Schmeeckle... What's your point? What's your goal? Never mind. I am not up for following your out of date arguments on oppositional links, fact checking, pointing to the cherry picking nor correcting your falsities. Now with thIs poison/lie: "Zelensky’s support rose tremendously after he precipitated the Russian invasion" I leave.
Schmeeckle... What's your point? What's your goal? Never mind. I am not up for following your out of date arguments on oppositional links, fact checking, pointing to the cherry picking nor correcting your falsities. Now with thIs poison/lie: "Zelensky’s support rose tremendously after he precipitated the Russian invasion" I leave.
Potter, you fail to recall the events leading up to the Russian invasion. Russia had given security guarantees to the breakaway Donbass republics. Zelensky was compelled, by both the nei-Nazis (who ruined his peace initiative) and the IMF (as a condition for the 2014 loan, which Zelensky publicly accepted) to reignite the war in the Donbass. Three days before the Russian invasion, Zelensky began his own pre-invasion bombardment along the line of contact, and he publicly mused about Ukraine re-acquiring nuclear weapons, presenting Russia with the thought of an endless "Cuban missile crisis" on its border.
Russia invaded as a survival imperative.
Now... go drink your Koolaid!
p.s. The American people have been thoroughly and completely beainwashed about what is going on in Ukraine. For an earlier example of news media brainwashing in support of imperialist war-mongering, recall the (later) proven fraud of Saddam Hussein and the Kuwaiti baby incubators:
P.S. This is a pathetic example to cite to make a case that the American people have been thoroughly brainwashed. It's an insult to both the reputable media and the American people. You keep dragging up cherry picked non sequiturs.
Brutal liars like you are inevitably in a state of denial about American government complicity (including Senator Joe Biden) in the most far-reaching genocide in history because the International Monetary Fund (based in Washington, DC) was thoroughly dominated by the United States government.
Quoting senior IMF official Davison Budhoo's resignation letter:
"To me resignation is a priceless liberation, for with it I have taken the first big step to that place where I may hope to wash my hands of what in my mind’s eye is the blood of millions of poor and starving peoples. ...The blood is so much, you know, it runs in rivers....
"The charges that I make touch at the very heart of western society and western morality and post-war inter-governmental institutionalism that have degenerated into fake and sham under the pretext of establishingand maintaining international economic order and global efficiency....
"Will the world be content merely to brand our institution as among the most insidious enemies of humankind? Will our fellowmen condemn us thus and let the matter rest? Or will the heirs of those whom we have dismembered in our own peculiar Holocaust clamor for another Nuremberg?
"I don’t mind telling you that this matter has haunted me; it has haunted me particularly over the past five years. It has haunted me because I know that if I am tried I will be found guilty, very guilty, without extenuating circumstance...."
Schmeeckle--You really ought to acquaint yourself with the truth instead of coming here to oppose it, resistant to it, to argue with everyone. You are so outnumbered . What credibility do you have other than the sources that you point to that are biased, oppositional and telling oppositional stories with, at best, partial facts? It's an insult. You have demonstrated that you do not have credibility. Why do you keep trying-- for attention? Do you think you are gaining ground?
I am supposed to fall over backward by what you present? I look up every one of your links and find gross faults and bias, a skewed narrative. You talk about about Neo Nazi's but when I show you that the Neo Nazi's, or the ones to call such if you are so interested, are in Russia and Russia has actually turned to being really Nazi now: more totalitarian, more of an outlaw gangster country than ever committing crimes against humanity with a population under repression, you ignore this. Inconvenient to acknowledge. This is Zelensky's Ukraine, now fighting for survival, living a hell. You dare to come here with your opposition garbage blaming Zelensky in the face of this?
About the Ukrainians "breakaway Donbass Republics" you should read the FULL history Schmeeckle. Try Wikipedia, there's lots of it there, but there are plenty of good sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serhii_Plokhy. Plokhy just came about with a book on this recent history.
"According to a survey conducted by Pew Research Centre from 5–23 April, 18% of eastern Ukrainians were in favour of secession, while 70% wished to remain part of a united Ukraine.[20] (2014)"
After the Maiden revolution other polls are similar ABOUT WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT...not what Russia wants and what Russians there want. Ukrainians in the Donbass do not want Russia or to be with Russia for the MOST part. Let the pro Russians, and the Russian IMPORTs go to Russia. This area is Ukraine. It's obvious why Putin wants it and Crimea. Crimea is now strategically an imperative for Ukraine, not only sovereign Ukraine. Ukraine has been sovereign, internationally accepted as sovereign a since 1991. Ukraine gave up its nukes for the agreement to be protected. Zelensky had and has every right according to international law to fight for it for the survival country. Russia should get the hell out. And.. speaking of hell- this is what Putin is headed for. Now drink your own special mix of Koolaid and please stop this.
