Cathy, the one edit in my mind would be, 'All the INTENTED consequences...' Did the Justices, governors and legislators consult with women, doctors and refer to medical history when abortion was illegal before overturning abortion laws? Did they do that before passing whatever anti-abortion laws the state would allow? They are threate…
Cathy, the one edit in my mind would be, 'All the INTENTED consequences...' Did the Justices, governors and legislators consult with women, doctors and refer to medical history when abortion was illegal before overturning abortion laws? Did they do that before passing whatever anti-abortion laws the state would allow? They are threatening the health and lives of women and it's what they intend to do.
Yes, I almost wrote intended rather than unintended although I suspect they don't have enough of a brain between them to understand all the ramifications of what they have done/are doing. They see it as a triumph.
YES! And where are the indictments for Stephen Miller and that Keebler elf?? But hey, we can’t even get AR-15’s and pistols out of our children’s hands!
Get votes that is their intention. Manipulate the people's emotions, without concern for their wellbeing and then get their votes. How much more does this harm, minorities and poor women? That's okay -- who were those minorities going vote for?
They don't respect laws when they pass them either.......what was it that trump called soldiers going to war.....loosers and suckers. We are all soldiers now. The rules are for the others who are "fool enough" to respect them and assume that they were passed in good faith and with true intent.
They certainly consulted a few of men. When Simone Veil, then Minister of Health fought the 1974 parliamentary battle to obtain the right to abortion in France her opposition was a totally male membership of the National Assembly.
Hello and good morning, Stuart! It always takes a woman to do “a man’s job”. Simone made her point. We made ours in ‘73 only to see it trampled upon by white men in 2022. I, personally, would like to see women grab these guys by their scrotum and not let go. I guess all of us should grow our nails long, sharpen them up like spears, and get ready to do battle.
Marlene, We know that all white men are not the same. Justice Stephen G. Breyer voted to uphold Roe v. Wade and Justices Clarence Thomas and Amy Coney Barrett voted to overturn it.
The following excerpts from articles serve to provide an overview of the experiences and opinions of Black Americans concerning abortion.
‘A Gallup survey conducted between 2017 and 2020 found that 46 percent of Black Americans said that abortion was “morally acceptable” — up from 31 percent who said the same between 2001 and 2007; non-Black racial groups that Gallup surveyed reported a slight change in how they felt about abortion (41 percent from 2001 to 2007, to 43 percent from 2017 to 2020).
And another poll from the Pew Research Center published in May found that a greater share of Black adults (67 percent) than Hispanic and white adults (58 and 57 percent, respectively) thought abortion should be legal in all or most cases..
‘But abortion access in Black communities isn’t just tied to health outcomes; it’s often tied to things like the quality of schools in predominately Black areas, racial disparities in health care or even the criminal justice system. That February PerryUndem survey found, for example, that Black voters connected abortion rights and access to control over one’s body (72 percent), women’s rights (72 percent) and health care (67 percent). A plurality of Black respondents — 47 percent — tied abortion access to racial justice, more than any other demographic group surveyed. And, of course, underlying the debate regarding Roe is the question of what banning abortions means for Black children. Rallying cries for change such as “Black Lives Matter,” a motto and movement created to highlight the abuses that Black people face at the hands of police officers, confronts difficult questions about the safety of both Black people and the children they may be forced to conceive.’
“At its core, this issue for voters is about power and control over one’s own body. Given our nation’s history, I think Black voters across political ideology are more attuned than white people to threats to bodily autonomy,” Undem said. She added that her research has found that Black voters and people of color are more likely to see systemic factors affecting abortion access — because abortion access is about access to resources and opportunities to raise healthy children. As Undem told me, Black voters and people of color often see a lack of abortion access as “forcing people to have children, but not providing access to resources that are required, like affordable childcare.”
