I guess we’ll see in November, won’t we? When the Dems start blaming everyone but the face in the mirror for the stupid loss in another eminently winnable election.
Yeah, I guess you are right, it's the *Democrats* that have been the ones doing all the electoral losing post-2016. It was NOT the Democrats who took the House and Governors' mansions in a giant wave in 2018, THEN took the Presidency and the Senate in 2020, THEN in 2022 had the best incumbent midterm in half a century, *gaining* in the swing states and the Senate, THEN spent this year winning almost every statewide race and overperforming in specials, even in red states. Definitely NOT the Dems doing that, and that's because they ONLY get uppity college-educated moneymakers to the polls, nary a working-class voter in sight. If only they listened to Tom they might stand a chance.
Uh, it wasn't only Dobbs. Gotta love how Dobbs went from "not nearly enough to outweigh anger at inflation" to "the only thing saving Dems from anger at inflation" as soon as the results came in, as if it couldnt POSSIBLY be young/diverse/working-class voters responding more favorably to an incumbent party with a highly popular party platform over an opposition with no published platform at all.
But let's say it was all Dobbs. Will every pre-menopousal woman in America stop ovulating in the next 10 months? No? Then congrats, Dobbs is still relevant to them. And their mothers. And their husbands and boyfriends. Oh wait, that's almost everybody. Oops.
Especially post menopausal who had to fight for the right to have credit cards in their own names; pay equality & the list goes on . Someone pointed out the various salutations for women to designate their status & for men just one.
My Mom is 66, so Roe was decided when she was 16. She told me how being able to get your own credit was a life-changer; and I am ashamed to say I am not sure I would ever have considered it had she not told me.
She doesn't read news regularly and has never discussed politics, but even she is absolutely dismayed and totally furious. People are seriously underestimating just how fundamental and motivating women's rights are for all ages and genders. My equally-news-adverse 23-year old brother even talked about it to me recently! He isn't a party animal, but he wants a girlfriend, and what if...??? (And we live in a safe state!) Plus he has female friends. He is worried about them. He knows to be worried because They. Are. Furious.
I’ve got 10 years on your mom, and furious doesn’t begin to describe it. I was hoping that as the cases the overturn neglected to define and the abject cruelty of resulting decisions would turn people’s minds, but it hasn’t. Just want to shake people. I don’t pray, but my hope is people who are afraid to act in public will do so in the secrecy of the ballot box.
I'm 70 and trust me, Mr. High...people like Will are MUCH more numerous and ready to vote than you evidently want to think.
And about Dobbs? I may be post-menopausal but I will STILL fight with every molecule in my body for mine as well as my daughter's rights, my daughter's daughter' rights and the rights of every woman in this country! We ALL deserve the same g-d body autonomy that men have always enjoyed.
Nuh-uh. Youth vote ain't worth beans all by itself. It is, however, an important component of a coalition that is holding together pretty well whenever it is tested not by pollsters but by actual elections.
You people here who are absolutely obsessed with the tragedy in Gaza and insert it into every conversation keep using an assumption of your own: that a certain group of voters (youth) will elevate their disapproval of a complex global event over their own self-interest. You assume they are naive enough to cut off their nose to spite their face, that the youth who actually vote - rather than the youth who post online - will withhold a vote from a candidate they agree with on values 85% of the time over the 15% of the time they don't. The idea that the average under-30/35 voter will find Middle East policy more important than income inequality, job growth, housing, education, climate change, healthcare, abortion access, gun control, and crimminal justice reform PUT TOGETHER... Well, I might be wrong, but that notion is incredible to me.
But, what do I know? I cast my first vote at 21 for Hillary in the primary, because - while she was a tad too neoliberal for me - I thought her takes were nuanced and Bernie was an absolute airhead. I supported Warren 4 years later, than Biden in the general, and will do so again as I have considered my expectations totally surpassed. Everyone is different but that is me.
P.S. You do get that Heather Cox Richardson commenters tend to be a pretty bookish bunch, and that hilariously obscure and obviously unreliable links are not going to lead us away from the dastardly mainstream media, right?
