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And Carl Sagan saw what America has become.

“I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

The dumbing down of American is most evident in the slow decay of substantive content in the enormously influential media, the 30 second sound bites (now down to 10 seconds or less), lowest common denominator programming, credulous presentations on pseudoscience and superstition, but especially a kind of celebration of ignorance”

― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

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So let’s hold those candles in the dark. Solutions and preventions are short term and long term in this global economy. Identify and support ethical enterprises. Educate to grow critical thinking skills. Like Becky wrote, “Buy used, borrow, barter, share, or invent.” What else?

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What you (and Becky) said, Ellie!

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the clarity...the true-ness...the horror

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Since writing 'The Demon Haunted World', all of Sagan's words have never rung more true.

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The white, manufacturing based, middle class are now the POC of the 1950's and 60's. If one really wants to help them, do not buy any foreign made goods. Try it!

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It is pretty hard to "not buy foreign made goods" these days. When something says "Made in the USA" and you find out that the only part of that making is the label the claim is printed on. Shoes? Well, SAS still makes some of theirs in TX, but not much available in shoes made in USA, or textiles, or .... cars. LOL Sure; says made in USA but every component made elsewhere & MAYBE the vehicle is assembled in USA.

Try to buy scissors, nail clippers, or any small forged item that was made in USA. Tweezerman? ha! The myth that there is still manufacturing left in USA is the other big lie.

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Can't buy local? Buy used, borrow, barter, share, or invent. These save fuel, enhance community, build character, encourage innovation, and create happiness.

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Hard, yes, but not impossible. It is as Becky states “a muscle worth exercising”

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I think that is a muscle worth exercising.

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Ah my editing skills are not terribly reliable these days... My apologies

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McCarthy is afraid of what the investigation will reveal about Republicans in Congress. It turns out that up to a dozen GOP Congresspeople were involved in inciting the Jan 6th rioters and helping to plan the riot (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/11/us/politics/republicans-capitol-riot.html?referringSource=articleShare). Rightfully, McCarthy was outraged by the riot, and by Trump’s role in it, immediately after it happened. Then he learned of the involvement of folks like Gosar, Brooks, Biggs, MTG, Jordan, Gohmert and others, and realized how disastrous the investigation will be for Republican election prospects. So he flip-flopped. More power to Nancy Pelosi and Liz Cheney for pushing forward to expose these treasonous Republicans.

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The truth will out. It's going to be an ugly Fall. It's time for Congress to stop going, "aw shucks, gee willigers". No, you do not get to go outside and play until you clean up your room.

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The truth is already out. The problem is that 74M American voters are willing to do anything to preserve white rule.

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Part of his problem is that McCarthy himself is likely to be subpoenaed to testify about his phone pleas to Trump to call off the hounds that he loosed on the Capitol. He would be testifying under oath, and he knows what that would mean.

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Don't you just think they will all say they don't remember, don't recall, don't know or plead the 5th. I guess it will just be a way to get all the evidence into the trial but boy it will be frustrating! And their base will cheer them on like they really showed the Democrats by staying quiet.

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I tell you, I have so much respect for Nancy Pelosi. She keeps plugging along. She reminds me of the nonviolent meme, "Show up, listen, speak your truth, let go of the outcome." She does what she can regardless of some pretty bad behavior by the Republicans, and she is not ever put off by being stalemated.

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So true, Hope! 💙

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Simple truth spoken here. Thanks.

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From above: "Now, six months later, Republicans have lined up behind the former president and are seeking to sabotage the investigation into the January 6 insurrection, clearly unhappy about what that investigation will reveal."

I think "unhappy" is kind, given they may very well be facing charges of sedition and find themselves losing their careers forever once the truth becomes known.

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Is anyone else here completely giddy at times when I realize that we actually have the House and Senate (for now)? Not that it's a cake walk, but seriously...

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I don't know about giddy, but certainly relieved......for now.

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Oh, I hope so. They've done so well for so long at stone-walling, obfuscating, and lying.

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Can these Republicans refuse to testify or plead the 5th?

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Yes, they can plead the 5th. If they are subpoenaed they have to appear.

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And pleading the 5th speaks volumes.

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Yes, it does but the volumes don’t seem to sway the cultists at all.

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This is what Trump said back in 2015 about pleading the 5th, “The mob takes the Fifth,” Trump said. “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

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Yes, I remember that.

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Can anything be done once they plead the 5th? As in does it trigger investigations into that person's involvement?

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No, in short. However other evidence and other testimony may still implicate people who plead the 5th. This was a very public event, with lots of witnesses. Gosar, for example, may plead the 5th, but his tweets and statements announcing support for the insurrection both before and afterwards, and the videos of him appearing multiple times with one of the white supremacist ringleaders will be entered into evidence. Based on what has been reported in the past few months, Gosar, Brooks, Biggs, Jordan and possibly a few others (MTG, Gohmert) are guilty of planning and assisting in the insurrection. And that’s just House members, doesn’t include Republicans in the Senate or the White House.

