JL, he just has something against any childless ladies whom he feels have worked against God’s plan. Interestingly, he expresses no similar rancor against men who don’t produce children or fail to support them once they’re born.
His idea that the father (notice that he doesn’t mention the mother) should have voting power proportional to the number of children produced doesn’t address the issue of which children count: all children produced or only those produced in a heterosexual marriage? Also, if your wife leaves due to spousal abuse, do you lose your extra votes? Do you get those extra votes for all children produced (including miscarriages) or only those living at the time of the election?
Oh, wait, if 45 gets his way, the discussion of how many votes a father gets would be moot…
And without much of any personal power or big money backers (besides Thiel, who likely just wanted to own a rightwing radical Senator) pore ol' Vance would be the perfect scapegoat to offer as sacrifice if necessary.
I was thinking yesterday about dumpty staying home in his jammies, as Lawrence O'Donnell suggested. And after Kamala wipes the floor with him, will he crawl away?
Never ever.
The orange Cocksplat and the Couch Stain make such an incredible pair. May they drown together in sinking Florida.
Jen, thank you for giving me a name for JD, miserable misogynist (among other awful things) that he is. He will certainly be the scapegoat and I am going to say when, not if, death star loses.
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We can hope that if DJT loses the 2024 Election, he will accept that decision gracefully... I doubt it... He has already said he won't... He hasn't even accepted 2020's loss... He has already promised a Civil-War is case of a loss... Let's Hope For The Best...
I may be unfair here, but my impression is that narcissistic Trump would betray anyone; even his own family, if he believed it served his personal agenda.
jD Chilcult, that has been my thought for months, this trump cult reminds me of the Jones cult and that did not work out well for them, sadly, sadly, sadly.
Nicely put, J.D.; from Dr Cox Richardson: "but [Vice President Harris's] campaign has taken the approach of referring to [President Trump] and J.D. Vance as weirdos." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgAoGf84-3A This is just the kid of push-back I have been hoping for. Laugh these bozoes off of the bus! Nothing sends macho mouths as quickly into comedic conniptions as laughing at them.
The only problem is that if trump wins (if there is a god, it won't happen) Vance will take over if trump dies in office. There will be no respite. It may even be worse.
Yes, right now in this country embryos have more rights than women do.I also agree with those who are mentioning men’s roles in all of this.Childless men are contributing nothing to society but men are never considered in the children equation ,just women.
Perfect. Zygote is potential life and so is sperm. We need sperm to have the right to vote and there are a lot more of them. Let's register sperm to vote.
a hundred years ago, and less, mothers would check their teenage male beds for any telltale signs of sperm. For a lively lad, that could be close to a billion sperm. Geez. Nutz. I think most of this comes from a traditional austerity Christian outlook, thankfully mostly a past thing. Even Ann Landers was ok on masterbation. Besides, its generally irrepressible.
lol my mother, as far as I know, wasn't a bed checker either. She never got beyond being a baptist "adherent"... not sure why she didnt want to be baptised.
I have a popular medical guide book from the early 20th Century which ascribes multiple conditions of mental and physical ill health to masturbation, and advises supervising a pubescent kid 24 hours a day if necessary. For real.
for the most part, for most men, that was my personal experience. I do know a guy who refused to masterbate, a staunch traditional Catholic, but he also had OCD. Take a poll on how Catholic priests manage....
Marcia, a perfect quote to describe the religious railing about wasting sperm in self satisfaction. The Church has long known the power of sex....just think about those guys sitting on pillars in the desert or in caves in Egypt, thinking about women day and night I bet.
'Every sperm is sacred.' Remember that Monty Python song? It was a satirical statement against the Catholic Church that may well apply here. The video is easily found on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ&t=2s.
Nothing new. Heard it floated years ago at CPAC (CSpan.) Along with a claim that the Second Amendment was intended to protect the unborn.
This year an RNC speaker was antiabortion activist Abby Johnson who has advocated for "a head-of-household voting system that has historically barred women and people of color from casting ballots." Saying "In godly households that would be the husband."
Colorado had fetal personhood on the ballot in 2008, the Obama year. I was exit polling that year, and the crap I saw at the polls was shocking. Grateful almost all ballots by mail or drop box in Colorado now. I think the entire morning vote at the polling place I watched was lost due to a hard drive crash and internet issue that kept the location from downloading the vote.
In TX, if you rape a woman and impregnate them, there is about a 2% chance of being charged and convicted of rape.
When my daughter was born they registered her for a SS#, and took her footprint. This was in 1994. Why not take everyone's DNA at birth, or maybe some states are already doing that?
"Spilling one's seed is verboten in their almighty old testament."
Not so.
1. The Torah does not have any negative commandment concerning 'spilling one's seed.' The misconception comes from a misreading of the story of Onan. Whose sin was refusing to fulfill the social obligation of levirate marriage.*
2. The 'Old Testament' is certainly not almighty among the Evangelicals and Catholics who are bent on imposing their religious creed on civil society. Otherwise instead of targeting health care providers they'd target purveyors of bacon cheeseburgers.
*"Onan[a] was a figure detailed in the Book of Genesis chapter 38,[1] as the second son of Judah who married the daughter of Shuah the Canaanite. Onan had an older brother Er and a younger brother, Shelah as well.