And by the way, Potter, I'm pleased to notice that RFK, Jr. is following in my footsteps. Quoting RFK:
"Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian youth have already died because America’s foreign policy establishment manipulated their country into war to fulfill [a] vain and futile geopolitical phantasy. Now, rather than acknowledge failure, [the] Biden administration prepares to sacrifice American lives too.”
Thousands have died, innocent civilians and on purpose, because of Russia's brutal aggression Also children and women and others have been kidnapped to various places in Russia to be "reeducated". Some were taken from 2014 and reeducated on have been fighting as Russians in Ukraine. Some Ukrainians have been given Russian uniforms to do dirty work on the front lines.
RFK JR. is not credible demonstrably, even in today's paper more evidence. David Remnick did an interview with him in a recent NewYorker that reveals more. He's "off." You should not be so proud. (as of May 2023)
Russia relocated children whose parents were dead or missing out of a war zone, and the same western news media that studiously ignores Davison Budhoo's confession of crimes against humanity in "our own peculiar Holocaust" trumpets this as a war crime.
And then there was the Ukrainian anti-missile that missed an incoming Russian missile and landed in Poland, and Zelensky lied to the world about it. That one was a bit too blatant for westerners tobaccept without question, but how many other Russian "war crimes" were actually Ukrainian anti-missiles that came down randomly and exploded in urban areas?
But go chug a gallon of Kool-aid, you need the reinforcement.
Potter, you continue to sneer at my sources without ever actually mentioning a specific disagreement, as if you were a candidate to be an Orwellian McCarthyist thought controller.
In addition, for the second time, your proffered source doesn't say what you claim. You insinuate that your source says that 70% of Ukrainians in the Donbass want to stay with Ukraine, but your source says the opposite, as if you were a dyslexic cross-eyed troll.
HOWEVER, your source mentions a counter-referendum organized by Ihor Kolomoysky, the governor of Dnipropetrovsk district, which is not part of the Donbass. This counter-referendum, held in aras of the Donbass that were under the guns of the Ukrainian military, produced the results that you report. Perhaps you were drinking too much and didn't read your source carefully?
And who was this Ihor Kolomoysky, the governor who organized the counter-referendum? His company gave money to Hunter Biden; he was an oligarch (and an Israeli citizen) who owned the biggest bank in Ukraine; he funded Zelensky’s rise to power (President Poroshenko referred to Zelensky as "Kolomoysky’s puppet"); and he funded the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, perhaps with money from that IMF loan that disappeared from his bank (for which he was eventually purged and driven into exile).
“In late September 2022, in the context of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian-installed officials in Ukraine staged so-called referendums on the annexation of occupied territories of Ukraine by Russia.[1][2][3][4] They were widely described as sham referendums by commentators and denounced by various countries. Currently, the validity of the results of the referendums has only been accepted by North Korea and no other sovereign state”
The referendum organizers stated that 2,252,867 voted in favour of self-rule, with 256,040 against, on a turnout of nearly 75%.[57][58] These results could not be independently verified.[57][59]
“Separatists in eastern Ukraine are pressing ahead with their plan to hold a referendum on secession from Kiev, despite even the stated wishes of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The move may signal a dangerous escalation of an already deadly conflict. On Thursday, Denis Pushilin, the self-proclaimed chairman of the Donetsk People's Republic, insisted at a news conference that there was a popular will for the vote.
."People want the referendum," he said. "And it’s not just a few people; it's millions of people who want the referendum, who need to give this vote for their ideals."
But according to a new poll by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, a vast majority of those living in Ukraine -- both in the restive east and more nationalist west -- want the country's borders to remain the same, despite the many political and social tensions that have come to the surface in recent months.”
And Zelensky won the election with a big majority, because he campaigned on a promise to "bring swift peace" to the Donbass. But Zelensky the tragic coward made a mockery of his mandate by reneging on his campaign pledge and capitulated to neo-Nazis war-mongers, bringing ruin to Ukraine:
Schmeeckle... What's your point? What's your goal? Never mind. I am not up for following your out of date arguments on oppositional links, fact checking, pointing to the cherry picking nor correcting your falsities. Now with thIs poison/lie: "Zelensky’s support rose tremendously after he precipitated the Russian invasion" I leave.
Potter, you fail to recall the events leading up to the Russian invasion. Russia had given security guarantees to the breakaway Donbass republics. Zelensky was compelled, by both the nei-Nazis (who ruined his peace initiative) and the IMF (as a condition for the 2014 loan, which Zelensky publicly accepted) to reignite the war in the Donbass. Three days before the Russian invasion, Zelensky began his own pre-invasion bombardment along the line of contact, and he publicly mused about Ukraine re-acquiring nuclear weapons, presenting Russia with the thought of an endless "Cuban missile crisis" on its border.