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Hopefully, they’ll put much focus on iDJT’s “pre-show,” instructing the insurrection…show footage of ALL the rebugniQans who attended/spoke!

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Also, what if they answer “executive privilege” to all answers?

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You would think that McCarthy would be happy to purge Congress of the Trump world view, and embrace an investigation, instead of clinging tighter.

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McCarthy’s problem is that purging the Trump worldview means losing some Trump voters. Which also means losing some House seats in 2022. In having to choose between investigating sedition, and winning a few more seats in the House, McCarthy opts for pretending Jan 6th never happened.

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Thank you Heather.

I must admit, this 62 year old woman is relishing the fact that a certain 81 year old woman has used the same set of rules to scurry McCarthy at his own game. She called his bluff and I love it.

Second only to the outright ass kicking of McCarthy by Liz Cheney yesterday. Good for her. I'm waiting for McCarthy to have a presser where he walks up to the mic and says "Nancy and Liz are big meanies and won't leave me alone" . Then he would proceed to throw the mic on the floor and run away. Unfortunately, I don't think we are all that far from a moment like that.

The expression, what's good for the goose is good for the gander comes to mind.🤔

If I may indulge, could you folks send good thoughts to my friend Kathy Kolmer. She is in the COVID unit fighting the current variant. Had she not been fully vaccinated, this note from me would have a different tone. Please wear your masks and be viligent. This pandemic is far from over.

Be safe, be well.

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Sending positive energy to Kathy, and to you for looking out for her. I have vaxxed friends who have come down with Covid and it sent me back to strict protocols.

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We are in deep doo-doo here in Florida. Here is an editorial from the Miami Herald (published in the TBT today): https://tampabaytimes-fl.newsmemory.com/?publink=1b0992f95_1345e46

And here's one from the Orlando Sentinal: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/editorials/os-op-desantis-missing-covid-cases-grow-20210720-doecownog5bg3nxwrregtqfs5y-story.html

Of course, the Tampa Bay Times is too wimpy to publish their own criticism!

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Yes, bury the data, abolish transparency and declare victory. This is how authoritarians rule.

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You're correct-the Orlando Sentinel nailed him.

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Good thoughts sent to Kathy. I have never stopped my own self quarantine and when I do venture out (rarely) it is always with a mask. Nevertheless, whatever I have become "down and out" from over the past week is very concerning. Will know more tomorrow, I hope.

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Ellen, Please keep in touch. If it is possible, post me directly in addition to a general comment, which I could miss as I scroll through the forum. Given the pandemic and other individual issues, fear can inflate a concern. I hope that your discomfort will pass with some help, if necessary. Thank you for sharing your news with us. You have a great number of supporters here. Salud.

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Thank you. I have a couple of appointments to get through before I know more. In the meantime, I sleep a lot. That's why I've not been as active here during the past few days!

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Fern, this is what I found just posted on the internet today: https://www.sfgate.com/opinion/voices/article/Rise-in-respiratory-syncytial-virus-initiates-16334625.php

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Ellen, Great job. I hope that you don't mind that I am copying some of this Opinion and posting on today's Forum. You will be credited. This information it too important to leave in yesterday's 'mail'. Thank you!

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Feel free! It was all new to me and I believe it is just one more of those Covid outcomes that we must anticipate in the months ahead. Best to be safe than sorry!

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Nancy is the quintessential bomb!!!!

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So sorry for Kathy's plight, and thanks for raising it. It's one more reminder that our masks, and avoiding crowds, remain in our best interest.

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And hopefully, more of us will continue to do so - for at least the rest of this year and?

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Given that the virus will continue to mutate as long as there are bodies for it to do that in I’m a bit pessimistic about us getting above it anytime soon. 🙁

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Just got back from grocery store - strangely - MORE people with masks today. Could it be that there are more of us with common sense?

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I too have started to notice a lot more masks in the grocery store. I have friends vacationing on the Cape in Truro (where there is a big increase in positive cases). They (fully vaccinated) are now wearing masks inside everywhere and are going to be tested after they come home.

I fear we’re going backwards and it lies squarely on those who refuse to be vaccinated. Since we have no way of knowing who the spreaders are….I’m taking the extra precaution of mask wearing inside and fingers crossed that events are not postponed for another year!!

That trump and his cult followers politicized a public health situation that caused the death of more than 620,000 Americans should be all the evidence needed to indict these vile people on charges of murder.

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I'm really not concerned with any events being postponed at this point. Frankly, that would be better than more super spreaders which seem to happen every time we "open up" or theres a holiday! I read that one of the Repub Southern governors has finally spoken out & agreed that the non-vacced are responsible for the latest surge in cases. Wow - after a year and a half & 620,000 deaths?

