridors and forums we frequent have little to do with what most people in America are exposed to. Most people who are like Jack del Rio are watching Fox News, a propaganda voice for the whites-first males-first straights-first society. Most people who voted for Biden are taking in what we call “progressive” voices and arguments, if they follow news at all.

It’s not an intellectual debate for a lot of people. Rational and logical arguments are irrelevant. It’s more subconscious and visceral than that. People lean towards the society of the future, or they lean towards the society of the past, and they make their voting decisions and their social decisions accordingly.

I know I have been beating the same drum over the years, but remember that right here is where I learned how it works. I believe that most people don’t have rational conversations about the policy of society. It’s a schism, a dichotomy, in our country - and beyond. Either you feel fundamentally that whites should have superior rights over non-whites, and that males should have superior rights over females, and that Christians and rich people and heterosexuals should come ahead of non-Christians and LGBTQ+, or you feel that all people in society should have fair and equal treatment. That is the blue / red split. That is the foundation of most of what we call politics, the policy of society. The people who lean Fox and Trump gravitate to that group not because they have brilliant rational arguments, but because they feel fundamentally that whites and men and straights come first in society.

And they don’t give a shit what you and I think. They are belligerent, and ruthless. Think 2000 election, which the red side took by force when Gore and the softies conceded. Think Trump and the Jan. 6 Conspiracy to steal the presidential election of the United States. Think Leonard Leo and the project to turn the Supreme Court into a tool of the red side, with Moscow Mitch McConnell as principal accomplice. Think the links with Putin and Orban. Think every attack on Kamala Harris, and AOC, and Obama and his healthcare legacy, and all the other non-white and non-male people of power out there.

Forget logic, forget rational debate. People choose one side or the other. They gravitate to the side where they feel more welcome and more at home. And the reason that the red side has so many more dummies and people who are not that bright, it’s because they haven’t thought about it. They are acting on impulse, not on logic. That’s how Nazi Germany turned out the way it did, that’s why Putin‘s criminal state is attacking the Ukraine, that explains nearly all of Trump’s behavior as president and the Republicans behavior in Congress. If you feel that your side is superior, that your race and your gender and your gender identity are superior, you will feel an existential threat from anyone who doesn’t feel as you do, be it BLM or women’s rights to abortion or Biden or democracy or what-have-you.

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Carol O's avatar

Hey friends, just look at the face of Jared Kushner in today's papers…first time he’s been photographed w an expression of disturbance on his usually totally bland face. He & Ivanka packed up and left immediately after the election to distance themselves from Trump’s craziness…

There’s some other folks who had been key White House insiders who packed immediately as well. The minute Trump called Rudi Juliani into the Oval Office.

We’ve got a big job ahead to engage our neighbors & in some cases our family members to look at the reality…

Democracy is about attempting to talk w each other without a harassing or aggressive or snide tone of voice. It’s about conversing, which requires listening and finding common ground to build open communication and trust.

We can do this! I’m working in it w neighbors and friends. I hope you are too!

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