From your posts today and other days, I think there were some similarities in the ways we were raised. That we both turned out to be ethical, capable of good trouble, and determined to think for ourselves is pretty fantastic.
While I never give myself the out that my poor decisions are the fault of my fundamentalist parents, I realize tha…
From your posts today and other days, I think there were some similarities in the ways we were raised. That we both turned out to be ethical, capable of good trouble, and determined to think for ourselves is pretty fantastic.
While I never give myself the out that my poor decisions are the fault of my fundamentalist parents, I realize that they neglected to teach me some important lessons that I'm still learning. However, knowing they did their job poorly in some aspects, I take full responsibility and bear the full brunt of my own behaviors.
Same here. I was taught extremely little about real life and society and had to learn in a hurry as an adult as I went along. After making a few spectacularly bad decisions based on subconsciously held dysfunctional lessons from my childhood I realized that I had to take it all apart, examine it in the light of day and see if any of it matched the kind of person I wanted to be. And like you, even though those decisions were clearly based on what I was taught, I was an adult and I had made them, so I was responsible. Own it, apologize when necessary and keep going. Keep learning. Which I hope to do until I shuffle off my mortal coil.
I’m so glad you found that it might be interesting Kasumii. I always love your comments. The Patty Hearst/SLA bank robbery happened when I was young and impressionable and jump started a life long fascination with our human mind. The paper references lots of other sources, so it’s something that will take me awhile to work my way through. My hope is that we will see a day before we destroy earth that we figure out how to prevent genocide at the hands of murderous demagogues empowered by their followers. Neuroscience will light the path.
Fundamentalism, regardless of particular stripe, creates tremendous challenges for children raised in such horrid circumstances. Although I escaped at 15, that is unusual. So many people become trapped in the lies. We are ever so amazing for having gotten out. Truly, cheers for us, survivors, nay, thrivers, in life. Thanks for a thoughtful conversation. And endless blessings upon us all.
From your posts today and other days, I think there were some similarities in the ways we were raised. That we both turned out to be ethical, capable of good trouble, and determined to think for ourselves is pretty fantastic.
While I never give myself the out that my poor decisions are the fault of my fundamentalist parents, I realize that they neglected to teach me some important lessons that I'm still learning. However, knowing they did their job poorly in some aspects, I take full responsibility and bear the full brunt of my own behaviors.
Same here. I was taught extremely little about real life and society and had to learn in a hurry as an adult as I went along. After making a few spectacularly bad decisions based on subconsciously held dysfunctional lessons from my childhood I realized that I had to take it all apart, examine it in the light of day and see if any of it matched the kind of person I wanted to be. And like you, even though those decisions were clearly based on what I was taught, I was an adult and I had made them, so I was responsible. Own it, apologize when necessary and keep going. Keep learning. Which I hope to do until I shuffle off my mortal coil.
I wondered given the subject matter (and I agree with pretty much all of this present conversation) if folks might find this interesting. I’ve only read the abstract as it is quite long but a subject of great interest to me so I downloaded the paper. It will be a couple of days before I can read all of it. Just in case others have an interest: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264341200_Implanted_Choice_From_Prisoners_of_War_to_Patty_Hearst_to_Lee_Boyd_Malvo_Examining_the_Past_to_Determine_if_there_is_Room_for_a_Modern_Criminal_Defence_of_Brainwashing
That looks interesting Christy. Thanks for the link.
I’m so glad you found that it might be interesting Kasumii. I always love your comments. The Patty Hearst/SLA bank robbery happened when I was young and impressionable and jump started a life long fascination with our human mind. The paper references lots of other sources, so it’s something that will take me awhile to work my way through. My hope is that we will see a day before we destroy earth that we figure out how to prevent genocide at the hands of murderous demagogues empowered by their followers. Neuroscience will light the path.
Thanks for this citation. Can't wait to read it. the whole Patty Hearst situation was really bizarre and interesting.
Thank you for the compliment Christy. I appreciate that.
It will take me a few days to read the article & then let it all percolate - it definitely looks interesting.
Fundamentalism, regardless of particular stripe, creates tremendous challenges for children raised in such horrid circumstances. Although I escaped at 15, that is unusual. So many people become trapped in the lies. We are ever so amazing for having gotten out. Truly, cheers for us, survivors, nay, thrivers, in life. Thanks for a thoughtful conversation. And endless blessings upon us all.