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I've noticed that this week too, and I've been wondeirng if people are getting concerned again or if those wearing masks are mainly the unvaxed doing their due diligence. We have very low cases here at the moment but I'm keeping a close on it and may well go back to masking in the grocery store, etc. I barely got used to not masking in public as I still have to wear one all day at work.

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We are getting concerned again. Fully vaxxed but unwilling to kiss Delta “hello”, whenever it comes to our neighborhood.

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I havent stopped wearing a mask whether at the grocery store, library or any other place I go. I think there are very low cases here too - but I'm betting more masks mean people are seeing the news & becoming nervous again.

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News is full of delta variant infections despite vaccination and interviews re whether to mask or not.

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Yeah I know - just surprised thats all.

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Yeah - more mutations - more transmittable & still people with NO masks.

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Pessimistic is an understatement, I’m super upset about these unvaccinated “breeders,” and beyond cynical many will relent before covid kills them.

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I never stopped masking. And I won’t stop until I feel I need to. I’m not listening to the CDC or the Biden administration about any of this.

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I live next door to Missouri, the delta variant cesspool of the unvaccinated. I’ve gone back to masking and sanitizing when out in public.

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There was a good interview with Surgeon General Murthy on NPR this morning. He certainly indicated that it was not a silly decision to wear masks in crowded indoor places even if you're vaccinated.

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Holding Kathy in the light of healing. I am looking for a local spike here in Lane County in 10 days, since our county fair opened up; a friend who attended estimated 1% mask use (true, it is outside...).

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Just happened here, Ally, a week after our annual Cherry Festival. And the Delta variant has arrived up north. I am switching back to my N95 even though fully vaccinated.

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Oh my, that is sad. Blessings, well-being, and care are being sent your way.

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Holding Kathy in the light. Thanks for this important reminder, we’re not out of the woods yet, vaccinated or not.

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Heart with you, work Kathy, and all those fighting for their lives.

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With.

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I hope she will be ok, sending positive healing thoughts. I've been really frustrated with the lack of infomation reguarding the Delta Variant and break through cases of those fully vaccinated. As my son with a disability is vaccinated I have chosen to not send him back to work in his restaurant as he is indoors with mask-less people. His father does not share my concerns which is why he stayed me during the entire pandemic. I found this thread on twitter and hoping they can sway the CDC's decision to start tracking and go back to supporting masks.https://twitter.com/dianaberrent/status/1416809661634908161?s=20

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regarding*

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Healing thoughts to Kathy Kolmer. Thank you Linda for sharing informative details about Kathy's situation with us.

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Sending a virtual hug to you both and hoping your friend has a speedy recovery!

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🙏

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🙏🏻🙏🏻

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💕🙏🏼🙏🏼❤️

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Sending Kathy healing thoughts.

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Adults in the room? The only adults in the room? Are Democrats? Yes. Quite.

But it’s worse. I’ve lived in a mental institution. I was ten when I was committed. I’ve dealt with the psychotic and crippled lying neurotic 24/7. For 6.5 years.

Friends, recognize what we have in Trump, Jordan. McCarthy, McConnell and today’s Republicans. We have psychotics. We have crippled neurotics. We have lying fascists akin to Mussolini and Hitler. We have Lincoln haters. FDR haters. We have a party controlled by Arab wealth - on the take, now charged by a grand jury. See the latest Trump fascist jailed.

The grownup emotionally sound adults left the room years ago. George C. Wallace rides again.

It’s Racism’s Rules. We hate Blacks. November 3rd terrified white supremacist Republicans. January 6th brought out Trump racists.

Joe Knows Us rallied the sane.

Trump owns the GOP. It’s Roy Cohn’s rules, Fred Trump’s rules, Mussolini and Hitler and our most prejudiced rule.

Prejudiced GOP white supremacist Whites rule the GOP. Yes. Face it. Oppose this or we go down.

We cannot shadow box with Hitler’s Ghost. We cannot deal with the Cuvil War slave owner mentality.

We are looking at Civil War II, Mr. President. Can you not see this?

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"...shadow box with Hitler's Ghost." Powerfully, true, Sandy. Morning!!

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Morning Lynell!

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I love your comment Sandy, up to your last line. Mr. President does see clearly, as he and Speaker Pelosi and others keep the curtain drawn open for all to see the heretic bluster of our dark past. Americans and the world do see very clearly the march into the past of a last grasp of modern conservativism, borne from the Birchers and the Klan up to trump and the alt-right. As the statues of the treasonous fall, let’s honor those in 2020 who found their voice, and their power, “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends towards justice.” I will not succumb to worry, but will rise to remain vigilant. Don’t be consumed with worry, but rise to remain vigilant.