‘That Dobbs originates in Mississippi, the poorest state in the country, twists this fairy tale into a cruel joke. In Mississippi, nearly half of women-led households live in poverty, almost twice the national average; twelve per cent of women in the state lack health insurance, compared with eight per cent nationally. Barrett’s blithe suggestion that pregnant women simply “go fifteen, sixteen weeks more” ignores, among many burdens, that pregnant women in Mississippi die at higher rates than their peers in most states, including Louisiana and Georgia. And because this case is no longer just about Mississippi, it also ignores the fact that Black women are three to four times more at risk of dying in childbirth than white women.’
‘Abortion is a contentious issue in the African American community, especially since many religious Black Americans hold the same beliefs about fetal personhood as White evangelicals. But one group has consistently advocated for the importance of abortion rights for Black people: Black feminists. Why? Because they have long seen the right to abortion as part of broader racial and reproductive justice goals.’
‘Thirty-one states allowed forcible sterilization at some point during the 20th century. These policies often disproportionately affected people of color, especially Black people.’
‘In 1961, civil rights activist Fannie Lee Hamer was sterilized without her consent by a White doctor who was performing surgery to remove a uterine tumor. These forced sterilizations were so common at one time that they were dubbed “Mississippi appendectomies.”
‘Even in the 1980s and 1990s, birth control, often semi-permanent forms like implants or injections, became a condition to receive public assistance in many states.’
‘But despite this history of abuse, Black feminists still fiercely advocated for the right to abortion because they understood the importance of bodily autonomy, especially when it comes to reproduction.’
‘Why? Because abortion had long been a strategy of survival and resistance for Black women. Historians have revealed that abortion even enabled some semblance of self-determination during slavery. Enslaved women could thwart enslavers’ ability to use their children as chattel to generate profit with birth control and abortion.’
Hi Stuart. Good to see you. I've emailed a Liz & Bernie bundle. It will spark no fires of anticipation, although, I believe Bernie may wake up a few Democrats and hopefully a large number of slumbering voters.
Cathy, the one edit in my mind would be, 'All the INTENTED consequences...' Did the Justices, governors and legislators consult with women, doctors and refer to medical history when abortion was illegal before overturning abortion laws? Did they do that before passing whatever anti-abortion laws the state would allow? They are threatening the health and lives of women and it's what they intend to do.
Yes, I almost wrote intended rather than unintended although I suspect they don't have enough of a brain between them to understand all the ramifications of what they have done/are doing. They see it as a triumph.
Cathy, They have enough brain cells to care or not care -- and clearly, THEY DO NOT CARE.
I totally agree. The intention IS cruelty!
As with caging immigrant children, the cruelty is the point.
YES! And where are the indictments for Stephen Miller and that Keebler elf?? But hey, we can’t even get AR-15’s and pistols out of our children’s hands!
Get votes that is their intention. Manipulate the people's emotions, without concern for their wellbeing and then get their votes. How much more does this harm, minorities and poor women? That's okay -- who were those minorities going vote for?
They don't respect laws when they pass them either.......what was it that trump called soldiers going to war.....loosers and suckers. We are all soldiers now. The rules are for the others who are "fool enough" to respect them and assume that they were passed in good faith and with true intent.
It's the cruelty that is so distressing.
They certainly consulted a few of men. When Simone Veil, then Minister of Health fought the 1974 parliamentary battle to obtain the right to abortion in France her opposition was a totally male membership of the National Assembly.
Hello and good morning, Stuart! It always takes a woman to do “a man’s job”. Simone made her point. We made ours in ‘73 only to see it trampled upon by white men in 2022. I, personally, would like to see women grab these guys by their scrotum and not let go. I guess all of us should grow our nails long, sharpen them up like spears, and get ready to do battle.
Morning to you too, Marlene.
While universally "crossing their legs" ...and sayin NO until such a time as...
Absolutely!
Marlene, We know that all white men are not the same. Justice Stephen G. Breyer voted to uphold Roe v. Wade and Justices Clarence Thomas and Amy Coney Barrett voted to overturn it.
The following excerpts from articles serve to provide an overview of the experiences and opinions of Black Americans concerning abortion.
