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Ilene Freedman's avatar

Those who say “what has he done?” do not read or engage like many of us do to learn the details of what he’s done. What actually did Loser do during his tenure, but watch TV and play golf and sell us down the river. Biden is here, there and everywhere. Your PhD friends have their heads buried in their work and lives and doing their best to ignore how the world turns because of what the government does to keep their world going.

Kamala Harris is finding her voice more and more. Biden for all his “doddering” is doing a damn good job “administering” as any good CEO would do.

Did you look at how previous presidents all aged during their administrations. Who wouldn’t under the pressures they face and the pace they must keep if they are doing their job? I’ll taking aging Joe Biden over anybody the Republicans throw at us.

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Frank Loomer's avatar

Hear hear "I'll take ageing Joe Biden over anybody the Republicas throw at us"... TOG is only a few years shy of Biden, rages at times in incoherence.

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Pam Taylor's avatar

Frank, I shared this before, but it bears repeating...

I saw a commentator on TV say, I'd rather have an old man who needs another nap, than an old man who needs another lawyer."

I remember hearing people say that Biden wouldn't last 6 months when he was elected.. That he had dementia and was too frail mentally and physically. Well, It's been almost 4 years and he HAS lasted, and has accomplished more than Trump ever even thought about accomplishing.

I think he will let us know when he feels like he can't do his job anymore.

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Frank Loomer's avatar

PLainly the charge Biden "had dementia" wasn't fact checked. And we must always remember an effective president surrounds themself with "good people"... works for rock stars too lol.

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Pam Taylor's avatar

Frank, when Trump was amazingly elected in 2016, my only hope for the stability of our nation was that he would surround himself with experts in their field. He was totally ill -prepared to be the president. He had no idea what he was doing, and then he fired the experts and hired his thuggish friends who knew about as much as he did.

Biden's cabinet is filled with qualified people whom he respects and relies on.

Big difference!

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Lisa59's avatar

Pam, Agent Orange is threatened by smart people. It's in the Malignant narcissist handbook. 'Don't hire someone smarter than me'. His administration was a perfect example of that. How many went to jail?

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Bryan Sean McKown's avatar

I recently saw Pat Benatar Rockin' on Austin City Limits. Pat has long length grey hair now but, still really Rockin'.

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Frank Loomer's avatar

New to me (like so much else), i see she's from Cleveland, and seems so is JD Rockefeller, i'm just getting into an audio version of Chernow's biography of him. Listened to Pat's One Love from 1988. Also, Love is a Battlefield which seemed to rise the hackles on the then right wing, i see PBS just did a special, maybe that's what you saw. Talk about Rock living out the days!

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Bill Alstrom (MAtoMainetoMA)'s avatar

Exactly. I would walk over hot coals to vote for the finest, most accomplished president of my long life. I read. I know how carefully and wisely President Biden proceeds.

But we live in a world where one sound bite, one TikTok, one stutter, one shuffle becomes more powerful than all that competence and compassion that our president has brought us.

The fear Mike is expressing courses through my veins. The horrible truth is that our political process has been twisted into a circus. A show. And the performer who can spit out a cute six word quip gets the applause.

Mike is right. Biden should have stepped aside. And it is not too late. It was March 31, 1968 when LBJ announced he would not be running for re-election - he knew he couldn't win.

If Biden has one significant flaw, it is his ego. You have to have a big one to arrive at the presidency. But I believe he really thinks he is our best bet at another four years of a Democratic presidency. He is wrong. There are many leaders in our party who could crush the Republican nominee (Trump ain't there yet!). Our bench is deep.

Regardless, the task is to vote Blue. And to convince every wavering younger person we know - to vote and to get their friends to vote Blue. Or we will be experiencing the end of American democracy and an embrace of fascism. The Republican Party of 2024 makes the Communist Party of 1954 look positively saintly.

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Richard Sutherland's avatar

Biden has done a great job. He is an excellent POTUS. But, he is 80 years old and that is an issue. There are so many who could take his place and continue with his excellent work, Gov. Gavin Newsom of California, for one, and Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan, for another. We keep dealing with the Ruth Bader Ginsburg effect. Damn.