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To Frederick, Jack Lippman (FL, NY, NJ) Diane Love, St. Petersburg FL, sadly, the war has placed millions in jail - for their color - and our president is 78, wrestling with America’s latest fascists, whites from coast to coast, led by the most successful, and by their actions may be indicted for indifference in conflict of interest. Racism pays off if you control… even C-19 pays off, as monetization rules, interest rates fall, spreads profit, and Joe Six Pak is crushed… the parties are in a sickening schizoid rain dance with the truth.. and no president will share what is known…. I will alter this view if Trump is prosecuted and jailed, setting a precedent. Nixon got a pass, John N. Mitchell was jailed, Haldeman was jailed… 74 were charged, but Nixon and Agnew walked… Trump and Pence and their team of Jeffrey Epstein enablers and collaborators must do time… Giuliani must follow his father the Sing Sing… and die there. We must cleanse Wall Street, starting with Goldman, Sachs… the SEC and SDNY… we must return to general partnership liability at the NYSE - and return banks to banking… and broker dealers to brokering… slam the hedge funds and out Buffett and Munger to the point where they disgorge… follow the money, and empower Garland Merrick to the nth degree… now. The Speaker must be supported by her party, the 6th must become a 9-11 hearing akin to Germany post WW II… we must attack liars with truth and clean up this mess. There can be no pause, no compromise, no tears…

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Love this ❤️❤️ Sounds like a perfect plan. Let’s work to get it done. Trying to think outside the box. What have we not tried?

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Tragically true Sandy. We are at war and it feels like we’re being flanked. Attacks are coming from all quarters and there’s nowhere to hide.

Democrats must step out of their comfort zone and fight for our country. Bipartisanship has become a weapon used against us.

Reform the filibuster and start legislating.

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We are at war.

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Right. Its just being conducted legally.

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Not sure I agree it is all "legal"...look at Trump...

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I hit the Push button accidentally. Your comment is jarringly at odds with the last paragraph of Heather’s post, the optimism of which left me a little uneasy. And I think that love of Congress may be Biden’s weak spot. It’s both understandable for his decades of service to it, and magnificent in how structurally wedded he is to the Constitution and the particular form of American government.

But I really fear it is not suitable for these times which are so turbulent, so cynical, so wedded to the breaking of things, so atomized.

It is distressing because many of us revere the deep humanity and humility in Biden and believe he is extraordinary in many ways.

What is needed now is ruthless realpolitik, especially in regards to taking an uncompromising stand against the filibuster. He might not be successful ultimately, but he could leave a lot of bruises on Manchin and Sinema.

Maybe the “summer of direct action” will pave the way forward. The movement is beginning to capture attention.

It wouldn’t be the first time that huge change came from the bottom up.

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I think Biden has a pit bull inside that will come out when the time demands it — when it has been made clear that the repubs will not play fair, will not play all. When their cruelty, hypocrisy, and lies are clear to those who haven't wanted to see those. He has to time it right in order to get the most possible citizens on his/our side.

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You speak to me. Thank you, Kim.

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He better not prove me wrong!!! :)

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That sounds like gumption to me!

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Fingers crossed. Time is beginning to be an enemy. I hope you’re right.

But it should now be clear to the meanest intellect that the Republicans behave treacherously as a matter of form. Maybe Joe is still subconsciously thinking of ‘80s Republicans.

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I agree, he has to keep a level head and maintain his priorities. Otherwise he will be jumping and barking like TFG at every little thing.

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How could Biden leave a lot of bruises on Manchin and Sinema given the voters' positions in their states?

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A very pointed question. Here I may be unsteady on data. Are the voters in those two states not in favor of ending/modifying the filibuster? I thought I had seen that. If so, then some robust exposure by Biden & Co. would surely not endear them to either party and jeopardize their standing.

It feels like a game of chicken. But if I was president and really anxious to stop the tsunami of ugly state legislation diminishing the vote, then i would want the filibuster gone or modified. I would prize that legislation above all and would make it clear privately to my “friends” Joe and Kirsten that I would go to the mat with them. Whatever leverage I could muster, in conjunction with Schumer, I would be prepared to use without feeling an ounce of guilt. What they are doing is the height of naïveté, a cynical play for attention, a payback to campaign funders, or some combination.

This is a heist, pure and simple.

How the tag team of Trump and McConnell handle such a situation?

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They are Red states and that is very much part of the difficult equation that both Manchin, Sinema and other democrats must work through. I don't know how many democrats are involved but the number is more than two. You underestimate Biden, Ron Klain, Chief of Staff, Jim Clyburn and others. Biden is not going to reveal his hand, and I would not assume that he doesn't a number of well thought out options.

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It’s powerful to still retain faith when the situation is still in flux. I appreciate positive thinking and don’t regard it as wishful.

However my perspective has sharply changed in the last 6 months. At the inauguration and for some time after I felt and wrote that the Democrats were in an enviable position. So much has happened to push me away from that estimate.

The thing that falls me is that the Democrats, in fact, do not control the Senate in any way that does not involve the use of Reconciliation. This is a maddening defect in American government.