After being commanded by his father, Judah, to perform his duty as a husband's brother according to the custom of levirate marriage with the late Er's wife Tamar, Onan instead refused to perform his duty as a levirate and "spilled his seed on the ground whenever he went in" because "the offspring would not be his", and was thus put to death by Yahweh.[2] This act is detailed as retribution for being "displeasing in the sight of Lord".[3][4] Onan's crime is often misinterpreted to be masturbation but it is universally agreed among biblical scholars that Onan's death is attributed to his refusal to fulfill his obligation of levirate marriage with Tamar by committing coitus interruptus.[5][6]
The bible makes for great reading. The King James Bible, mainly the Old Testament, is literature essential for a western education. Believing in a God is not necessary. It's the backbone of a huge amount of our literature. Every writer used to know the Bible. 100 years ago , in much of America, it was the only book in the house.
It was mentioned that sperm would be counted as human life also. Every pre-adolescent boy and horny guy would be arrested for murder. I understand that these IVF is in a freezer or some sort of refrigeration. What happens when the power goes out? and there is no generator?
They intend to take away women's right to vote. These impotent men blame women for their lack of being able to succeed against us, therefore they need to strip us of our rights and keep us barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen where they think we belong. Yes women belong in the house, and senate and the White House!
Jen, I would love to asked my only surviving brother this question. Before we stopped speaking to each other, I was contacted by a man who was searching for his father (we share DNA). I emailed my brother and never received an answer. He’s a MAGAman and I think it’s kind of funny that he doesn’t realize his secret is out, thanks to family members on both sides being part of the same DNA family network.
Yes you never hear anything about the males in the anti-abortion battle. It's ALL about women..... The GOP is dominated by males, and scripture is plain speak on that one.
Bottom line - Vance is an opportunist and likely does not believe all the sh-t spewing from his mouth. More of the “say anything, do anything” to seize power. JD faux-billy sees Trump as the vehicle to power.
Wonder how he feels about Paul's statement in the New Testament:
Corinthians 7:7-8 New Living Translation (NLT)
But I wish everyone were single, just as I am. Yet each person has a special gift from God, of one kind or another. So I say to those who aren't married and to widows—it's better to stay unmarried, just as I am.
In actuality, if there is an admissions committee interview to get into heaven, I will have explaining to do for never marrying or having children. I believe that procreation, perhaps better stated as parenting, is a Xian duty.
But to condemn those who have chosen against it strikes me as proving a fundamental lack of charity. In any case, ¿is there not a deduction for dependents? I could see the level of deduction being elevated to a more realistic level, if that need be.
As to your other hypothetical, likely rhetorical questions, Mary, you nail it. It is a 'policy proposal' that Senator Vance knows will gain no traxion. Cynically does he say these things to throw red meat over the transom to M.A.G.A.s locked in a quarantining room.
The other question is, do all women who've had children get this extra bonus, or just Christian women? Wouldn't giving non-Christian children extra votes "sully" the vote, in their eyes?
Probably not gay fathers, unless they contributed their sperm. POC? I’m not sure whether they would need a white father to count (kind of like Clarence Thomas going after past Supreme Court decisions dependent on the 14th amendment except for Loving v. Virginia—which legalized his marriage to Gini).
Marge, I would expect that they would count the miscarriages the same as born babies who died after birth—one vote apiece. As for willfully aborted fetuses—those wouldn’t count because you’d be in jail and a felon.
J L, he should be very afraid of ladies, very afraid. They are riled up and fired up, and ready to start taking back rights they have recently lost, as well as other rights which they may well lose given Vance's and others' rhetoric. Womentum, as I called it yesterday, and I'm here for it.
I see Vance as an albatross around the convicted felon''s neck, whose own naked misogyny should be enough to cause him to lose female voters, a majority of which has historically voted Republican. Vance is a distraction on the ticket, more newsworthy than CF45 himself, who must have buyer's remorse. Someone needs to post daily photographs of a head of lettuce. On a couch.
Meanwhile, mark your calendars, folks: the convicted felon's fate will be determined on September 6th, when a hearing will be held to consider whether the conviction in New York State should be overturned, given SCOTUS decision on presidential immunity a few weeks ago (*extremely* unlikely, from what I've read.) Sentencing will follow on September 18. Donold is scared to death, as he rightfully should be, for his days of reckoning are nearing. No wonder he's exhorting his followers to vote, and offering chilling words after: that they won't need to in four years because he'll have "fixed" everything.
A few years back, the UK was churning through Prime Ministers and one (whose name I don’t recall), was expected to last less time than it took for a head of lettuce to wilt. There was a website with a live camera on the head on lettuce (I think the lettuce lasted longer).
Trump should tell Vance to just Shut Up!….. But, I hope he doesn’t because Vance is definitely dragging him down. Plus, doesn’t Vance look more “Presidential “? And, MUCH younger?
I’m really looking forward to how crazy this campaign (to keep him out of jail) is going to make him. I forecast seeing a real meltdown. We know what tffg is made of: jelly.
I had a chat w my PT about cosmetic surgery and she said she thought women did it for themselves, but her mom wouldn't. She'd had a tumor removed near her jaw and still couldn't feel her ear lobe, so why?
But the lip thing? It's gotta be for men. And your latter reason I think.
(The Borowitz Report)—In a welcome piece of good news for the embattled vice-presidential nominee, a new poll released on Thursday shows that a hundred percent of likely Democratic voters favor JD Vance remaining on the GOP ticket.
Vance’s strong showing with Democratic voters stands in sharp contrast with his performance among Republicans, only 17 percent of whom support his continuing as nominee.
Among those Democrats surveyed, a hundred percent agreed with the statement “JD Vance should receive more airtime” while a hundred percent concurred with the statement “Just let JD be JD.”
