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Here is a deconstruction of an NORC poll. dailykos.com/stories/20…
We see what they are. Also, I would like to know how they got their sampling. This is not door to door knocking, but people responding on line or over the phone. No one I know would respond to such a poll. So, that leaves the people who would. Those have been characterized…
Here is a deconstruction of an NORC poll. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/7/17/2255111/-So-Two-Thirds-of-us-want-Biden-to-drop-out-Huh?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web
We see what they are. Also, I would like to know how they got their sampling. This is not door to door knocking, but people responding on line or over the phone. No one I know would respond to such a poll. So, that leaves the people who would. Those have been characterized as not necessarily voting, but liking to be heard. So, Jay Kuo talks about the difference between results in polls of people who actually and are likely to vote, versus polls that includes people who are not voting, or likely to vote, and the former are more favorable to Biden.
Linda-Thanks for this link that breaks down how bogus polls are being used to create the narrative that an overwhelming number of Dems want Biden to step down. Lies, lies and more lies. Only the truth will set us free.
Hurts so bad, hurts so much, Linda -- that Dems so paralyze themselves.
If they loved America, they'd be full of the literacy to cite Americans, to quote each other, to enthuse over the decency and human needs in their various communities.
But no humanities, no humanity sustains them. Only wonk numbers. Polls. Stats in no human context.
As I've said before, I've seen this crippling dehumanization before, when I was Nam translator in the U.S. Army, when all its Ivy League elites then, too, moved to idiot abstractions, even more idiot trust in numbers (pipeline supplies), as Dems today similarly slave only to poll numbers for helpless, victim-paralysis.
Phil, I am not paralyzed, just angry that the naysayers in the Democratic party have joined people like Joe Manchin and Sinema as tanking the party. I think these people should quickly form an independent third party and run their own candidate. Maybe they can back Kennedy. Obama is in the Et tu Brutus category as far as I am concerned. I will boycott his center, once the monstrosity is finished being built in my neighborhood where we protested losing trees to build this thing that is not going to enrich the neighborhood, but rewards a lot of his faithful fundraisers and supporters who still live here, while he does not. He just has a house here. We should be focused on defeating Trump, the Supreme Court justices who are unjust and Putin. They are just so much noise and distraction from that.
Ideas help us to navigate a complicated world, but we kill the goose that lays the golden eggs when we clutch at it too tightly. Even errors can be progress when we let them go. Confusing the constructs of our mind with realities leads to delusional thinking and/or sociopathy. Sometimes numbers are life-saving, but used carelessly, never mind dishonestly, they can more easily mislead. What does an SAT score tell about a unique human's skills and capacities? Much less their character? Not much frankly, and I can give examples. How did we arrive at a population where so many identify with Trump?
RIGHT ON Linda! The inconsistency between what we hear as results of polls not matching what we know from our own experience seems a corollary of the fundamental paradox of believers in tRump's lies about the state of the world despite their own lived experience. They succumb to the "kayfabe" Heather has described in today's LFAA! Frankly it is simply UNBELIEVABLE that more than 50% of any accurately conducted poll would prefer a return of tRump to office. Period.
Yes JohnM. I totally agree with you. Apparently Biden sent people knocking on doors and from 100,000 respondents in fact to face polling 76% support Biden. That is believeable to me because people do not want what Trump is offering. -----
I am wondering whether naysayers got scared when they found themselves on Trump's enemies "HIT" list, and started going bonkers. If one knows that Hitler had a tea party with his cabinet members and their families invited to his home while he sent out a squad to kill the 400 people on his hit list, including friends. We are almost 100 years later and Trump is still worshipping this fascist. It is obvious that as he gets chances to speak, and as Project 2025 gets known it will tank the Trump campaign.
It could happen, and with our semi-antidemocratic system, Trump won once, even without $COTUS' foot directly on the scales. But I think a lot of effort needs to go into highlighting what matters here.
god bless you