As for red states, I understand that action against the filibuster is strong there. It is hard to draw any conclusion that money is not motivating Manchin. I haven’t a shred of sympathy for him.

I think I’m clear-eyed about Biden. He’s excellent, a wonderful man and sage politician. But we all have biases and he leans to the Senate as he wishes it would be.

Klain and Clyburn are both excellent. Maybe…maybe Clyburn can push Manchin.

But I am more intrigued frankly by the possibility of a “summer of direct action”. This may mushroom into a giant force in a best case scenario. It arises precisely because these people see new restrictive laws being passed while Biden, Manchin, Clyburn struggle to get 60 votes. Or 55. Those people do not have the faith you do.

Nor do I.

I have no animus either. It’s a tough situation. Biden and his Administration work very hard. Pelosi manages the House well. But they can’t pull rabbits out of a hat.

The Republicans have worse and worse cards to play as Trump deteriorates. And they are playing them with infuriating, cynical consistency.

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From my readings Eric, your feelings appear strong, turning hot and cold about the USA, sometimes, perhaps, overpowering. You pour them over America's current power struggle, evoke dramatic scenes and put yourself in the president's shoes. I have read brief snatches of major players, personal weaknesses and capabilities, the uses of power, and the battle between good and evil as they play out in your mind. An enthusiastic writer, former history teacher and frequent visitor from neighboring Canada our complicated, conflicted and consequential country attracts your penchant for interpretation. I wonder what Arthur Miller (Death of a Salesman) would write of this time. What country now has more stories to tell? Might Obama, at some point, write about America's deep chasm? Your interest in our country and passion for it, Eric, are truly appreciated.

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And so, what do you propose?

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This is a splendid, far-ranging comment. Eyes wide open. Well done, Sandy.

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The way our military is organized today precludes Civil War II being fought by armies, but places the battles within the struggle for minds, where the strategies consist of opposing ideas and philosophies and the tactics are words spread through media, which avoids bloodshed but can acheive similar results.

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Given what we saw on January 6th, I’m not sure we will avoid bloodshed. It may not be a clash between two military forces, since our division doesn’t follow state lines this time, but the rise of the far-right militias does not bode well for a non-violent future.

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Although the January 6 insurrection revealed their true colors, over the years through Buckey, Goldwater and Reagan, they have won many battles without violence or bloodshed. Actually, their January 6 divergence from such less noticeable but more dangerous subversion of democracy may have weakened their cause by waking up America.

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But remember, Putin and even darker sources have armed insurgents within our country via the NRA. I'm with Danielle: I am not so sure we will avoid bloodshed. I'll go ask my Proud Boy neighbor, he'll know.

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And then come back and tell us......

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Those previous iterations were within a more “civilized” society. Today’s society is more focused on immediate gratification and “me first” instead of consideration for the common good. This is evidenced by the refusal to wear masks or get vaccinated, road rage, mass shootings and even brawls on airplanes. The other factor is the fracturing of news sources. Where we all listened to Walter Cronkite during the days of Nixon and Reagan, the far-right and their militias are constantly being whipped into a frenzy by Fox, OAN, QAnon, etc. This level of self interested frenzy is likely to erupt in bloodshed.

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You know, I admit that I am reluctant to bet against an Italian grandmother. Pelosi has spent her life keeping children in line. The only thing I have saved from the mountain of promotional crap with which I was deluged last year by the Dems is a photo of her wagging her finger at Trump--surrounded by all the white men in suits. It inspires me. What the Trumpistas and Repugnicans seem not to understand (and this is something I have experienced in my own career) is that there are just some women who are impervious to bullying. But they keep thinking they can do it.

Underestimating Pelosi has been dangerous in the past. I suspect that she is planning a last hurrah sometime in the fairly near future (she is 80 after all), so she has work to do. I also think that the Dems have FINALLY hit on the right tone: make fun of the f****ers by calling them whining babies.

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Linda, I have a coffee mug with that iconic image of Nancy of the wagging finger. It is my go-to when feeling discouraged. Reminds me of another strong Italian woman of political character--Catherine of Siena, wagging her finger at the Pope in Avignon, telling him to get his act together and get back to Rome!!!

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I would love to have a coffee mug with that photo! And wouldn't that be a great fundraising tool now? I'd buy a dozen!! And speaking of Italian grandmothers, I proudly remember my mom's feistiness and have tried to emulate her as well.

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Yes, I have a "Such a Nasty Woman" mug, but Nancy's wagging finger (or image of her ripping TFG's SOTU address) would be even better.

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I too was revisiting Pelosi’s SOTU demolition…grinning a little too big! 😉💙

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Made me grin, too, much too big! And the picture of her standing behind him, applauding sarcastically - great. As some female said, he is schooled daily by a woman! (paraphrasing here). No wonder he hates her so.