Doug, yes he should be afraid of ladies who right now are busy raising lots of money for Harris. I did smile about the head of lettuce on a couch. Every time he opens his mouth, it gets worse and he just doubles down. As I recall, and I may be wrong here, he had great praise for his mamaw who he described as one tough woman in his book.
"I see Vance as an albatross around the convicted felon's neck" I have seen some potentially REALLY BAD news: Trump may drumpf Vance, as scorpions often do, and replace him with a calmer presence like that of Governor Burgum.
From a political essayist whom I trust, Mark Sumner of 'Daily Kos': "[Vance is] also the perfect scapegoat for a Trump campaign that has foundered since Kamala Harris became the apparent Democratic nominee.
"The pull of blaming it all on Vance and moving on to Trump Vice President No. 3 is likely to be irresistible. Don’t be surprised if Vance gets to go home soon . . . while plotting how to punish people who don’t have children. No doubt, though, that he’ll miss getting first dibs at 'a ton of crap.'"
Ned, to dump Vance, he’d have to admit that he (and his sons) were wrong to choose him in the first place—the time interval is too short to blame it on Vance changing, as he did Pence.
Ned, I agree -- that's why I thought someone should have a daily series of a head of lettuce (on a couch, because that would be just perfect. Yeah, I don't see that ticket lasting -- he's attracting too much attention. And Vance just came out with a comment about his Indian wife: "Yes, she's not a white woman, but I love her". (Paraphrased)
I wonder about Senator Vance's wife. She strikes me as lovely and refined. At times during the 'mock' Convention, Mrs Vance looked uncomfortable; perhaps the lure of proximity to power proves overwhelming. In her position, I would be worried about papa's effect on the little one's.
He's orange by choice. Possibly he's also fat by choice, but possibly not - he doesn't even walk the golf course, fgs; it's possible he's too out of shape to do so. Ignorant, cruel, with the mental capacity, arrogance, emotional maturity and vocabulary of a 7th grader, fraud, sex pest, seditionist insurrectionist, defamer/liar - there's lots of things he is by choice, so we don't need to fat-shame him. Also orange.
I don't love the "weird" label that her campaign is using. Felon and criminal is accurate. In some parts like the PNW, "weird" in urban language has a positive connotation and doesn't mean JD Vance at all, eg. "Keep Portland (Oregon) Weird"
Bigoted, antisocial, deranged, creepy, freaky, lacking empathy, are all better words than "weird". I like creepy, there's no positive connotation to the word and it is accurate.
when I had the kids, I decided they had to have pets and we had dogs, cats, rabbits, gerbils, a horse...I wanted them to have unconditional love and they certainly weren't going to get it from me. I'm just not that stupid.
Mountain cats? Do they look different than regular cats? Like Norwegian Forest cats? Larger? My Mexican cat is an ordinary gray tiger with some siamese in him, I think, because he's very yappie and very smart. Left at my front door 11 years ago. From the very first minute he had no problem with my Doberman (another rescue). he was raised by a family with kids and dogs....He loves company.
If you cant sell it, get rid of it. The Reagan Administration proposed that species protection should be dependent on the presumed monetary value of the species in question.
I cannot help but wonder, what's up with JD's wife? This is an educated, female, person of color, and she accedes to her husband's sanctimony and vile anti-woman propaganda? If true, she is yet another woman stabbing the rest of her sisters in the back, a la Nikki Haley.
Women march mightily in the "pro life" movement. Curiously, a small? majority of younger females pre-high school grad lean that way. We all live in cultural bubbles, remember that, all. In certain parts of the world, it's women who perform female genital mutilation.
Some women, and I know at least one, who is brilliant, will submit to the perceived superiority of the X and Y chromosome combo. They get their bluff in and even smart, accomplished women bow down. It’s interesting to watch up close. She admired my kind, smart husband and I once offered to trade for a week. I said first thing I would do is get one of those button badges that said “You have mistaken me for someone who cares what you think,” and put it on first day. Sadly, she declined and is still bowing down.
Just to say. When I got that Walz fund raising email, his use of 'weird' jumped out at me. And I unsubscribed. In the 60s that label was used to attack a wide range of people who did not fit a typical self presentation in appearance or ideas. That was a lot of us. Historically it has been used to attack people who are not neurotypical - many of our most vulnerable fellow humans.
I don't think we should stoop to name calling. There are better - more accurate and less fraught -
They could say “the ideas of the GOP are weird” or “the things the GOP and the P/VP ticket say are offensive, inappropriate, and screw-ball nutty” or “if the MAGA/GOP think america is so bad, why are they still living here? Stop shit-talking our country- shit talking is not policy"
Lin, I'm not sure the word has quite the same connotation today. And I was around in the 60s, but don't remember that used as a pejorative -- which ISN'T to say it wasn't, and I'm sorry that it brings up those memories for you.
I just don't think younger folks (or even those more senior) associate it that way.
I wish I could "opt out" of receiving fund-raising texts -- "Stop2End" just makes them used a different number.
I donated to Liz warren and the texts from Dem. candidates from all over the country came in...until I gave up that cell number. Due to that, I stopped donating. I thought isn't there a way to send cash??? But, when I donated to Actblue for Harris, they didn't require a number.
Actually....that's a good idea. I just checked my promotions email file and already have dozens of Kamala emails ...I really don't want them. It feels like getting beaten over the head. ....Checks sent from Mexico might make it by Christmas.......
