Ah… but still a Tom. To enlarge the subject, I will take an unpopular stance and suggest that the ending post-colonial British devised the Belfor Declaration of 1917 which set Palestine as an official homeland for European Jews on lands already thriving with Arab Muslims. After decades of ethnic clensing Israel today after innumerable wa…
Ah… but still a Tom. To enlarge the subject, I will take an unpopular stance and suggest that the ending post-colonial British devised the Belfor Declaration of 1917 which set Palestine as an official homeland for European Jews on lands already thriving with Arab Muslims. After decades of ethnic clensing Israel today after innumerable wars, is now facing its largest military event likely bringing in Iran and possibly Turkey who threatened Israel. If they carry out their protectionist threat, this could be the unraveling of NATO. The Belfor Declaration lite the flame. I am not antisemitic. Maybe kinda had to be with half of my family from Jewish culture.
The Balfour (so spelled) Declaration (1917) was crucial, but so was the Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916, in which the British and the French carved up the soon-to-be-extinct Ottoman Empire for themselves, and then of course the Treaty of Versailles.
P.S. Balfour didn't "set Palestine as an official homeland for European Jews." What it actually said was (I know it almost by heart but I'm looking it up anyway) "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." It's worth noting that at when the declaration was issued, "existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" made up about 93% of the population. They included many Christians and Jews as well as Muslims.
Furthermore, the British government did not “devise” the Balfour Declaration. Chaim Weismann was a brilliant organic chemist, the leader of the Zionist movement, a British subject, a key member of Great Briitain’s WWI industry mobilization task force, and…the “inventor” of cordite, smokeless explosives for artillery shells. And Chaim Weismann extracted the Balfour Declaration from the foreign office. Ever thereafter, the government and its successors sought to distance themselves from it, down play its significance, and almost pretend it had never been, in order to avoid its implications. And what could have been the reason for that ? Other than the danger it represented not only to them. but to prospects for war and peace in Europe, as a result of reactions to it in Germany and the elsewhere.
But anyway, I fail to see the connection between this subject and Tom Harkin.
Yeah, I didn't signal my turn. It had everything to do with his being a man of integrity from a first hand perspective and the fact that I forgot to mention that he was a Democrat. My bad.
It didn't serve them real well once the Mandate was in place either. However, the rise of Hitler made a "Jewish home" (which morphed into a "Jewish state") more urgent, especially since Britain, the U.S., and others weren't exactly open to mass immigration by European Jews. P.S. You may be overestimating Weizmann's influence, though it was indeed major. Also in play were the Christian Zionists, who were influential among the upper classes. They saw the return of the Jews to the Holy Land as a step toward the second coming of Jesus.
Netanyahu is a self-serving human being. A more decent human being would be building peace. He is trying to keep from being convicted of crimes he has committed.
He is trying to bring us further into his cruelty and chaos.
I have nothing against Israel or Jewish people anywhere...NOR do I hold hatred for people who have chosen to worship differently than I.
We MUST be serious about not being dragged into yet another conflict. Living peacefully together is a choice....it is hard work....just ask our diplomates....take a look at their exhausted faces...they are the real heroes!!!!
Agree. I though, recognize the natural aggression and desire to survive and proliferate at all costs, inherent in the human condition. Jews are no different than any other groups religious or national entities.
That is a complicated history. To all intents, there has not been a day of peace since the 20s, guerilla warfare by Jewish terror groups, counter terrorism on all sides. Remember that the UN finally decided to provide for Israeli nationhood, of course the territorial limits it tried to impose failed utterly, but also that for nearly 3 decades Israel was under existential threat, they just managed to outgun its Arab/Muslim opponents, aided and abetted by the USA.
Very well said Frank. All we can do today is look at those things objectively controlling prejudice while trying to see into those entities (I hesitate to call those creeps that)with hidden agendas. The Heritage Foundation, the Federalist's, etc. And, of course what has so subtly been stuck into us in this country since the 1930's. If this election goes right, we might just be on the verge of pulling out of that downhill slide. My hope.
A further comment, US is engaged in an almost bulletless civil war, the Jan 6th attack and the electoral certification maneuvers promoted by Trump being the first open breach against normal democratic processes.