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And most men (sorry guys) don’t like strong women.

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And St. Catherine's finger (and head) are on display in Siena's Basilica of San Dominico - macabre, but appropriate - a reminder that women should not be diminished, especially strong women!

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Hi Nancy, yes! I used to be repulsed by the penchant to display body parts of saints for spiritual reflection....but in this age of DNA I have a new take on it all. Something of Catherine remains, contributing to the energy of the universe!

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Well, the purpose was also to attract worshipers and their donations, but I agree that Catherine's presence is energizing.

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She is absolutely one of my heroes.

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I remember reading an interview with some of her kids who recalled her as their primary disciplinarian, and one who did not shirk from harsher penalties if needed. Pity she's constrained from using such penalties now.

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She has amazed me for the last 5 years!

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Yes, and earlier. She was pivotal in passing ACA.

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Since yesterday, I've been really angered by the "liberal" media for its criticism of Nancy Pelosi for her stand. She proved her fairness by rejecting only two of McCarthy's malicious candidates, even taking Nehls, who voted to overturn the election results. We expect Fox, et al to trash her, but how many times must she outsmart these thugs to have her expertise recognized? And they're completely ignoring Cheney by harping that the investigators aren't bipartisan.

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Nancy, I am glad I haven't read or heard such poor and deceptive coverage. Nancy Pelosi is speaking now. I group her with Eleanor Roosevelt, Shirley Chisholm, Mary Ware Dennett, Dorothea Dix, Frances Perkins and other great women that have lighted our path.

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I wish I'd taken notes on which networks were casting shade on her decision, but considering what we've had to deal with these last five years, it's difficult to hear liberal networks second-guessing Pelosi, Biden or Harris. They've all been wielding mops and buckets to clean up the refuse.

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And, of course, Fox continues to spew this garbage. At least they are getting flack from Rick Wilson and the Lincoln Project! Some of the tweets underneath are terrific. https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1418212611997544448

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Ms. Nancy is putting the FUN back in dysfunctional.

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I am looking forward to the Select Committee doing its work. If there is a single person they interrogate who can respond with the grace and competence that Hillary Clinton demonstrated in her 13 hour grilling by the Benghazi Committee, it will be a small miracle.

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And, she demonstrated her grace and competence while recovering from a concussion.

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I'm dismayed that more is not being made of the Republican opposition to funding the IRS investigative arm. The R's have been starving that office for years and it is emblematic of their approach to governance that they will take such steps in order to protect large scale tax evaders.

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Well, said tax evaders are, if not Republican congresscritters themselves, friends of same.

To be honest, I love the IRS. All they want is to do their jobs and collect the money, and they give taxpayers all manner of generous options for paying what they owe. It only gets hairy when you ignore them, on purpose. Mind you, I don’t love them as much as the Post Office and Social Security, but still…… 😉

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Well, we need to remove Louis DeJoy as Postmaster General in order to restore USPS's luster. The Board was "repopulated" by Biden, so I don't understand what the holdup is now.

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This! My involvement with the dysfunctional IRS this year has been very disturbing. They really need some attention!

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Kim. I totally agree with you. They don't answer their phone and their local offices are closed still. We received a "refund" check from 2017 which we do not deserve.. (Long story that I won't get into here). We have not cashed it because I am sure they will want it back some day with interest. But there is no way to contact them to get this resolved. If anyone has any ideas, please let me know.

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Interesting. My husband and I own a small business. I got a notice that I had underpaid the withholding taxes, and trusting the IRS (Ok, go ahead and laugh) I sent them what they said I owed. Three months later I got a notice saying that I had overpaid the taxes for the same amount and a refund check. I handed it all over to our accountant, and now we wait...

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Oh that is awful! I assume you would still have to pay the interest even if you didn't cash it? What a mess. I'm so sorry.

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Each morning I gain a bit more knowledge and awareness by reading everyone’s comments and replies. There are so many intelligent and informed followers of HCR’s letters who have so much to add. Thank you.

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Same here. Since the downfall of my local paper (sold a few years back to Gatehouse, so what I have now is USAToday local. 3-4 local stories and the rest is AP wire stuff.

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I can hardly wait for Mitch to go on trial. For anything.

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I wish! I think he’s too smart to do anything illegal. He is nefarious!

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Is is possible that he may have some questions to answer about funding assistance to home state from foreign entities? Say, in the shipping business?

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DOJ chose not to pursue Elaine Chao, so I doubt that chapter can be revisited - sigh.

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Saw recent news that it was DOJ under #45 that made that decision. Wonder if Garland’s DOJ can re-examine.

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Yes, I should have added the "Under #45" part. I'd be willing to have Garland let that one go, if he is proactive about voting rights. THEN he can chase Chao.

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Dang. Was that Barr? Or Garland?

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Barr, the "lawyer's lawyer."