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Bill Alstrom (MAtoMainetoMA)'s avatar

The RBG effect is quite apt. A perfect example of how you can love someone SO much and be SO mad at them for one decision.

Newsom is an amazing speaker. Whitmer would be my choice. Gavin as VP - traditional attack dog role would be right up his alley.

But Corey Booker and several others could hit it out of the park.

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Ally House (Oregon)'s avatar

When I heard Corey Booker speak at the DNC when Obama was nominated, I thought he'd be the next democratic candidate. There are, as others have listed, a fair number of outstanding people in the wings. We just need to get them there.

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samani's avatar

Ally, I have always admired Corey Booker. As you know, he’s super articulate, highly intelligent & brave among other wonderful qualities; was my first choice among democrats in the last election run up.

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Richard Sutherland's avatar

The beauty is that we have a large number of younger Democrats (I'm 83) who could "knock it out of the park." Exercising excellent judgment is a very, very difficult quality to grasp. What happens if within the next three months Biden suffers a disabling stroke or dies? What then?

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Dave Dalton's avatar

Bill, Biden has already proved America will pick him over Trump but it was close. Picking any other Democrat in this MAGA hypnosis is a big risk. Who on the bench is up to the task “today”? Harris now has some experience. Raskin perhaps. Newsom?, perhaps, perhaps. The rest are fully capable of governing but don’t rise to name recognition, which is critical at this point. Think about how anyone of them could have accomplished what Biden already has

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Mike S's avatar

Bill. Thanks! I respect Biden immensely.

But. 80 is on the high side.

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Lisa59's avatar

IIene, I was at a concert in Aspen sitting next to a guy who was a local surgeon, pilot, and activist. He said, he works with the ultra wealthy everyday. He was telling me how many are Agent Orange supporters. We were laughing about the fact they can make money or rather inherent it, but when it comes to basic humanity they are as dumb and apathetic as a doorknob. He had some great stories.

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Ilene Freedman's avatar

The sad part is that I’m aware of Gen Zers and Millennials who have the world at their fingertips tips who belittle what they see and are in their own bubble of entitlement.

I’m glad my own kids and even young grandchildren are following more in my footsteps ( not because they are in lockstep), but because they keep themselves informed and involved.

We just have to keep trying to change one mind at a time.

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Lisa59's avatar

Entitlement and apathy is an issue with some. I remember when my one of my kids got their first job. After a couple weeks she thought she should be paid more. We laughed. And told her so does everyone else.

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Barbara Keating's avatar

LOL, Lisa, growing up is hard to do! I think I was in my early 20’s before really “got” my parents & what being responsible for yourself really meant. I had to learn fast, having gotten married 3 days after my 18th birthday. Fortunately my mom, as a mostly single parent, had vested me and my sibs with lots of household responsibilities….something we all whined about at the time, but were eventually grateful for being “apprentice” adults & learning life skills.

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Lisa59's avatar

Hi Barbara, married at eighteen. I was 22, pregnant, and my soon to be husband was in a body cast from a fall. We got married in my mom's living room and she invited her Herbalife team and customers. No family or friends. That's a whole other story.

We taught our girls skills when they were young. Changing a tire, shooting a gun (husband hunted), Changing the oil in their cars, cooking, gardening, camping, boating, welding, all kinds of things. They are thankful we did. Learned helplessness is not cool.

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Barbara Keating's avatar

Agree! I’m a total tool geek (and fabrics, and books and music CD’s and plants) & took auto shop, carpentry, welding, and tailoring classes (never could get into the wait-listed weaving classes) in college as well as art history, English, philosophy, psych and sociology classes….heh, was on what I call the “10-yr no degree program” (worked at the Univ, so could attend part time as well). I’m in the middle of a stalled renovation of part of my house (thanks Covid), but just before it hit I had a couple of electricians come over to troubleshoot (the fix required me to demo the interior walls of two rooms & had them replace the not to code electrical) ….one fellow looked into a room and said “oh you have a tool room…neat”….I hung my head and said “it’s my bedroom!”. Sigh, I have a friend who once told me “you’re not a hoarder, you’re a collector!” & my neighbors all know they can borrow tools or ask me if I have “x” building supply (pipes, lumber, wire, etc.). Starting, now, to divest myself of my “collections”…keeping only crucial stuff…what a chore!

