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Frank Loomer's avatar

I think it was more than that, Biden was psychologically unprepared for Trump's tsunami of lies and hooks, but there is tried and true strategy for taking this kind of thing on. It is something which can be learned. I don't think the 2nd debate will be a repeat of what we saw the other night.

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JohnM upstateNY's avatar

Frank, I don't think there IS much point to a second "debate"! Why give tRump the space, time & attention to spew his fantasies and wishes? He may be a great actor but a great leader he ain't so don't give him the space.

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JohnM upstateNY's avatar

How can one "debate" things with someone who makes things up as he goes along?

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Frank Loomer's avatar

Fight fire with fire, John, just Biden doesn't need lies. He needs to keep the passion lit that we saw in State of the Union and yesterday's NC rally etc.

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Doug G's avatar

Biden should shun debates and announce he's going on a Truth Tour instead (and send out the rest of his troops as well.)

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Frank Loomer's avatar

There are techniques for handling fire hydrant rhetoric. an upbeat message with main points, don't get drawn into obvious falsehoods and barbs. There are risks either way. Biden will be perceived as backing down, a real negative. Biden with help can learn an effective approach. It's kinda like imagining your team rooting for you, Trump did exactly that, as if he were preaching to his base. Biden needs to learn more emotional management against Trump. I think he can do it.

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Doug G's avatar

I think he can as well. But don't give CF45 more oxygen, as the blimp is overinflated as it is.

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NehalemValleyGirl's avatar

What I donтАЩt understand is why Biden wasnтАЩt more prepared for this after days of mock debates with a Trump impersonator. The real thing is just too overwhelming apparently.

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Frank Loomer's avatar

I saw his preparator on a tv interview, before the debate. I think he missed a vital part of the boat. The firehose part.

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A Y 27517's avatar

Great actor?? Carnival Barker! IF there is a second debate, Biden should NOT NOT NOT let CNN "host" it. They have been a bane on the USA for over a decade.

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sharon tobin's avatar

There is a second debate scheduled for Sep 10, with David Muir as moderator, on ABC.

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Wallis Raemer's avatar

Biden should not do another debate with TтАж fireside chats is what he should do based on questions from the electorate!

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Jim Young Freeport, ME's avatar

Perhaps a PRATT (Points Refuted A Thousand Times) collection should be made into a master "Lie List" with the best refutations cited for each lie. and organized into initial dates told, number of times told in total, in each speech, and how often disconnected from the question asked.

My dream would be to see a collection of video clips organized into most often repeated lies, and a separate collection of time he told the verifiable truth (if any, and if it was actually in response to the question asked).

Is there a video editor out there who can make such a collection of even just what Trump said in the "debate" and actually relevant to the question asked?

A lot of time could be saved by just showing the moderators asking questions and only showing the portions of Trump's responses that had anything at all to do with the question asked.

Then show the questions asked, and Trump's answers that haven't been refuted a thousand times (if there are any).

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Barbara Keating's avatar

Jim, TFFFG reminds me of a Chatty Cathy doll, you know the kind you pull a string on its back and recorded тАЬtalkтАЭ is heard. HeтАЩs like thatтАж.all his talk is just repeated (ad nauseam) lies, exaggerations and flights of fancy self aggrandizement.

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James Burnham's avatar

Yes! And if there is a second debate, Biden should refer the audience to the White House website for a post-debate fact check of Trump's lies and then just talk to the American people directly, just like a fireside chat.

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Barbara Keating's avatar

John, donтАЩt know about the тАЬgreat actorтАЭ moniker, a one-hit-wonder-huckster maybe. And heтАЩs not acting itтАЩs тАФ>just who he is<тАФ.

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Doug G's avatar

JohnM: yes, exactly. I've been saying the same thing.

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Doug G's avatar

Frank, it wasn't a debate, and the next one won't be either. NO MORE DEBATES. We know these two men and who/what they stand for. I doubt many minds were changed Thursday, given the performance of the president and the convicted felon.