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Ironic, yes? I'd say the "President's" "lawyer".

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I thinks he's arrogant enough to do something illegal. AND to avoid prosecution, I think he and his wife could be out of the United States and we'll hidden in the blink of an eye.

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It might be a good idea to catch him on some trchnkcality and confine him u til his turn before the judges comes up.

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Well not we'll

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It is astounding what all he gets away with saying. Honestly he is even with Trump and family on who I would like to see justice served!

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If you believe the Republicans about their Jan 6 claims then you must also believe it was Poland that started WW II in Europe when they "invaded" Germany in 1939. That was just one of the many lies promulgated by the Nazis. The "Big Lie" that Trump won the election and it was a "peaceful" protest by his supporters on Jan 6 are just two of the many lies that are now the bedrock of the GOP. Trump and his party have as much use for the truth as a feral cat has for a marriage license.

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Thank you Lawrence for my morning laugh. That image will stick!

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One has to wonder if Liz Cheney's break with the House GOP leadership and her comments today about the minority leader has any precedent in the modern era. It is rather enjoyable to see the Republicans trigger a trap they set for themselves. And now they appear cornered. What will they do out of desperation?

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It has precedent in that she speaks clearly about dangerous politics and the toll on this nation’s people. At risk to her political self. Or, perhaps, gain. But she is the kind of politician that is needed in this moment and opens a way for other Republicans to speak with her.

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Eventually, if the Reps are to survive, they will have to change their MO. Liz will be at the top of the list for her stand. I could never buy her views on the issues espoused by conservatives, but at least she'd be a better brand of foe.

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Morning, Christine!!

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Morning Lynell. Up with the birdies today.

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Did Wylie Coyote just saw off the branch he was standing on?

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If I were them I might be inwardly trembling—I don’t think this goes anywhere happy for them.

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That would require that they have more self-awareness than a rock - which they don't.

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Let's not insult rocks here! Rocks are made up of natural particles. The Reps are just plastic clones.

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It's the "hard place" that needs to be focused on🤣

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Absolutely....morning Lynell.

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I was thinking of a substance that would be more, oh, more biodegradable. You know, the stuff I put on my garden that I get from the horse barn.

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Horse *!%t is actually a useful thing that helps your garden, so how about cat pee?

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Almost every time I read a comment or reply of yours, I leave with a laugh!

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(Insert smiley face here) That's because I was blessed with a double snark gene and discovered Mel Brooks and Monty Python in my formative years. My humble thanks. Any day I can make someone smile is a good day.

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(Ed McMahon voice): You are correct, sir!

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Hear it. Hahahahahaha

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…from Rock and Waterscape in Orange County, California.

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Correct. They will ramp up the bullsh*t though methinks many “we the people” will be leaving theirs and the former’s sponsored dance.

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hahahahaha - I'd increase that to a box of rocks!

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More work for Georgia's chain gangs!

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Or little piles of cement

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I think we will be learning of yet another visit to Mar-a-largo ny theSenate Minority leader.

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The best thing for them to do is leave town….except there’s no place safe anymore.

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UAE comes to mind

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Except they got what they wanted already and perhaps there is no incentive for them to host a demanding and unpleasant psychopath?

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A terrifying thought: Will the no-longer-in-power-former-guy marshall all his "friends" (UAE, ARABS, RUSSIANS) to use their new $billions in arm sales to take back our government for him and his magates? Just woke from a nap, a bad dream...

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A thought i continually repress.

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Nightmare!

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There was one Republican adult in the room -- Rep. Liz Cheney. What we need now is a first follower -- another Republican ready to join Rep. Cheney. And, then perhaps a movement of Republicans could start if McConnell and McCarthy have lost control of their caucuses. Here is a 3 min. video on leadership and the first follower that is a favorite of mine. There is no movement without followers. Enjoy! https://sive.rs/ff

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I liked what Eric Swallwell said about her tonight (since it's exactly my thought on the topic): "I disagree with everything Liz Cheney believes in policy-wise, but that's an argument we can have after we stand together to save the republic." She really is an old-fashioned Republican - a conservative idiot to her marrow, but someone you never have any doubts about regarding their love of the country.

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Love of country? I can't believe I have a more cynical view than TC!

IMHO Liz Cheney and her familial advisors see a path of opportunity, the high road, on which no one else is marching so boldly. It's a long term play, counting on the demise of the trumpists/insurrectionists. Big gamble = possibly a big payoff.

And while she is risking her political future, even if she loses her bet on recouping the Republican Party, she will have plenty of options from having distinguished herself, like of course write a book, give speeches, work for a think tank, and otherwise monetize her laurels.

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Ellie, I am as cynical as you, but the weird thing about Cheney is I think she does have more integrity than her father--and is less of a sociopath. But I do want to point out that her fundraising efforts this year have been boffo. https://apnews.com/article/government-and-politics-house-elections-liz-cheney-38de77fabc9ca0466236e7fff41e6c3e

Given that Wyoming has, figuratively, (I am using a reference to the Shetland Islands here) "more sheep than people" one wonders why she finds it necessary to raise so damn much money.