‘A Gallup survey conducted between 2017 and 2020 found that 46 percent of Black Americans said that abortion was “morally acceptable” — up from 31 percent who said the same between 2001 and 2007; non-Black racial groups that Gallup surveyed reported a slight change in how they felt about abortion (41 percent from 2001 to 2007, to 43 percent from 2017 to 2020).
And another poll from the Pew Research Center published in May found that a greater share of Black adults (67 percent) than Hispanic and white adults (58 and 57 percent, respectively) thought abortion should be legal in all or most cases..
‘But abortion access in Black communities isn’t just tied to health outcomes; it’s often tied to things like the quality of schools in predominately Black areas, racial disparities in health care or even the criminal justice system. That February PerryUndem survey found, for example, that Black voters connected abortion rights and access to control over one’s body (72 percent), women’s rights (72 percent) and health care (67 percent). A plurality of Black respondents — 47 percent — tied abortion access to racial justice, more than any other demographic group surveyed. And, of course, underlying the debate regarding Roe is the question of what banning abortions means for Black children. Rallying cries for change such as “Black Lives Matter,” a motto and movement created to highlight the abuses that Black people face at the hands of police officers, confronts difficult questions about the safety of both Black people and the children they may be forced to conceive.’
“At its core, this issue for voters is about power and control over one’s own body. Given our nation’s history, I think Black voters across political ideology are more attuned than white people to threats to bodily autonomy,” Undem said. She added that her research has found that Black voters and people of color are more likely to see systemic factors affecting abortion access — because abortion access is about access to resources and opportunities to raise healthy children. As Undem told me, Black voters and people of color often see a lack of abortion access as “forcing people to have children, but not providing access to resources that are required, like affordable childcare.”
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-abortion-is-a-civil-rights-issue-for-black-voters/
‘That Dobbs originates in Mississippi, the poorest state in the country, twists this fairy tale into a cruel joke. In Mississippi, nearly half of women-led households live in poverty, almost twice the national average; twelve per cent of women in the state lack health insurance, compared with eight per cent nationally. Barrett’s blithe suggestion that pregnant women simply “go fifteen, sixteen weeks more” ignores, among many burdens, that pregnant women in Mississippi die at higher rates than their peers in most states, including Louisiana and Georgia. And because this case is no longer just about Mississippi, it also ignores the fact that Black women are three to four times more at risk of dying in childbirth than white women.’
https://www.newyorker.com/news/essay/how-black-feminists-defined-abortion-rights
‘Abortion is a contentious issue in the African American community, especially since many religious Black Americans hold the same beliefs about fetal personhood as White evangelicals. But one group has consistently advocated for the importance of abortion rights for Black people: Black feminists. Why? Because they have long seen the right to abortion as part of broader racial and reproductive justice goals.’
‘Thirty-one states allowed forcible sterilization at some point during the 20th century. These policies often disproportionately affected people of color, especially Black people.’
‘In 1961, civil rights activist Fannie Lee Hamer was sterilized without her consent by a White doctor who was performing surgery to remove a uterine tumor. These forced sterilizations were so common at one time that they were dubbed “Mississippi appendectomies.”
‘Even in the 1980s and 1990s, birth control, often semi-permanent forms like implants or injections, became a condition to receive public assistance in many states.’
‘But despite this history of abuse, Black feminists still fiercely advocated for the right to abortion because they understood the importance of bodily autonomy, especially when it comes to reproduction.’
‘Why? Because abortion had long been a strategy of survival and resistance for Black women. Historians have revealed that abortion even enabled some semblance of self-determination during slavery. Enslaved women could thwart enslavers’ ability to use their children as chattel to generate profit with birth control and abortion.’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2022/06/29/despite-anti-abortion-campaigns-black-feminists-support-abortion-rights/
Hi Stuart. Good to see you. I've emailed a Liz & Bernie bundle. It will spark no fires of anticipation, although, I believe Bernie may wake up a few Democrats and hopefully a large number of slumbering voters.
Hope no longing springs eternal. Cheers!
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