He's orange by choice. Also by choice: ignorant, cruel, with the mental capacity, arrogance, emotional maturity and vocabulary of a 7th grader, fraud, sex pest, seditionist insurrectionist, defamer/liar, convicted felon (although probably not by choice!) - there's lots of things he is by choice, so we don't need to call names.
I agree with lin. I am so tired of the name calling. I do not want our candidates to stoop to that level. It is a MAGA tactic that we should not replicate.
"and generally sounded like someone you wouldn’t want to sit near at a restaurant—let alone be President of the United States."
Exactly.
"Vance doubled down on his denigration of women who have not given birth as “childless cat ladies” but assured voters he has nothing against cats."
Just ladies.
JL, he just has something against any childless ladies whom he feels have worked against God’s plan. Interestingly, he expresses no similar rancor against men who don’t produce children or fail to support them once they’re born.
His idea that the father (notice that he doesn’t mention the mother) should have voting power proportional to the number of children produced doesn’t address the issue of which children count: all children produced or only those produced in a heterosexual marriage? Also, if your wife leaves due to spousal abuse, do you lose your extra votes? Do you get those extra votes for all children produced (including miscarriages) or only those living at the time of the election?
Oh, wait, if 45 gets his way, the discussion of how many votes a father gets would be moot…
Weird, unlawful, misogynistic, prejudicial against everything America stands for. Well, duh. He is the perfect VP for chump, bat-Schitt crazy
And without much of any personal power or big money backers (besides Thiel, who likely just wanted to own a rightwing radical Senator) pore ol' Vance would be the perfect scapegoat to offer as sacrifice if necessary.
My thought too T L.
I was thinking yesterday about dumpty staying home in his jammies, as Lawrence O'Donnell suggested. And after Kamala wipes the floor with him, will he crawl away?
Never ever.
The orange Cocksplat and the Couch Stain make such an incredible pair. May they drown together in sinking Florida.
Hopefully they will make it a threesome and take desantis with them!
"sink" baby.., SINK!
Is it possible for them to sink lower still?
Jen, thank you for giving me a name for JD, miserable misogynist (among other awful things) that he is. He will certainly be the scapegoat and I am going to say when, not if, death star loses.
Along with Democrats. How dare they oppose God's mandate that those with the most money win?
LMAO 'couch stain' had me choking on my smoothie!
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We can hope that if DJT loses the 2024 Election, he will accept that decision gracefully... I doubt it... He has already said he won't... He hasn't even accepted 2020's loss... He has already promised a Civil-War is case of a loss... Let's Hope For The Best...
Hope, vote, and quote
We will be prepared. We know what peaceful means to trumpers. The National Guard should be on full alert.
May they be seen for what they are, which is worse.
That’s what repubs are wont to do. How many have trod that path…
I may be unfair here, but my impression is that narcissistic Trump would betray anyone; even his own family, if he believed it served his personal agenda.
JL - I think that’s a fair statement. Fits his mental illness diagnoses perfectly.
I am worried that President Trump will replace Vance. BUMMER.
"He’s also the perfect scapegoat for a Trump campaign that has foundered since Kamala Harris became the apparent Democratic nominee.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/7/26/2258308/-JD-Vance-is-a-gift-to-Democrats
"The pull of blaming it all on Vance and moving on to Trump Vice President No. 3 is likely to be irresistible."
Firing people is his shtick, but this is more complicated.
Another turd in the punchbowl. Quite the Party. But, they're drinking that kool-aid.., one can only hope that it takes them out.
They resemble the Jones cult more every day
Just thinking that yesterday.
jD Chilcult, that has been my thought for months, this trump cult reminds me of the Jones cult and that did not work out well for them, sadly, sadly, sadly.
Delusional cults often stray into violence. Some harm themselves, some destroy others. Jones did both.
But did current candidates even consider the possibility that they were being the suckers and losers. None I know.
Chump & Dump!
Tee shirt time.
Nicely put, J.D.; from Dr Cox Richardson: "but [Vice President Harris's] campaign has taken the approach of referring to [President Trump] and J.D. Vance as weirdos." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgAoGf84-3A This is just the kid of push-back I have been hoping for. Laugh these bozoes off of the bus! Nothing sends macho mouths as quickly into comedic conniptions as laughing at them.
It’s the kind of funny that will cause us to cry if we fail in meeting the challenge
jD. You got that right in target.
Fits like OJ’s glove should have
The only problem is that if trump wins (if there is a god, it won't happen) Vance will take over if trump dies in office. There will be no respite. It may even be worse.
The money and Putin will rule either way. Can’t get worse than that. God doesn’t vote, we have free will to be stupid, ignorant and oh so human
votes for embryos? Oh wait - they want to prohibit IVF. Votes for sperm count?
Yes, right now in this country embryos have more rights than women do.I also agree with those who are mentioning men’s roles in all of this.Childless men are contributing nothing to society but men are never considered in the children equation ,just women.
Zygotes have more rights than mothers, or their delivered kids.
"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great, if a sperm is wasted God will get irate ..." Monty Python
Perfect. Zygote is potential life and so is sperm. We need sperm to have the right to vote and there are a lot more of them. Let's register sperm to vote.
And unlike eggs, more are made each day. (Of course this is sarcasm.)
"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great, if a sperm is wasted, God will be irate." So, start saving your ejaculate!
lol
Make it simple: One dollar, one vote. -- $COTUS
a hundred years ago, and less, mothers would check their teenage male beds for any telltale signs of sperm. For a lively lad, that could be close to a billion sperm. Geez. Nutz. I think most of this comes from a traditional austerity Christian outlook, thankfully mostly a past thing. Even Ann Landers was ok on masterbation. Besides, its generally irrepressible.