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Lisa59's avatar

I am jealous of your 10-yr no degree program. Being a professional student was a dream I once had:).

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Barbara Keating's avatar

Even after I stopped being a part time student, I still would take the occasional Extended Ed class and, now, participate in the Univ’s OLLI program (Osher Lifelong Learning Institute) with classes for older folks…generally classes of limited duration. Is a great program—no tests & generally no homework! It’s just for the joy of learning.

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Lisa59's avatar

I'm laughing. That is so funny. We too, are in a constant state of renovation. My old farmhouse was built in 1876. Everything in here is original. Miles of molding. The kitchen sucked however. Squirrels moved in the kitchen and it sounded like Cancun on spring break. You could hang beef in there. We just finished it. We do our own work. I love it. It looks beautiful. My husband can fix anything. He's going to die with a caulking gun in his hand.

Collections are cool. I love love estate sales. I love treasure hunting.

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Barbara Keating's avatar

I need a bumper sticker that says “I brake for brick”….I collect broken concrete, used bricks (even have some weird ones from many years ago when a pulp mill demolished its brick-lined exhaust stack), & rocks to make walkways, patios & garden bed edging. LOL…even have some brick that came from a dumpster (remodeling debris) next door to the former Grateful Dead house in San Francisco around 1997….driving north from SF to Humboldt county the load was so rear-end heavy my front wheels were marginally in contact with the road….needless to say the drive home was low and slow! People ask me how old my house is & I ask which room? It has been cobbled together over the decades before I purchased it. Totally a work in progress!

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Lisa59's avatar

I love your passion for bricks. Thats some dedication to heavy lifting. I could drive around and look at old architecture all day. We collect rocks from our trips to the North Shore and Colorado. I put them in my gardens.

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Margaret's avatar

I'm from Milwaukee where I collected a bunch of Cream City brick. Cool.

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Margaret's avatar

Ye're a woman after me own heart.

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Jon Margolis's avatar

Thank you. (Have you noticed that the two best presidents of the past 25 years share the same initials? Joe Biden and Jed Bartlet.).

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Ilene Freedman's avatar

You know over the pandemic lock down I rewatched the entire West Wing series. I love President Bartlett and those he surrounded himself with.

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Jon Margolis's avatar

Those were the days! What amazes me is that we're still talking about the same issues--climate change, religion in politics, the Middle East....

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Ally House (Oregon)'s avatar

The other thing, Ilene, is when you confront them with what he has done, they reply with either a "well, that isn't what I read" or a well reasoned "nu-uh" and a head shake.

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Barbara Keating's avatar

Fran Lebowitz quote: “Think before you speak. Read before you think.” Personally I prefer to read both inside and outside my silo, even tho it can seem more warm and cozy with like-minded folk!

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Kimberlee Avery Wilkins's avatar

I would take Biden if he was in a coma instead of dumpster twatward ! At least he has competent, empathetic, intelligent people working with him !

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Bryan Sean McKown's avatar

Ilene, thank you for using that word "administering": ... to wit executive administration.

FDR was hobbled by polio but, he had superior cabinet administrators including FRANCES PERKINS, Secretary of Labor make that Secretary of Labor rights 1933-1945.

JEN PSAKI has worked for 6 Presidents as a communicator, West Wing & Campaign expert.

ANTONY J BLINKEN seems to be in a different nation every other day. Use surrogates like my CA Governor NEWSOM.

We need to revolutionize Presidential Communications to the Citizens. Build a Beta model asap & use it in the Campaign.

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Patricia  A  Martinez's avatar

Perfectly said.

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