Thanks Professor for this important reminder that change happens slowly and with much effort. To turn the course of history a consistent and considerable effort of changing the laws as well as the hearts and minds of the citizens is essential.
Thanks Professor for this important reminder that change happens slowly and with much effort. To turn the course of history a consistent and considerable effort of changing the laws as well as the hearts and minds of the citizens is essential.
Absolutely Agreed, that is why we can not become complacent or give up the good fight. I do find I need time away, time in nature and my nightly HCR to be prepared to reenter the fray
Yes. And the national push back against the backlash is limp, weak and shameful. Our politicians and preachers should be throwing rotten vegetables at the bigots they serve with.
Where is the shaming and outrage? The racial gerrymandering, the voter restrictions, the treatment by police are all things that should have been part of our distant past.
Yes, it's painful. And I am disappointed and angry that this discussion has to be had after so many years.
But I guess we should be realistic. Why would a nation where one of its largest religions doesn't believe women are equal to men...why would that nation consider all races equal?
Large segments of our country still believe in 19th century values.
...read Lincoln's Second Inaugural address again, he includes the fact that both sides pray to the same God and read the same Bible...in the end, he called for unity and reconciliation.
A tragedy he was not able to complete his vision due to a bullet by a Confederate sympathizer who believed he would be lauded for killing the President. Instead, the Good Friday shooting followed by the announcements of his death on Easter Sunday created the Christ-like martyrdom of the first assassinated Commander-in-Chief.
I am a big fan of Lincolns presidency. Slow to free the slaves. But still, a towering figure in our history.
As to both sides praying to a God and reading a book of questionable veracity, I suggest that his statement is pure of heart. But how many Bible thumpers really follow the words of Jesus?
Religiosity and its often twisted interpretations are one of the many reasons we are divided. Funny how a faith originally based on love and charity has become one of selfishness, hate and violence.
The hearts and minds are a huge problem. " “It looked like everything worth living for was gone,” Texas cattleman Charles Goodnight later recalled. " And just what was worth living for, that had gone?
Have you - any of you - read "Beyond Power"? Big fat book, full of historical clarity, which has sat battered on my various bookshelves since the seventies. Here's a quote from a reader of the NYT in 1985:
To the Editor:
I wonder if Lawrence Stone and I read the same book. Marilyn French's ''Beyond Power'' is certainly, as he writes, ''a passionate polemic about the way men have treated women over the past several millenniums.'' But that is an extended illustration of its central thesis, not the thesis itself. Centrally, it examines a larger criminality - the unrelenting, millennial pursuit of power, ''masculine'' in character, that has led us to the brink of annihilation. Power is Mrs. French's focus, as her book's title implies; Mr. Stone manages to blur that focus away. In the process he gives us such recherche oddities as ''the noble savage in feminist drag'' -what on earth is feminist drag?"
(Further comment, from me: if "Mr Stone" thought "millenniums" was the correct plural, he has no business casting the first stone :) ) (Whoops, no pun intended - it just slipped out).
(Ha!) No, not dispiriting! I made a quick dive into Goodreads - here are four comments:
"Beyond Power" changed my life
A "must read" for anyone interested in our communal journey as women.
Every page is jam-packed with information and provocative thought. This is a book to read slowly, correlating its offerings with everyday life during the process. It is life-changing.
Best book on feminism I have ever read--changed my life! All MEN should read this book!
Juneteenth wasn't the end, just as July 4 wasn't the beginning. "How we remember our history matters," and the ongoing academic falsification of the meaning of the Declaration of Independence is like a KKK cross tattooed on our minds.
There were still slaves after Juneteenth, in Kentucky and Delaware.
The Declaration of Independence was Part 2, following the original anti-Lockean independence resolution of May 15 (written by John Adams), which instructed the "total suppression" of royal government:
Thanks Professor for this important reminder that change happens slowly and with much effort. To turn the course of history a consistent and considerable effort of changing the laws as well as the hearts and minds of the citizens is essential.
What’s discouraging is the backlash. It seems like it’s two steps forward with one back, but, my gosh, that step back right now is so painful.