Good lord, I have four younger brothers, don’t think my mom was that crazy. She was too busy to be nuts with eight young’uns
lol my mother, as far as I know, wasn't a bed checker either. She never got beyond being a baptist "adherent"... not sure why she didnt want to be baptised.
And don't tell me "Christian" men don't do it.
mostly impossible
Dunno. Masturbation put hair on my knuckles. Now everybody knows.
😯🙏🤔⚖️😊🚀😉
I have a popular medical guide book from the early 20th Century which ascribes multiple conditions of mental and physical ill health to masturbation, and advises supervising a pubescent kid 24 hours a day if necessary. For real.
lol Ned, I don't think so! Dont overdo it, end up with repetitive strain injury.
‘Irrepressible.” Haha
for the most part, for most men, that was my personal experience. I do know a guy who refused to masterbate, a staunch traditional Catholic, but he also had OCD. Take a poll on how Catholic priests manage....
Marcia, a perfect quote to describe the religious railing about wasting sperm in self satisfaction. The Church has long known the power of sex....just think about those guys sitting on pillars in the desert or in caves in Egypt, thinking about women day and night I bet.
Michele, or maybe about the guys sitting next to them?
Or the goat next door. Or the dog running down the street. Or the sheep in the field over yonder. 😈😁
LOL
'Every sperm is sacred.' Remember that Monty Python song? It was a satirical statement against the Catholic Church that may well apply here. The video is easily found on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzVHjg3AqIQ&t=2s.
As Uncle Toby suggests in Tristram Shandy, the repubs must begin by baptizing the sperm.
He must be really pissed at all of the great sperm wasted on bed sheets.
OMG! I'd forgotten that episode. Thanks for the ammunition.
Good one.
Perfect. Conception begins at erection, after all.
Jen, you're on fire with your comments... 😂
Exactly so.
Oh shit, I'd be broke
HA! LOVE THIS!!!
Or impure thoughts.
Why not? Makes perfect sense to me.
How far are we going to go on with this stupidness?
Robert🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏😳🤪
Now you are onto the problem. Irresponsible ejaculators!
Yes!!!! Think of all of the potential babies that are being destroyed by that one selfish act! lol
'Ware the couch.
😂
It should be banned like abortions are!
"votes for embryos?"
Nothing new. Heard it floated years ago at CPAC (CSpan.) Along with a claim that the Second Amendment was intended to protect the unborn.
This year an RNC speaker was antiabortion activist Abby Johnson who has advocated for "a head-of-household voting system that has historically barred women and people of color from casting ballots." Saying "In godly households that would be the husband."
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Colorado had fetal personhood on the ballot in 2008, the Obama year. I was exit polling that year, and the crap I saw at the polls was shocking. Grateful almost all ballots by mail or drop box in Colorado now. I think the entire morning vote at the polling place I watched was lost due to a hard drive crash and internet issue that kept the location from downloading the vote.
Well, that WOULD result in fewer votes for the Trampler and the sidekick, so there's that.
I would love it if every man had to give a sample of his sperm, to see how many sperm he had in an ejaculation, and this number became public.
I'd be happy if the gummint kept a database of every man's dna. So we could garnish his wages til death for irresponsible ejaculstion.
LOL. Jen. Everyone here is really on a roll.
Or not supporting the children a girl or woman must birth.
In TX, if you rape a woman and impregnate them, there is about a 2% chance of being charged and convicted of rape.
When my daughter was born they registered her for a SS#, and took her footprint. This was in 1994. Why not take everyone's DNA at birth, or maybe some states are already doing that?
It it being reported that sperm counts are plunging; possibly due to industrial chemicals permeating out current environment.
Spilling one's seed is verboten in their almighty old testament. I wonder how we can enforce a ban on ejaculations?
"Spilling one's seed is verboten in their almighty old testament."
Not so.
1. The Torah does not have any negative commandment concerning 'spilling one's seed.' The misconception comes from a misreading of the story of Onan. Whose sin was refusing to fulfill the social obligation of levirate marriage.*
2. The 'Old Testament' is certainly not almighty among the Evangelicals and Catholics who are bent on imposing their religious creed on civil society. Otherwise instead of targeting health care providers they'd target purveyors of bacon cheeseburgers.
*"Onan[a] was a figure detailed in the Book of Genesis chapter 38,[1] as the second son of Judah who married the daughter of Shuah the Canaanite. Onan had an older brother Er and a younger brother, Shelah as well.
After being commanded by his father, Judah, to perform his duty as a husband's brother according to the custom of levirate marriage with the late Er's wife Tamar, Onan instead refused to perform his duty as a levirate and "spilled his seed on the ground whenever he went in" because "the offspring would not be his", and was thus put to death by Yahweh.[2] This act is detailed as retribution for being "displeasing in the sight of Lord".[3][4] Onan's crime is often misinterpreted to be masturbation but it is universally agreed among biblical scholars that Onan's death is attributed to his refusal to fulfill his obligation of levirate marriage with Tamar by committing coitus interruptus.[5][6]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan
My impression is that many aspects of the Bible are all but universally misinterpreted.
Just like the shit that Trump says: some love it, some revile it
The bible makes for great reading. The King James Bible, mainly the Old Testament, is literature essential for a western education. Believing in a God is not necessary. It's the backbone of a huge amount of our literature. Every writer used to know the Bible. 100 years ago , in much of America, it was the only book in the house.
Ty lin!
prohibition didn't work out so well. The failure rate here is about 95%+
A stopcock?
Perfect!