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Frank Loomer's avatar

There were a lot of valued suggestions in this thread. All I'm saying, if Trump can do it, there are effective debate counters. Of course it isn't a real debate. NONE of them are. Better not to walk away from this, esp considering the Biden team initiated this one.

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Jeanette Rawls's avatar

Remember the Gish Gallop debate technique Heather mentioned in her news summary on the 27th Plus his medical condition of stuttering...Combining these two things is a Very Good explanation of what happened at the debate..plus physically perhaps he had a cold with his voice being hoarse...

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Frank Loomer's avatar

Ill stick to there are learnable counterpoints for the GG Trump style. Biden's increased stutter and losing his train of thought indicates he wasn't psychologically or properly prepared for this.

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Barbara Keating's avatar

Or, Frank, based on whatтАЩs been reported about prep, maybe OVER preparedтАж.coming to do a PhD dissertation opposite a toddler who has had too much sugar.

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Frank Loomer's avatar

lol Barbara. I think his prep missed how to handle firehose bite and bait incessant lying. There are techniques I'm sure, trick is Biden temperamentally able to learn not how to be emotionally hijacked, then lose it with endless defences, pointless striking back. I'm hardly trained, but i know seasoned debaters can dish back what was given, without lies!

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Barbara Keating's avatar

Frank, reading some of the huge number of comments on how Biden should/should not have responded, I kept seeing in my mindтАЩs eye Biden putting his hand to his forehead making an тАЬLтАЭ signтАж.interchangeable for тАЬLoserтАЭ or тАЬLiarтАЭ. Think that would have gotten TFFFGтАЩs goat! Just a thought!ЁЯШЖ

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Barbara (NJ)'s avatar

He did say something at the end (don't recall what) which got his goat--you could tell by that stupid smirk

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Frank Loomer's avatar

lol i was interested in how many "real voters" said Trump was an out and out liar, Biden didn't do well in this debate, but he was their man.

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Barbara Keating's avatar

Frank, I am disappointed that so many folks seem to have abandoned Biden after his debate prat fallтАж.WTF? Turning their backs on the best thing to happen to the office of POTUS in decades is IMHO cowardlyтАж.cutting and running instead of rallying and supporting him AND giving the TFFFGтАФa faux-gold plated legendary liar of liars carny barkerтАФa veritable pass. Way to go teamтАж..NOT!

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Frank Loomer's avatar

Take a look at Friday night's Lawrence on msnbc, he does a stand up job of backing up Biden and he saw what all the "naysayers" are going on about. I posted an internet link in an earlier posting, but just google him on Youtube. Ad free then ends with a Chinese? colouring page. ignore that. From Jill Biden's remark, it seems Biden really was fighting a nasty infection. My other remarks about proper prep for Trump style grandstanding remain on board. There is NOTHING normal about Trump.

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James Burnham's avatar

If there is a second 'debate', Biden should refer the audience to the White House website for a post-debate fact check of Trump's lies and then talk to the American people directly, just like a fireside chat. Tell moving stories, even funny stories, and refer to his felon opponent only with sarcastic ridicule. Like FDR.

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Frank Loomer's avatar

yes kinda talk "through Trump" straight to the audience and them only in the main allowing he has to address anchors' questions, but keep Trump oblivious except for needed format rebuttal

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Anne Marie's avatar

Barbara, brilliant!

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Anne O. Green Gables's avatar

He could have taken an OTC cold pill prior. They can be nasty in and of themselves. It is of utmost importance that from here on out we do and say nothing but about the good we know he has done. That debate is irrelevant except for the underground info Tramp was seeping out like Heather was pointing out. Our focus needs to be on saving our country!

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Frank Loomer's avatar

I think Trump's grandstanding is full of excellent material to either just present, or rebuff with real information, real video. Eg "everyone loves Roe v Wade" ... just imagine. In fact, Biden did just some of that in North Carolina the following day in grand style.

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Je's avatar

If Trump is smart, he'll avoid a 2nd debate

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