Absolutely Agreed, that is why we can not become complacent or give up the good fight. I do find I need time away, time in nature and my nightly HCR to be prepared to reenter the fray
Yes. And the national push back against the backlash is limp, weak and shameful. Our politicians and preachers should be throwing rotten vegetables at the bigots they serve with.
Where is the shaming and outrage? The racial gerrymandering, the voter restrictions, the treatment by police are all things that should have been part of our distant past.
Yes, it's painful. And I am disappointed and angry that this discussion has to be had after so many years.
But I guess we should be realistic. Why would a nation where one of its largest religions doesn't believe women are equal to men...why would that nation consider all races equal?
Large segments of our country still believe in 19th century values.
Brain-washed cult nuts.
...read Lincoln's Second Inaugural address again, he includes the fact that both sides pray to the same God and read the same Bible...in the end, he called for unity and reconciliation.
A tragedy he was not able to complete his vision due to a bullet by a Confederate sympathizer who believed he would be lauded for killing the President. Instead, the Good Friday shooting followed by the announcements of his death on Easter Sunday created the Christ-like martyrdom of the first assassinated Commander-in-Chief.
I am a big fan of Lincolns presidency. Slow to free the slaves. But still, a towering figure in our history.
As to both sides praying to a God and reading a book of questionable veracity, I suggest that his statement is pure of heart. But how many Bible thumpers really follow the words of Jesus?
Religiosity and its often twisted interpretations are one of the many reasons we are divided. Funny how a faith originally based on love and charity has become one of selfishness, hate and violence.
The hearts and minds are a huge problem. " “It looked like everything worth living for was gone,” Texas cattleman Charles Goodnight later recalled. " And just what was worth living for, that had gone?
The sense of lordship.
I do love all us women on this thread
It’s women and people of color who will bring about change in attitudes. White men are slow and so used to power that they have trouble “joining in.”
Have you - any of you - read "Beyond Power"? Big fat book, full of historical clarity, which has sat battered on my various bookshelves since the seventies. Here's a quote from a reader of the NYT in 1985:
To the Editor:
I wonder if Lawrence Stone and I read the same book. Marilyn French's ''Beyond Power'' is certainly, as he writes, ''a passionate polemic about the way men have treated women over the past several millenniums.'' But that is an extended illustration of its central thesis, not the thesis itself. Centrally, it examines a larger criminality - the unrelenting, millennial pursuit of power, ''masculine'' in character, that has led us to the brink of annihilation. Power is Mrs. French's focus, as her book's title implies; Mr. Stone manages to blur that focus away. In the process he gives us such recherche oddities as ''the noble savage in feminist drag'' -what on earth is feminist drag?"
(Further comment, from me: if "Mr Stone" thought "millenniums" was the correct plural, he has no business casting the first stone :) ) (Whoops, no pun intended - it just slipped out).
I have never heard of it. It’s sounds terribly dispiriting.
And I agree with you on plurals. It’s almost as bad as to, too and two.
(Ha!) No, not dispiriting! I made a quick dive into Goodreads - here are four comments:
"Beyond Power" changed my life
A "must read" for anyone interested in our communal journey as women.
Every page is jam-packed with information and provocative thought. This is a book to read slowly, correlating its offerings with everyday life during the process. It is life-changing.
Best book on feminism I have ever read--changed my life! All MEN should read this book!
And how can you possibly make a living when you have to pay people to work?
Very nicely put.
Juneteenth wasn't the end, just as July 4 wasn't the beginning. "How we remember our history matters," and the ongoing academic falsification of the meaning of the Declaration of Independence is like a KKK cross tattooed on our minds.
There were still slaves after Juneteenth, in Kentucky and Delaware.
The Declaration of Independence was Part 2, following the original anti-Lockean independence resolution of May 15 (written by John Adams), which instructed the "total suppression" of royal government:
https://startingpointsjournal.com/the-may-resolution-and-the-declaration-of-independence/
More on the anti-Lockean meaning of the Declaration of Independence is summarized on this Twitter thread:
https://twitter.com/john_schmeeckle/status/1497951393067450375?s=20