How about what will happen when "men waste their seeds"?!!!
It was mentioned that sperm would be counted as human life also. Every pre-adolescent boy and horny guy would be arrested for murder. I understand that these IVF is in a freezer or some sort of refrigeration. What happens when the power goes out? and there is no generator?
They intend to take away women's right to vote. These impotent men blame women for their lack of being able to succeed against us, therefore they need to strip us of our rights and keep us barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen where they think we belong. Yes women belong in the house, and senate and the White House!
What about the illegitimate children you fathered and refuse to support? Do you get to vote for them too?
Jen, I would love to asked my only surviving brother this question. Before we stopped speaking to each other, I was contacted by a man who was searching for his father (we share DNA). I emailed my brother and never received an answer. He’s a MAGAman and I think it’s kind of funny that he doesn’t realize his secret is out, thanks to family members on both sides being part of the same DNA family network.
Mary. It is all so insane, to believe that someone could think like jd let alone be a candidate for vice president. All so SICK!
Kamala's campaign is correct to call them weirdos. And that's mild, IMHO.
Because of deadbeat fathers the government has become abba.
Yes you never hear anything about the males in the anti-abortion battle. It's ALL about women..... The GOP is dominated by males, and scripture is plain speak on that one.
Bottom line - Vance is an opportunist and likely does not believe all the sh-t spewing from his mouth. More of the “say anything, do anything” to seize power. JD faux-billy sees Trump as the vehicle to power.
Do you suppose all of his anti-women rhetoric comes from his childhood experience of his mother?
Wonder how he feels about Paul's statement in the New Testament:
Corinthians 7:7-8 New Living Translation (NLT)
But I wish everyone were single, just as I am. Yet each person has a special gift from God, of one kind or another. So I say to those who aren't married and to widows—it's better to stay unmarried, just as I am.
In actuality, if there is an admissions committee interview to get into heaven, I will have explaining to do for never marrying or having children. I believe that procreation, perhaps better stated as parenting, is a Xian duty.
But to condemn those who have chosen against it strikes me as proving a fundamental lack of charity. In any case, ¿is there not a deduction for dependents? I could see the level of deduction being elevated to a more realistic level, if that need be.
As to your other hypothetical, likely rhetorical questions, Mary, you nail it. It is a 'policy proposal' that Senator Vance knows will gain no traxion. Cynically does he say these things to throw red meat over the transom to M.A.G.A.s locked in a quarantining room.
The other question is, do all women who've had children get this extra bonus, or just Christian women? Wouldn't giving non-Christian children extra votes "sully" the vote, in their eyes?
J. Mil, as I read it, only the fathers get the extra votes.
Actually I read 'people". But the question remains, would the children of POC or gay couples also afford the adults extra votes?
Probably not gay fathers, unless they contributed their sperm. POC? I’m not sure whether they would need a white father to count (kind of like Clarence Thomas going after past Supreme Court decisions dependent on the 14th amendment except for Loving v. Virginia—which legalized his marriage to Gini).
Best constructed comment EVER!
I think fetal personhood definitely counts 🙄😳
Hey, if corporate person-hood is a thing. Even a bottle of Mr. Clean.
How would they spportion votes for miscarried or (horrors) aborted fetuses?
Marge, I would expect that they would count the miscarriages the same as born babies who died after birth—one vote apiece. As for willfully aborted fetuses—those wouldn’t count because you’d be in jail and a felon.
J L, he should be very afraid of ladies, very afraid. They are riled up and fired up, and ready to start taking back rights they have recently lost, as well as other rights which they may well lose given Vance's and others' rhetoric. Womentum, as I called it yesterday, and I'm here for it.
I see Vance as an albatross around the convicted felon''s neck, whose own naked misogyny should be enough to cause him to lose female voters, a majority of which has historically voted Republican. Vance is a distraction on the ticket, more newsworthy than CF45 himself, who must have buyer's remorse. Someone needs to post daily photographs of a head of lettuce. On a couch.
Meanwhile, mark your calendars, folks: the convicted felon's fate will be determined on September 6th, when a hearing will be held to consider whether the conviction in New York State should be overturned, given SCOTUS decision on presidential immunity a few weeks ago (*extremely* unlikely, from what I've read.) Sentencing will follow on September 18. Donold is scared to death, as he rightfully should be, for his days of reckoning are nearing. No wonder he's exhorting his followers to vote, and offering chilling words after: that they won't need to in four years because he'll have "fixed" everything.
Exactly, to use your word, J L.
“A head of lettuce on a couch”
Brilliant. Just brilliant. 🤪
Thanks GeorgeC.
wait -- I missed that -- what's the quote from -- it's sooooo good!!
A few years back, the UK was churning through Prime Ministers and one (whose name I don’t recall), was expected to last less time than it took for a head of lettuce to wilt. There was a website with a live camera on the head on lettuce (I think the lettuce lasted longer).
Trump should tell Vance to just Shut Up!….. But, I hope he doesn’t because Vance is definitely dragging him down. Plus, doesn’t Vance look more “Presidential “? And, MUCH younger?
I’m really looking forward to how crazy this campaign (to keep him out of jail) is going to make him. I forecast seeing a real meltdown. We know what tffg is made of: jelly.
It's difficult to imagine someone, anyone on earth, dragging Trump down. Where does one sink from rock bottom?
DJT jr. And btw hasn't he been engaged to that strange looking lip-injected thing for several years now?
Yikes, I say. Why do women do that shit to their lips? For men? To advertise (questionable) fellating skills?