Expand on the “airheadedness of Bernie Sanders. No one is stronger than he is on income inequality. That was the first thing on your list of young voters concerns. How is he an airhead? That seems unfair to me.
Hi David. I know it has been several days, but if you are still interested in a reply...
To be clear, I *like* Bernie Sanders to a certain degree, and the word I chose was a colorful one that I wouldn't use in a less formal setting. As always, the usual "just my opinion" caveat applies. However, when you say that "No one is stronger than he is on income inequality," I disagree, and this disagreement best illuminates my perception. I do not think Sanders is the *strongest* on income inequality; I find him the *loudest* and *clearest* on income inequality, which (while appreciated) does not make one strong on a subject. To me, that would require a set of policy proposals that are immediately achievable and detailed enough to tackle the full scope of the issue holistically. As a voter, I found Bernie's proposals sorely lacking in these qualities. I remember going to his website to find more detail on his Medicare for All plan and discovering that there wasn't any plan of the sort beyond saying "we should have universal health care in this country!" I agree! However, if you are asking me to help you become the most powerful person on Earth, you better have receipts for a proposal that would rewrite a large section of the world's largest economy. Bernie himself seems above-board and many smart people I respect supported him, but his entire candidacy both times struck me as a cult of personality. My college friends liked how he never "sold out" but I saw someone with a very limited legislative record and a surfeit of righteousness. Plus, the idea that the majority of registered Democrats would balk at supporting someone who took it as a point of pride that he wasn't really part of the party should not have been surprising. If he and his supporters couldn't even have that level of self-awareness, I could not count myself among them.
Yeah, um…. Everybody ain’t you, Will.
No duh, Captain Obvious.
But notably more working-class people are "me" than "you."
I guess we’ll see in November, won’t we? When the Dems start blaming everyone but the face in the mirror for the stupid loss in another eminently winnable election.
Yeah, I guess you are right, it's the *Democrats* that have been the ones doing all the electoral losing post-2016. It was NOT the Democrats who took the House and Governors' mansions in a giant wave in 2018, THEN took the Presidency and the Senate in 2020, THEN in 2022 had the best incumbent midterm in half a century, *gaining* in the swing states and the Senate, THEN spent this year winning almost every statewide race and overperforming in specials, even in red states. Definitely NOT the Dems doing that, and that's because they ONLY get uppity college-educated moneymakers to the polls, nary a working-class voter in sight. If only they listened to Tom they might stand a chance.
Got get him Will! give that Putin troll a dose of reality.
Always back to Putin with you. Funny boy, you are.
Dobbs saved the Dems. Gaza, not so much. We’ll see.
Uh, it wasn't only Dobbs. Gotta love how Dobbs went from "not nearly enough to outweigh anger at inflation" to "the only thing saving Dems from anger at inflation" as soon as the results came in, as if it couldnt POSSIBLY be young/diverse/working-class voters responding more favorably to an incumbent party with a highly popular party platform over an opposition with no published platform at all.
But let's say it was all Dobbs. Will every pre-menopousal woman in America stop ovulating in the next 10 months? No? Then congrats, Dobbs is still relevant to them. And their mothers. And their husbands and boyfriends. Oh wait, that's almost everybody. Oops.
Especially post menopausal who had to fight for the right to have credit cards in their own names; pay equality & the list goes on . Someone pointed out the various salutations for women to designate their status & for men just one.
My Mom is 66, so Roe was decided when she was 16. She told me how being able to get your own credit was a life-changer; and I am ashamed to say I am not sure I would ever have considered it had she not told me.
She doesn't read news regularly and has never discussed politics, but even she is absolutely dismayed and totally furious. People are seriously underestimating just how fundamental and motivating women's rights are for all ages and genders. My equally-news-adverse 23-year old brother even talked about it to me recently! He isn't a party animal, but he wants a girlfriend, and what if...??? (And we live in a safe state!) Plus he has female friends. He is worried about them. He knows to be worried because They. Are. Furious.