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It is difficult to compare Liz with her father as we don't know if she could be as connected to the fossil fuel business as her father.

'The former House Republican Conference chair Cheney told reporters at a defense industry conference that she and Republicans would resist including funding for climate change projects in the Department of Defense (DoD) budget because what matters is “the lethality of the force.”

'Saying DoD should not invest in climate change is like saying DoD should not invest in computers.'

' In her roles on both the House Natural Resources Committee and Armed Services Committee, Cheney could make a tremendous contribution to national security if she advocated for cost-effective climate resilience tools that make U.S. bases, as well as geopolitical hot spots around the world, more resilient.'

'Cheney has spent her career being a strong advocate for national security. Climate change impacts are threatening our military installations and surrounding communities. Food and water insecurity in the most climate-vulnerable areas of the world are known, acute security risks. Investing in climate resilience is cost-effective, it will increase military readiness of U.S. military installations, and increase stability in critical parts of the world that potentially threaten our security. There can be nothing more central to DoD’s mission than that'. (The Hill)

'LCV BUILDS POLITICAL POWER FOR PEOPLE AND THE PLANET.'

We influence policy, hold politicians accountable, and win elections. This is how we fight to build a world with clean air, clean water, public lands, and a safe climate that are protected by a just and equitable democracy.'

'Over the last 50 years, LCV has grown into a potent political force for protecting our planet and everyone who inhabits it. We have built a powerful national movement with more than 2 million members, 30 state affiliates, and grassroots and community organizing programs across the country.'(

League of Conservation Voters)

League of Conservation Voters Scorecard

Liz CheneyWyoming, National Environmental Scorecard

2020 Score Lifetime Score

5% 2%

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Superb, Fern. And I don't trust Liz as far as I can spit. Pelosi, though, can handle her.

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You know the contest we're going have. As a target we can erect a cutout of her. Won't it be fun?

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Stellar, Fern.

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Whew! Thank you. For clarity, Cheney got 5% for her Environmental positions in 2020 and a 2% Lifetime Score from the League of Conservation Voters.

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Save it up for presidential run in 2024. That’s prob her long game.

I’m very glad she is standing with the Dems right now. Focus first on negating McCarthy and his band of idiots.

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Very good question, Linda - I wonder?

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Or, the truth is, if we descend into the chaos of a government coup by violence and propaganda, there will be no United States of America. Perhaps Cheney, despite her extremely conservative (and in my mind-destructive views) understands, that a lawless country has no future on the world stage. We’ve been a democracy too long to become Russia or China overnight. The rest of us will not just roll over for these Fascists

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Why not examine Germany's steps toward Fascism as a course of study?

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As a fireside chat podcast from our commander in chief?

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Those of us interested in where we are with reference to democracy and comparing our descent to that of countries', such as Germany, was the point I was making in reply to Christy.

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Huh? Sorry Fern, but I’m not getting your point.

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Christy is your reply to Ellie, you mentioned 'chaos' , 'lawless country' and pointed to 'Russia' and 'China' as countries you suggested we were unlikely to imitate. I was indicating that Germany's steps toward Fascism were worth study in that light --attacks on systems and groups of people. Threats to the free press; drastic reductions in the voting rights to particular groups... there are many aspects of the former president's and the Republican Party's grievance propaganda, attacks on the free press, facts, CT in education...in many respects their challenges to Democracy are reminiscent of fascism in Germany.

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The apple did not fall far from Dick's tree. I don't trust her as far as I can spit, and I bet Pelosi doesn't either.

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I've always liked your style.

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Speaking truth to some with short term memories or a short historical string. Thank you, Ellie. Cheney has been invaluable for the moment.

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Yep, she is playing a 10-year game. Look carefully at who her younger proteges are. folks connected to her that are in their 30's.

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If she gets rewarded for helping us save our democracy, uncover what happened, and live to fight another day, I am fine with that. Very fine!

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Fred WI2 min ago repeat from above...

I too can't help but imagine there is a strategy in Liz'a purse (and Manchin's back pocket) involving the pugnacious Senator who stood up to all the forces (including fights yet to take place in the Special committee) and fought for principle over party and we can all probably see how that might be attractive to Americans who love the underdog, the great Western individualist. A script (strategy) taken right out of a Ford or Eastwood movie from the 50s. Very attractive to White America and the 40% who like to think of themselves as Independent, you think?

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Woohoo TC. Here’s my fave about your comment…”since it’s exactly my thought on the topic”. 😂😂😂😂

I’m following g TC!

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I heard Swallwell’s words. They were spot on. It’s an option to choose the most important battle right now.

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Surely he said ideologue rather than idiot? LOL

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