I had a chat w my PT about cosmetic surgery and she said she thought women did it for themselves, but her mom wouldn't. She'd had a tumor removed near her jaw and still couldn't feel her ear lobe, so why?
But the lip thing? It's gotta be for men. And your latter reason I think.
It looks so unnatural.
"China Syndrome" One hundred and fifth circle of Hell.
Those fat cheeks and low brow look Cro Magnon to me.
Neanderthal comes to mind. Wouldn’t he and MTG make some pretty babies!? 🤢
Adding to this:
(The Borowitz Report)—In a welcome piece of good news for the embattled vice-presidential nominee, a new poll released on Thursday shows that a hundred percent of likely Democratic voters favor JD Vance remaining on the GOP ticket.
Vance’s strong showing with Democratic voters stands in sharp contrast with his performance among Republicans, only 17 percent of whom support his continuing as nominee.
Among those Democrats surveyed, a hundred percent agreed with the statement “JD Vance should receive more airtime” while a hundred percent concurred with the statement “Just let JD be JD.”
What are Donold Trumps made of? Hubris and spite and all things shite.
“Donold” good one. You’re on a roll Doug!
Someone should have told him before he got his ear nicked, "Duck Donold, Duck!"
we are all feeling our oats this morning!
And I’m so grateful for the humor and laughs. A good feeling for a change.
Me too!
There is now a meme using Donold. And of course, many about childless women and cats.
And childless women and dogs.
Thanks runragged (although I should have pointed out I stole that from someone else.)
Well then, thanks for sharing!
“Womentum” is also brilliant.
“Womentum” I LOVE IT!!
Thanks, Catherine!
Doug, yes he should be afraid of ladies who right now are busy raising lots of money for Harris. I did smile about the head of lettuce on a couch. Every time he opens his mouth, it gets worse and he just doubles down. As I recall, and I may be wrong here, he had great praise for his mamaw who he described as one tough woman in his book.
But he surely doesn’t want any more of those, based on his cultural positions.
"I see Vance as an albatross around the convicted felon's neck" I have seen some potentially REALLY BAD news: Trump may drumpf Vance, as scorpions often do, and replace him with a calmer presence like that of Governor Burgum.
From a political essayist whom I trust, Mark Sumner of 'Daily Kos': "[Vance is] also the perfect scapegoat for a Trump campaign that has foundered since Kamala Harris became the apparent Democratic nominee.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/7/26/2258308/-JD-Vance-is-a-gift-to-Democrats
"The pull of blaming it all on Vance and moving on to Trump Vice President No. 3 is likely to be irresistible. Don’t be surprised if Vance gets to go home soon . . . while plotting how to punish people who don’t have children. No doubt, though, that he’ll miss getting first dibs at 'a ton of crap.'"
Ned, to dump Vance, he’d have to admit that he (and his sons) were wrong to choose him in the first place—the time interval is too short to blame it on Vance changing, as he did Pence.
Good point, Mary. Boy, oh boy, do I hope you are correct.
Ned, I agree -- that's why I thought someone should have a daily series of a head of lettuce (on a couch, because that would be just perfect. Yeah, I don't see that ticket lasting -- he's attracting too much attention. And Vance just came out with a comment about his Indian wife: "Yes, she's not a white woman, but I love her". (Paraphrased)
I wonder about Senator Vance's wife. She strikes me as lovely and refined. At times during the 'mock' Convention, Mrs Vance looked uncomfortable; perhaps the lure of proximity to power proves overwhelming. In her position, I would be worried about papa's effect on the little one's.
I read that she was a Never Trumper, but then again, so was JD until he wasn't. That's about all I know of her.
Yeah, to quote the great twentieth century German philosopher, Sergeant Schultz: "I know nothing!"
Dolt 45 seems to focus on the "base". Vile is good.
(quote) "Harris continually refers to Trump as a criminal in her speeches"
AND SHE SHOULD !!
Damn it, he's always going on about "sleepy Joe", Kamala should call the Orange Felon out for what he really is!
Fatty?......
Hm, might be interpreted as 'fat shaming'... But there's no denying he is orange, and there's also no denying he's a felon.
He's orange by choice. Possibly he's also fat by choice, but possibly not - he doesn't even walk the golf course, fgs; it's possible he's too out of shape to do so. Ignorant, cruel, with the mental capacity, arrogance, emotional maturity and vocabulary of a 7th grader, fraud, sex pest, seditionist insurrectionist, defamer/liar - there's lots of things he is by choice, so we don't need to fat-shame him. Also orange.
Definitely orange. But you forgot racist, malignant, narcissist, downright antisocial, horribly egocentric and machiavellist.
You're right. We don't want to alienate 50% of the Americans who are obese.
I don't love the "weird" label that her campaign is using. Felon and criminal is accurate. In some parts like the PNW, "weird" in urban language has a positive connotation and doesn't mean JD Vance at all, eg. "Keep Portland (Oregon) Weird"
Agreed. That "weird" uncle might be a pretty cool uncle depending on the context... "Crazy" might be the better word, especially for Vance.
Bigoted, antisocial, deranged, creepy, freaky, lacking empathy, are all better words than "weird". I like creepy, there's no positive connotation to the word and it is accurate.
Agreed.
Mean? Just say "no" to slugs.
Cats, however, have a big grudge against him.
Next, Vance and Trump will accuse cats of fraudulently voting.
Just registered our cat to vote 9 times--nine lives you know!
Good idea! I have 3 cats!
Cats are actually little people with fur coats.
Seems like it sometimes.
But of course.
