As Frank Figliuzzi pointed out on Brian Williams' show, the DOJ lawyers who did this may have been acting completely out of the scope of their jobs, as defined in previous policy, making themselves personally liable for this crime.
At a minimum Barr needs to be dragged out of whatever safe house he's now ensconced in and hauled up before …
As Frank Figliuzzi pointed out on Brian Williams' show, the DOJ lawyers who did this may have been acting completely out of the scope of their jobs, as defined in previous policy, making themselves personally liable for this crime.
At a minimum Barr needs to be dragged out of whatever safe house he's now ensconced in and hauled up before Congress to explain this. He obviously lied in his testimony when Kamala Harris was questioning him.
It’s time for a robust letter writing campaign demanding all parties in the Trump Organization involved in corrupting the Justice Dept., surveilling members of Congress and involved in the insurrection be brought to justice.
Letters will go to Biden, Schiff, Schumer, Merritt Garland & my congressman Christ. Then I’ll email a sample letter with email address for the above to my friends. It’s a plug and play approach that’s been successful before.
This will be a temporary diversion for me from focusing on S-1 and Florida elections. But, this can’t wait. Until we make noise nothing will happen.
Maddow mentioned a 6 part Boston Glove piece called Restoring Democracy, or something along that line. It’s free and it has some excellent talking points.
Agreed, let’s post our sample letters so we can pick the best parts of each. Then we can each email samples to our own networks and urge them to do the same. It’s a chain letter with a real objective. Some may even choose to post on social networks.
Well, he refused to answer the question--but did not invoke the 5th Amendment in doing so. I think it is interesting that Barr was one of the few Trumpistas not to receive a blanket pardon. One of the handy things about those pardons is that, no longer open to being prosecuted, those who received them can be required to answer questions and cannot invoke the 5th.
He quit before 1/6. I think his last day was December 24. It was very sudden.
Keep in mind that Barr wants to bring on the Rapture. He actually has some end of world or life theory that the majority will die and we’ll have some peaceful world of certain people. Probably rich white men and pretty teenage handmaidens. I never quite understood it.
My bad. It came right after the electoral college results were certified and I was thinking that he drew a line on not wanting to be involved in a violent insurrection that was surely being planned at that point. My brain did not code the memory accurately. LOL. Thank you for the correction!
. . . and this entire discussion takes us right back to another point we should always consider: is Bill Barr one of the corrupted and compromised officials? Did somebody bribe him? Pressure him? Blackmail him? That entire administration was being run by Donald Trump, who was in turn being run by Vladimir Putin. Were Barr and others in “Clean-Up-On-Aisle-45”s administration being compromisedthrough blackmail or bribery?
No blackmail needed--agreed. But I think he leveraged power more than permission, though he got both. To me, he is scarier in our current political context than many other would-be autocrats because he's a trained and highly committed theocrat.
His intelligence was focused in one area. Circumventing the rule of law. It was his area of expertise and his reason for being. He said it over and over
He has ripped the world's strongest (arguably) democracy to shreds. I believe it has been a grave mistake to present him as an idiot. His intelligence may be singularly focused but he is not lacking when it comes to being able to fool millions and to get away with crimes.
Certainly a possibility. One wonders if the NY investigation will bring out enough to spur Congress into an overall investigation of the administration. Some Republicans might join in the interest of demonstrating their own innocence.
Why should we believe Congressional subpeonas will be attended? If they are, they will answer with I don't recall, don't remember and don't know. Maybe they will throw in some lies... Democrats don't have the power in Congress, I just feel outrage is about as far as Democrats will go on this. The DOJ and FBI still have Trump appointments. I feel Criminals who are wealthy and power connected can get away with anything. Having a hard time having hope today.
As Frank Figliuzzi pointed out on Brian Williams' show, the DOJ lawyers who did this may have been acting completely out of the scope of their jobs, as defined in previous policy, making themselves personally liable for this crime.
At a minimum Barr needs to be dragged out of whatever safe house he's now ensconced in and hauled up before Congress to explain this. He obviously lied in his testimony when Kamala Harris was questioning him.
It’s time for a robust letter writing campaign demanding all parties in the Trump Organization involved in corrupting the Justice Dept., surveilling members of Congress and involved in the insurrection be brought to justice.
Letters will go to Biden, Schiff, Schumer, Merritt Garland & my congressman Christ. Then I’ll email a sample letter with email address for the above to my friends. It’s a plug and play approach that’s been successful before.
This will be a temporary diversion for me from focusing on S-1 and Florida elections. But, this can’t wait. Until we make noise nothing will happen.
Maddow mentioned a 6 part Boston Glove piece called Restoring Democracy, or something along that line. It’s free and it has some excellent talking points.
