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Rick Sender's avatar

Guess what your Hydro climatologist is wrong. For years, California and its Sierra club and radical environmental groups have refused to allow California government to do what it needs to do to save its water. Instead, it allows of gallons of water to run into the ocean instead of building a dam to save the water for emergencies like this, which let me repeat happen every single year.

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horhai's avatar

Really? What's your degree in? Cause it is complete BS.

Hurricane force winds up to 100 mph whipping flames, fire and ember everywhere were too much for even tanker planes to go up in on Tuesday. The fire spread so quickly that there was no way to stop the destruction. The soil is parched from such a lack of rainfall, the Santa Ana winds ferocious and unrelenting, no amount of water could put it out like you seem to think. A torrential downpour might have done the trick but out here in California rain isn't even expected for the next 2 weeks.

This isn't just about water storage it's a major climate and ecological problem that we've all contributed to in some way and we need to start doing something about it now.

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Jim Young Freeport, ME's avatar

There has been a lot done to capture water and recharge aquifers that would have been realistic if the climate change wasn't happening as much faster than we thought we could control.

Some old history, not completely suppressed (yet) is at https://truthout.org/articles/water-for-fracking-how-much-does-the-oil-gas-industry-use/

I remember back to the public hearings on DOGGR regulation of fracking when they wanted Twin Tunnels that would have shipped so much water south supposedly for farmers and LA (actually far more than ever admitted for fracking), when the higher risk was limiting water that kept salt water intrusion into the Bay Delta area.

"...Richard Stapler, Deputy Secretary for Communications of the California Natural Resources Agency, claimed that only 8 acre feet of water is used every year for hydraulic fracturing in California, in an apparent attempt to minimize the amount of water employed for fracking..."

A serious "perhaps" deliberate understatement?

Try the following:

"...So what is the actual amount of water now used for fracking in Califonia right now тАУ 8 acre feet of water, 6,721 acre feet, or much, much more as fracking opponents contend?

Kern County oil industry uses vast quantities of water

One thing is for certain тАУ oil companies use big quantities in their current oil drilling operations in Kern County, although the amount specifically used in fracking operations is hard to pinpoint. Much of this water this comes through the State Water ProjectтАЩs California Aqueduct and the Central Valley Water ProjectтАЩs Delta Mendota Canal, spurring increasing conflicts between local farmers and oil companies over available water.

тАЬWhatтАЩs resoundingly clear, however, is that it takes more water than ever just to sustain Kern CountyтАЩs ebbing oil production,тАЭ according to Jeremy MillerтАЩs 2011 investigative piece, тАЬThe Colonization of Kern County,тАЭ in Orion Magazine:

тАЬAt the height of California oil production in 1985, oil companies in Kern County pumped 1.1 billion barrels of water underground to extract 256 million barrels of oilтАФa ratio of roughly four and a half barrels of water for every barrel of oil,тАЭ according to Miller. тАЬIn 2008, Kern producers injected nearly 1.3 billion barrels of water to extract 162 million barrels of oilтАФa ratio of nearly eight barrels of water for every barrel of oil produced.тАЭ

MillerтАЩs investigation has yielded some alarming data on how much water has been used by the oil industry in Kern County and statewide since the 1960s.

тАЬIn the time since steamflooding was pioneered here in the fields of Kern County in the 1960s, oil companies statewide have pumped roughly 2.8 trillion gallons of fresh waterтАФor, in the parlance of agriculture, nearly 9 million acre-feetтАФunderground in pursuit of the regionтАЩs tarry oil,тАЭ said Miller. тАЬEssentially, enough water has been injected into the oil fields here over the last forty years to create a lake one foot deep covering more than thirteen thousand square milesтАФnearly twice the surface area of Lake Ontario...тАЭ

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Rick Sender's avatar

This is not a one off!!!! . This is an every year occurrence and every four years they lose about billions of dollars because they donтАЩt do enough fire mitigation and they donтАЩt have enough water. IтАЩve lived there for 30 years. I see it every year, so please donтАЩt try to tell me what what degree in

Degrees are for classroomsтАж living experiences is for life.

You say we we have not contributed to this we have wasted millions of gallons of water by letting them run into the ocean It doesnтАЩt take a classroom to tell you that we see it every year on the news right after the fires every single year

There is no major ecological problem. The problem is brain trust the problem is planning the problem is budgeting. ThatтАЩs the problem. Since where are you running?

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Rick Sender's avatar

Sorry for that last line somebody was talking in the background as I was voice texting.

This has been happening for the past hundred years that thereтАЩs not enough fire, mitigation and planning and storage of water so that itтАЩs easier to put out a fire when thereтАЩs an ecological issue because every year thereтАЩs plenty of rainfall this is an unusual situation but four years ago they didnтАЩt have that problem and still had 30 or $40 billion of damage

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Rick Sender's avatar

You obviously know nothing about California nothing theyтАЩve allocated money after money after money to the budget and never spend it on what itтАЩs supposed to be spent on including two reservoirs that were allocated four years ago that are still not built. Not to mention a high-speed rail that was supposed to be built in 2020 finished in 2020 and it basically hasnтАЩt even gotten started and the budget was originally 33 billion and now itтАЩs 88 billion.

Democrat controlled state.. for decades

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Derek Smith's avatar

ЁЯТй

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