Not a point here, but in the immediate lead up to the breakout of hostilities between foundling Israel, both sides had weapons purchasers in Europe buying whatever weapons they could scrounge. Apparently a package of a few hundred rifles purchased out of France (Paris?) made all the different to the Israelis in the initial fighting. So... not exactly just courtesy of ... and that reminds me a few weeks before the outbreak of civil war in Yugoslavia, i met an LA accountant who was just flying back from delivering funds for arms purchases for Croatians. I was taking photos out the plane window. Wore a black leather jacket, i recall. 1990
Ah… but still a Tom. To enlarge the subject, I will take an unpopular stance and suggest that the ending post-colonial British devised the Belfor Declaration of 1917 which set Palestine as an official homeland for European Jews on lands already thriving with Arab Muslims. After decades of ethnic clensing Israel today after innumerable wars, is now facing its largest military event likely bringing in Iran and possibly Turkey who threatened Israel. If they carry out their protectionist threat, this could be the unraveling of NATO. The Belfor Declaration lite the flame. I am not antisemitic. Maybe kinda had to be with half of my family from Jewish culture.
The Balfour (so spelled) Declaration (1917) was crucial, but so was the Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916, in which the British and the French carved up the soon-to-be-extinct Ottoman Empire for themselves, and then of course the Treaty of Versailles.
P.S. Balfour didn't "set Palestine as an official homeland for European Jews." What it actually said was (I know it almost by heart but I'm looking it up anyway) "His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." It's worth noting that at when the declaration was issued, "existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine" made up about 93% of the population. They included many Christians and Jews as well as Muslims.
Thank you for the history lesson.I simplified it but yiu are correct.
Furthermore, the British government did not “devise” the Balfour Declaration. Chaim Weismann was a brilliant organic chemist, the leader of the Zionist movement, a British subject, a key member of Great Briitain’s WWI industry mobilization task force, and…the “inventor” of cordite, smokeless explosives for artillery shells. And Chaim Weismann extracted the Balfour Declaration from the foreign office. Ever thereafter, the government and its successors sought to distance themselves from it, down play its significance, and almost pretend it had never been, in order to avoid its implications. And what could have been the reason for that ? Other than the danger it represented not only to them. but to prospects for war and peace in Europe, as a result of reactions to it in Germany and the elsewhere.
But anyway, I fail to see the connection between this subject and Tom Harkin.
Yeah, I didn't signal my turn. It had everything to do with his being a man of integrity from a first hand perspective and the fact that I forgot to mention that he was a Democrat. My bad.
It didn't serve them real well once the Mandate was in place either. However, the rise of Hitler made a "Jewish home" (which morphed into a "Jewish state") more urgent, especially since Britain, the U.S., and others weren't exactly open to mass immigration by European Jews. P.S. You may be overestimating Weizmann's influence, though it was indeed major. Also in play were the Christian Zionists, who were influential among the upper classes. They saw the return of the Jews to the Holy Land as a step toward the second coming of Jesus.
Let me think about that for a moment — the connection. I think I’ll find one.
Indeed,I simply expanded on current topics.
Not to worry. It’s more important.
Bill Katz,
Netanyahu is a self-serving human being. A more decent human being would be building peace. He is trying to keep from being convicted of crimes he has committed.
He is trying to bring us further into his cruelty and chaos.
I have nothing against Israel or Jewish people anywhere...NOR do I hold hatred for people who have chosen to worship differently than I.
We MUST be serious about not being dragged into yet another conflict. Living peacefully together is a choice....it is hard work....just ask our diplomates....take a look at their exhausted faces...they are the real heroes!!!!
Agree. I though, recognize the natural aggression and desire to survive and proliferate at all costs, inherent in the human condition. Jews are no different than any other groups religious or national entities.
That is a complicated history. To all intents, there has not been a day of peace since the 20s, guerilla warfare by Jewish terror groups, counter terrorism on all sides. Remember that the UN finally decided to provide for Israeli nationhood, of course the territorial limits it tried to impose failed utterly, but also that for nearly 3 decades Israel was under existential threat, they just managed to outgun its Arab/Muslim opponents, aided and abetted by the USA.
Very well said Frank. All we can do today is look at those things objectively controlling prejudice while trying to see into those entities (I hesitate to call those creeps that)with hidden agendas. The Heritage Foundation, the Federalist's, etc. And, of course what has so subtly been stuck into us in this country since the 1930's. If this election goes right, we might just be on the verge of pulling out of that downhill slide. My hope.
A further comment, US is engaged in an almost bulletless civil war, the Jan 6th attack and the electoral certification maneuvers promoted by Trump being the first open breach against normal democratic processes.
Not a point here, but in the immediate lead up to the breakout of hostilities between foundling Israel, both sides had weapons purchasers in Europe buying whatever weapons they could scrounge. Apparently a package of a few hundred rifles purchased out of France (Paris?) made all the different to the Israelis in the initial fighting. So... not exactly just courtesy of ... and that reminds me a few weeks before the outbreak of civil war in Yugoslavia, i met an LA accountant who was just flying back from delivering funds for arms purchases for Croatians. I was taking photos out the plane window. Wore a black leather jacket, i recall. 1990