Birds and fish ?🦜🐟😂
https://open.substack.com/pub/borowitzreport/p/jd-vance-brainstorming-ways-to-alienate?r=fqsxl&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
Gut bacteria should count.
Cats should count as voters, but their ladies get to vote for them.
🦊😃
All of my Mountain cats are
on the warpath over JD
Vance remarks about cat
ladies. I am their caretaker
here and gave birth to 3
children. Stick it Vance.
I have had children and I have had cats. I can tell you, cats are a better deal.
Oh! You let the cat out of the bag.
when I had the kids, I decided they had to have pets and we had dogs, cats, rabbits, gerbils, a horse...I wanted them to have unconditional love and they certainly weren't going to get it from me. I'm just not that stupid.
In some ways. There are
about 20 Mountain cats on
average, most abandoned
as kittens and about 5 very
feral. There's another group
of 8-10 further down the
Mountain I can't reach in my
wheelchair and my landlord
takes care of. It can get a bit
rowdy at times and there are
no rooms to send them to, to
cool down.😁
Mountain cats? Do they look different than regular cats? Like Norwegian Forest cats? Larger? My Mexican cat is an ordinary gray tiger with some siamese in him, I think, because he's very yappie and very smart. Left at my front door 11 years ago. From the very first minute he had no problem with my Doberman (another rescue). he was raised by a family with kids and dogs....He loves company.
By necessary implication he hates cats, despite the denial. Pet lovers unite.
https://danielsolomon.substack.com/p/pet-owners-unite
I think the whole GOP hates nature and wants to stamp it out , asap.
We already know who doesn't like dogs... or probably cats either
Or, people.
Good point!
If you cant sell it, get rid of it. The Reagan Administration proposed that species protection should be dependent on the presumed monetary value of the species in question.
With only two of your own words you crystallized my thoughts and reactions…. Exactly.
Doctor, what's with the red circle with a tiny red check mark followed by the words -- "Examined" ?
Do not answer with any personal information. Thank you in advance Ryan
I cannot help but wonder, what's up with JD's wife? This is an educated, female, person of color, and she accedes to her husband's sanctimony and vile anti-woman propaganda? If true, she is yet another woman stabbing the rest of her sisters in the back, a la Nikki Haley.
Women march mightily in the "pro life" movement. Curiously, a small? majority of younger females pre-high school grad lean that way. We all live in cultural bubbles, remember that, all. In certain parts of the world, it's women who perform female genital mutilation.
Societal manipulation is common, is it not. You are right, best we remember that. Especially those who want all females to reject the hijab.
Some women, and I know at least one, who is brilliant, will submit to the perceived superiority of the X and Y chromosome combo. They get their bluff in and even smart, accomplished women bow down. It’s interesting to watch up close. She admired my kind, smart husband and I once offered to trade for a week. I said first thing I would do is get one of those button badges that said “You have mistaken me for someone who cares what you think,” and put it on first day. Sadly, she declined and is still bowing down.
Really strange. She's superior and she likes him???
Felt this way from the first time we learned anything about her!
I love the labeling them as 'weird' - so true and hopefully effective.
Just to say. When I got that Walz fund raising email, his use of 'weird' jumped out at me. And I unsubscribed. In the 60s that label was used to attack a wide range of people who did not fit a typical self presentation in appearance or ideas. That was a lot of us. Historically it has been used to attack people who are not neurotypical - many of our most vulnerable fellow humans.
I don't think we should stoop to name calling. There are better - more accurate and less fraught -
ways to refer to our opponents.
They could say “the ideas of the GOP are weird” or “the things the GOP and the P/VP ticket say are offensive, inappropriate, and screw-ball nutty” or “if the MAGA/GOP think america is so bad, why are they still living here? Stop shit-talking our country- shit talking is not policy"
Lin, I'm not sure the word has quite the same connotation today. And I was around in the 60s, but don't remember that used as a pejorative -- which ISN'T to say it wasn't, and I'm sorry that it brings up those memories for you.
I just don't think younger folks (or even those more senior) associate it that way.
I wish I could "opt out" of receiving fund-raising texts -- "Stop2End" just makes them used a different number.
I donated to Liz warren and the texts from Dem. candidates from all over the country came in...until I gave up that cell number. Due to that, I stopped donating. I thought isn't there a way to send cash??? But, when I donated to Actblue for Harris, they didn't require a number.
Do you have a checking account? I send checks, and don't give out my cell number,ever!
Actually....that's a good idea. I just checked my promotions email file and already have dozens of Kamala emails ...I really don't want them. It feels like getting beaten over the head. ....Checks sent from Mexico might make it by Christmas.......
Absolutely!
If you think labeling opponents as 'weird' is a tactical error, then please take a moment to let the DNC et al know.
https://democrats.org/contact-us/
Thank you. I will. And, I have a some other things I want them to hear.
This is well-intended, but I can’t help but think of the old phrase about bringing a penknife to a gunfight.
Sometimes metaphor obscures rather than illuminates.
What we want to do is bring facts and decorum to a political debate.
True, but this isn't one of those times.
He's orange by choice. Also by choice: ignorant, cruel, with the mental capacity, arrogance, emotional maturity and vocabulary of a 7th grader, fraud, sex pest, seditionist insurrectionist, defamer/liar, convicted felon (although probably not by choice!) - there's lots of things he is by choice, so we don't need to call names.
He gets away with being a (whatever) because of $$$$$
I agree with lin. I am so tired of the name calling. I do not want our candidates to stoop to that level. It is a MAGA tactic that we should not replicate.