I just happen to have that window open waiting for me to read them. https://apps.bostonglobe.com/opinion/graphics/2021/06/future-proofing-the-presidency/
Bruce also mentioned this today. It’s an amazing editorial board opinion series. Very compelling.
Yes! Im also in. Let’s put together a few small scripts for postcards/letters/emails.
Agreed, let’s post our sample letters so we can pick the best parts of each. Then we can each email samples to our own networks and urge them to do the same. It’s a chain letter with a real objective. Some may even choose to post on social networks.
Letters have to go through extensive security. Use emails and postcards.
Yes, I have heard that pre-stamped postcards that you can get from USPS get through security right away. I have a bunch ordered.
This!
I'm in! Let's do this!
I’m ready!
Well, he refused to answer the question--but did not invoke the 5th Amendment in doing so. I think it is interesting that Barr was one of the few Trumpistas not to receive a blanket pardon. One of the handy things about those pardons is that, no longer open to being prosecuted, those who received them can be required to answer questions and cannot invoke the 5th.
TFG wasn’t exactly happy with him towards the end. Seems like Barr quit the sinking ship after 1/6?
He quit before 1/6. I think his last day was December 24. It was very sudden.
Keep in mind that Barr wants to bring on the Rapture. He actually has some end of world or life theory that the majority will die and we’ll have some peaceful world of certain people. Probably rich white men and pretty teenage handmaidens. I never quite understood it.
My bad. It came right after the electoral college results were certified and I was thinking that he drew a line on not wanting to be involved in a violent insurrection that was surely being planned at that point. My brain did not code the memory accurately. LOL. Thank you for the correction!
My question: Who else knew?
Taking a guess here but I think everyone? But the dems
Did he lie or did he avoid answering?
He didn't tell the truth.
lies of ommission covering up crimes of comission;
Sounds familiar, where have I heard that before?
. . . and this entire discussion takes us right back to another point we should always consider: is Bill Barr one of the corrupted and compromised officials? Did somebody bribe him? Pressure him? Blackmail him? That entire administration was being run by Donald Trump, who was in turn being run by Vladimir Putin. Were Barr and others in “Clean-Up-On-Aisle-45”s administration being compromisedthrough blackmail or bribery?
I don’t believe blackmail was necessary. Barr is a natural autocrat, all he needed was permission.
He believes in unfettered power of the office of the President - Republican, of course.
Exactly I do believe he petitioned for the job and made some promises to get it
here's a copy of it for those who may have missed it. blackmail definitely NOT needed! https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/549-june-2018-barr-memo-to-doj-mue/b4c05e39318dd2d136b3/optimized/full.pdf#page=1
No blackmail needed--agreed. But I think he leveraged power more than permission, though he got both. To me, he is scarier in our current political context than many other would-be autocrats because he's a trained and highly committed theocrat.
Your correct Tom. Believing himself to be God’s warrior makes him terrifying.
Surely a natural talent.
Wow-what a sobering consideration.
I still can’t believe djt was clever enough to be such an ‘effective’ mastermind.
Well, that begs the question….
Who was running Trump? And still is.
Putin and Russian creditors.
Yes, the man behind the curtain…
McConnell is one of the most dangerous men to ever sit in the Senate. He is without conscience.
He’s evil— plain and simple.
His intelligence was focused in one area. Circumventing the rule of law. It was his area of expertise and his reason for being. He said it over and over
That said he could never have done any of it without all the help he got
More like peasant cunning.
I'd add Drump's goal is to circumvent any and all rules.
He's not clever enough. His track record in prior business ventures clearly indicates his idiocy.
He has ripped the world's strongest (arguably) democracy to shreds. I believe it has been a grave mistake to present him as an idiot. His intelligence may be singularly focused but he is not lacking when it comes to being able to fool millions and to get away with crimes.
I think he meant to do that all along.
It continues to be demonstrated that he didn't do it without help - Comrade Vlad. We all know he doesn't have two brain cells to rub together.
He wasn't, and was manipulated into any "strategy" he used. There was a stable full of traitors willing to guide him.
Certainly a possibility. One wonders if the NY investigation will bring out enough to spur Congress into an overall investigation of the administration. Some Republicans might join in the interest of demonstrating their own innocence.
No. He’s a dominionist and wants a piece of the pie!
Don’t leave the Vatican out.
They fired their top banker....again!
LIED
Both.
What difference would it make? He’s so slippery… don’t think we’ll ever catch him.
Why should we believe Congressional subpeonas will be attended? If they are, they will answer with I don't recall, don't remember and don't know. Maybe they will throw in some lies... Democrats don't have the power in Congress, I just feel outrage is about as far as Democrats will go on this. The DOJ and FBI still have Trump appointments. I feel Criminals who are wealthy and power connected can get away with anything. Having a hard time having hope today.
Obviously but isn’t that a talent most attorneys prize.
Indeed.