Russia invaded as a survival imperative.
Now... go drink your Koolaid!
p.s. The American people have been thoroughly and completely beainwashed about what is going on in Ukraine. For an earlier example of news media brainwashing in support of imperialist war-mongering, recall the (later) proven fraud of Saddam Hussein and the Kuwaiti baby incubators:
https://shabait.com/2009/10/19/did-saddams-soldiers-throw-babies-from-incubators-in-kuwait/
P.S. This is a pathetic example to cite to make a case that the American people have been thoroughly brainwashed. It's an insult to both the reputable media and the American people. You keep dragging up cherry picked non sequiturs.
Brutal liars like you are inevitably in a state of denial about American government complicity (including Senator Joe Biden) in the most far-reaching genocide in history because the International Monetary Fund (based in Washington, DC) was thoroughly dominated by the United States government.
Quoting senior IMF official Davison Budhoo's resignation letter:
"To me resignation is a priceless liberation, for with it I have taken the first big step to that place where I may hope to wash my hands of what in my mind’s eye is the blood of millions of poor and starving peoples. ...The blood is so much, you know, it runs in rivers....
"The charges that I make touch at the very heart of western society and western morality and post-war inter-governmental institutionalism that have degenerated into fake and sham under the pretext of establishingand maintaining international economic order and global efficiency....
"Will the world be content merely to brand our institution as among the most insidious enemies of humankind? Will our fellowmen condemn us thus and let the matter rest? Or will the heirs of those whom we have dismembered in our own peculiar Holocaust clamor for another Nuremberg?
"I don’t mind telling you that this matter has haunted me; it has haunted me particularly over the past five years. It has haunted me because I know that if I am tried I will be found guilty, very guilty, without extenuating circumstance...."
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oJzvpfFzIKu76oE1CkzZlarRiVpYIggFMFzSt6OgHx0/mobilebasic
Schmeeckle--You really ought to acquaint yourself with the truth instead of coming here to oppose it, resistant to it, to argue with everyone. You are so outnumbered . What credibility do you have other than the sources that you point to that are biased, oppositional and telling oppositional stories with, at best, partial facts? It's an insult. You have demonstrated that you do not have credibility. Why do you keep trying-- for attention? Do you think you are gaining ground?
I am supposed to fall over backward by what you present? I look up every one of your links and find gross faults and bias, a skewed narrative. You talk about about Neo Nazi's but when I show you that the Neo Nazi's, or the ones to call such if you are so interested, are in Russia and Russia has actually turned to being really Nazi now: more totalitarian, more of an outlaw gangster country than ever committing crimes against humanity with a population under repression, you ignore this. Inconvenient to acknowledge. This is Zelensky's Ukraine, now fighting for survival, living a hell. You dare to come here with your opposition garbage blaming Zelensky in the face of this?
About the Ukrainians "breakaway Donbass Republics" you should read the FULL history Schmeeckle. Try Wikipedia, there's lots of it there, but there are plenty of good sources https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serhii_Plokhy. Plokhy just came about with a book on this recent history.
What polls say, in 2014, even with MAJOR Russian interference : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Donbas_status_referendums
"According to a survey conducted by Pew Research Centre from 5–23 April, 18% of eastern Ukrainians were in favour of secession, while 70% wished to remain part of a united Ukraine.[20] (2014)"
After the Maiden revolution other polls are similar ABOUT WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT...not what Russia wants and what Russians there want. Ukrainians in the Donbass do not want Russia or to be with Russia for the MOST part. Let the pro Russians, and the Russian IMPORTs go to Russia. This area is Ukraine. It's obvious why Putin wants it and Crimea. Crimea is now strategically an imperative for Ukraine, not only sovereign Ukraine. Ukraine has been sovereign, internationally accepted as sovereign a since 1991. Ukraine gave up its nukes for the agreement to be protected. Zelensky had and has every right according to international law to fight for it for the survival country. Russia should get the hell out. And.. speaking of hell- this is what Putin is headed for. Now drink your own special mix of Koolaid and please stop this.
And by the way, Potter, I'm pleased to notice that RFK, Jr. is following in my footsteps. Quoting RFK:
"Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian youth have already died because America’s foreign policy establishment manipulated their country into war to fulfill [a] vain and futile geopolitical phantasy. Now, rather than acknowledge failure, [the] Biden administration prepares to sacrifice American lives too.”
https://sputnikglobe.com/20230715/rfk-jr-reams-establishment-for-manipulating-ukraine-into-conflict-fears-america-is-next-1111894771.html
Thousands have died, innocent civilians and on purpose, because of Russia's brutal aggression Also children and women and others have been kidnapped to various places in Russia to be "reeducated". Some were taken from 2014 and reeducated on have been fighting as Russians in Ukraine. Some Ukrainians have been given Russian uniforms to do dirty work on the front lines.