Glad to see you on these pages again Will.
You nailed it once again.
I’ve got 10 years on your mom, and furious doesn’t begin to describe it. I was hoping that as the cases the overturn neglected to define and the abject cruelty of resulting decisions would turn people’s minds, but it hasn’t. Just want to shake people. I don’t pray, but my hope is people who are afraid to act in public will do so in the secrecy of the ballot box.
I'm 70 and trust me, Mr. High...people like Will are MUCH more numerous and ready to vote than you evidently want to think.
And about Dobbs? I may be post-menopausal but I will STILL fight with every molecule in my body for mine as well as my daughter's rights, my daughter's daughter' rights and the rights of every woman in this country! We ALL deserve the same g-d body autonomy that men have always enjoyed.
You keep thinking the youth vote is going to save you. How quickly the political pundits who killed Bernie used to mock that trope.
https://mondoweiss.net/2024/01/operation-al-aqsa-flood-day-94-israeli-forces-kill-four-year-old-girl-in-occupied-west-bank-gazas-children-face-brunt-of-the-genocide/
Nuh-uh. Youth vote ain't worth beans all by itself. It is, however, an important component of a coalition that is holding together pretty well whenever it is tested not by pollsters but by actual elections.
You people here who are absolutely obsessed with the tragedy in Gaza and insert it into every conversation keep using an assumption of your own: that a certain group of voters (youth) will elevate their disapproval of a complex global event over their own self-interest. You assume they are naive enough to cut off their nose to spite their face, that the youth who actually vote - rather than the youth who post online - will withhold a vote from a candidate they agree with on values 85% of the time over the 15% of the time they don't. The idea that the average under-30/35 voter will find Middle East policy more important than income inequality, job growth, housing, education, climate change, healthcare, abortion access, gun control, and crimminal justice reform PUT TOGETHER... Well, I might be wrong, but that notion is incredible to me.
But, what do I know? I cast my first vote at 21 for Hillary in the primary, because - while she was a tad too neoliberal for me - I thought her takes were nuanced and Bernie was an absolute airhead. I supported Warren 4 years later, than Biden in the general, and will do so again as I have considered my expectations totally surpassed. Everyone is different but that is me.
P.S. You do get that Heather Cox Richardson commenters tend to be a pretty bookish bunch, and that hilariously obscure and obviously unreliable links are not going to lead us away from the dastardly mainstream media, right?
Love your comments this am.....especially to the in-house troll.
Will, from Cal,
Expand on the “airheadedness of Bernie Sanders. No one is stronger than he is on income inequality. That was the first thing on your list of young voters concerns. How is he an airhead? That seems unfair to me.
Hi David. I know it has been several days, but if you are still interested in a reply...
To be clear, I *like* Bernie Sanders to a certain degree, and the word I chose was a colorful one that I wouldn't use in a less formal setting. As always, the usual "just my opinion" caveat applies. However, when you say that "No one is stronger than he is on income inequality," I disagree, and this disagreement best illuminates my perception. I do not think Sanders is the *strongest* on income inequality; I find him the *loudest* and *clearest* on income inequality, which (while appreciated) does not make one strong on a subject. To me, that would require a set of policy proposals that are immediately achievable and detailed enough to tackle the full scope of the issue holistically. As a voter, I found Bernie's proposals sorely lacking in these qualities. I remember going to his website to find more detail on his Medicare for All plan and discovering that there wasn't any plan of the sort beyond saying "we should have universal health care in this country!" I agree! However, if you are asking me to help you become the most powerful person on Earth, you better have receipts for a proposal that would rewrite a large section of the world's largest economy. Bernie himself seems above-board and many smart people I respect supported him, but his entire candidacy both times struck me as a cult of personality. My college friends liked how he never "sold out" but I saw someone with a very limited legislative record and a surfeit of righteousness. Plus, the idea that the majority of registered Democrats would balk at supporting someone who took it as a point of pride that he wasn't really part of the party should not have been surprising. If he and his supporters couldn't even have that level of self-awareness, I could not count myself among them.