RFK JR. is not credible demonstrably, even in today's paper more evidence. David Remnick did an interview with him in a recent NewYorker that reveals more. He's "off." You should not be so proud. (as of May 2023)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/29/i-was-so-scared-the-ukrainian-children-taken-to-russia-for-financial-gain#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Ukrainian%20government,missing%20could%20be%20an%20underestimate.
https://www.rferl.org/a/inside-russian-system-taking-ukraine-children/32437567.html
And this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/ukraine-missing-children-taken-by-russia-kherson/index.html
"Proud"??
You're as bad as your sources.
Russia relocated children whose parents were dead or missing out of a war zone, and the same western news media that studiously ignores Davison Budhoo's confession of crimes against humanity in "our own peculiar Holocaust" trumpets this as a war crime.
And then there was the Ukrainian anti-missile that missed an incoming Russian missile and landed in Poland, and Zelensky lied to the world about it. That one was a bit too blatant for westerners tobaccept without question, but how many other Russian "war crimes" were actually Ukrainian anti-missiles that came down randomly and exploded in urban areas?
But go chug a gallon of Kool-aid, you need the reinforcement.
Potter, you continue to sneer at my sources without ever actually mentioning a specific disagreement, as if you were a candidate to be an Orwellian McCarthyist thought controller.
In addition, for the second time, your proffered source doesn't say what you claim. You insinuate that your source says that 70% of Ukrainians in the Donbass want to stay with Ukraine, but your source says the opposite, as if you were a dyslexic cross-eyed troll.
HOWEVER, your source mentions a counter-referendum organized by Ihor Kolomoysky, the governor of Dnipropetrovsk district, which is not part of the Donbass. This counter-referendum, held in aras of the Donbass that were under the guns of the Ukrainian military, produced the results that you report. Perhaps you were drinking too much and didn't read your source carefully?
And who was this Ihor Kolomoysky, the governor who organized the counter-referendum? His company gave money to Hunter Biden; he was an oligarch (and an Israeli citizen) who owned the biggest bank in Ukraine; he funded Zelensky’s rise to power (President Poroshenko referred to Zelensky as "Kolomoysky’s puppet"); and he funded the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion, perhaps with money from that IMF loan that disappeared from his bank (for which he was eventually purged and driven into exile).
That's Ukrainian politics for you.
See "How One Ukrainian Billionaire Funded Hunter Biden, President Volodymyr Zelensky, And Neo-Nazi Azov Battalion," at https://greatgameindia.com/hunter-biden-zelensky-neo-nazi/
PUBLIC OPINION (2014): According to a survey conducted by Pew Research Centre from 5–23 April, 18% of eastern Ukrainians were in favour of secession, while 70% wished to remain part of a united Ukraine.[20] https://web.archive.org/web/20140509001422/http://www.pewglobal.org/files/2014/05/Pew-Global-Attitudes-Ukraine-Russia-Report-FINAL-May-8-2014.pdf
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_annexation_referendums_in_Russian-occupied_Ukraine
“In late September 2022, in the context of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Russian-installed officials in Ukraine staged so-called referendums on the annexation of occupied territories of Ukraine by Russia.[1][2][3][4] They were widely described as sham referendums by commentators and denounced by various countries. Currently, the validity of the results of the referendums has only been accepted by North Korea and no other sovereign state”
Quoting from the first source you provided:
The referendum organizers stated that 2,252,867 voted in favour of self-rule, with 256,040 against, on a turnout of nearly 75%.[57][58] These results could not be independently verified.[57][59]
NEW POLL …Washington Post May 8 2014
“Separatists in eastern Ukraine are pressing ahead with their plan to hold a referendum on secession from Kiev, despite even the stated wishes of Russian President Vladimir Putin. The move may signal a dangerous escalation of an already deadly conflict. On Thursday, Denis Pushilin, the self-proclaimed chairman of the Donetsk People's Republic, insisted at a news conference that there was a popular will for the vote.
."People want the referendum," he said. "And it’s not just a few people; it's millions of people who want the referendum, who need to give this vote for their ideals."
But according to a new poll by the Pew Global Attitudes Project, a vast majority of those living in Ukraine -- both in the restive east and more nationalist west -- want the country's borders to remain the same, despite the many political and social tensions that have come to the surface in recent months.”
And Zelensky won the election with a big majority, because he campaigned on a promise to "bring swift peace" to the Donbass. But Zelensky the tragic coward made a mockery of his mandate by reneging on his campaign pledge and capitulated to neo-Nazis war-mongers, bringing ruin to Ukraine:
https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/04/how-zelensky-made-peace-with-neo-nazis/
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2014/03/06/regional-polls-show-few-ukrainians-russians-want-a-united-single-state/
https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/july-12-2023/comment/20853496