Do you have data on how many Sanders supporters would not vote for Clinton? Sanders endorsed Clinton despite being treated badly by the DNC (Schultz,was forced to resign over it). Earlier poll showed that nether Trump nor Clinton was striking a chord with voters (which is probably why Sanders did well). Plus, I think even Trump was surpr…
Do you have data on how many Sanders supporters would not vote for Clinton? Sanders endorsed Clinton despite being treated badly by the DNC (Schultz,was forced to resign over it). Earlier poll showed that nether Trump nor Clinton was striking a chord with voters (which is probably why Sanders did well). Plus, I think even Trump was surprised when he actually won. He seemed as though he was. I Knew the race would be a bit scary, but the dominant expectation seemed to be that Trump would not win. I don't think that the Democrats will be quite so relaxed about it this time around.
I agree with J L Graham that “even Trump was surprised when he actually won.”
I’ve always felt like Trump’s whole organization was taken by surprise when he won. I stayed up all night watching in disbelief yet couldn’t help notice the organized chaos as his family gathered on-stage for his “acceptance” speech. To a person their expressions ranged from excited disbelief to confusion to even a bit of deer-in-the-headlight’s shock. The body language was so telling. Then to learn that he had no transition team set up, no plan for cabinet picks, none of the typical preparations had been made to transition from campaign to administration.
Perhaps the only good than has grown from this painful time period is that NOW more citizens are paying attention and, better yet, more have become active participants in the election process. Even when “joy” carries us over the finish line in November we can’t ever again let ourselves become politically apathetic.
I don't believe I have ever seen Trump more shocked than when he realized he "won."
And we all lost.
I thought my wife and I had voted for Hillary, but she finally admitted she voted for someone other than Trump or Hillary (probably Jill Stein). That was a very delayed shock for me, but seems too common for people that even bothered to vote.
I do wonder how many, and where, more votes than the 2,864,985 Hillary won the Popular Vote by would have been needed, and how few more in red states would have been enough to win the outdated Electoral College vote.
I'll never again submit a protest vote like when I wrote in Sheila Bair in California (where it seemed not to make a bit of difference in the 2004 election).
My son was a Bernie supporter in 2016 and voted Mickey Mouse despite all our discussions. There was nothing I could say to change his mind. As we live in Minnesota it was likely not consequential, but reflected the feelings of his on line community. He is very excited about the Harris campaign which gives me hope. It kills me that Mr bone spurs and the typewriter marine are trying to discredit Walz's military record. As Walz would say "give me a break".
I have only anecdotal data: The dozen or so BernieBros that I know all sat the entire election out. I have maintained contact with about half of them, and only two have acknowledged that I was right when I said that the 2016 election was more about SCOTUS than who was elected President.
That has not been my experience, but, especially now in retirement, my contacts are not many. In the primaries, Sanders delegate total was not that far from Clinton's, especially in terns of non-"Superdelegates", so clearly it was not a majority of those voters who initially supported Sanders who did not ultimately vote for Clinton. Also, it's more work than I want to take on, but my suspicion is that some most contested states would not have been big on Sanders support compared to others that might have been less Trump friendly anyway, but that's only me speculating. With our anti-democratic EC, not all votes are equal to others.
Do you have data on how many Sanders supporters would not vote for Clinton? Sanders endorsed Clinton despite being treated badly by the DNC (Schultz,was forced to resign over it). Earlier poll showed that nether Trump nor Clinton was striking a chord with voters (which is probably why Sanders did well). Plus, I think even Trump was surprised when he actually won. He seemed as though he was. I Knew the race would be a bit scary, but the dominant expectation seemed to be that Trump would not win. I don't think that the Democrats will be quite so relaxed about it this time around.
I agree with J L Graham that “even Trump was surprised when he actually won.”
I’ve always felt like Trump’s whole organization was taken by surprise when he won. I stayed up all night watching in disbelief yet couldn’t help notice the organized chaos as his family gathered on-stage for his “acceptance” speech. To a person their expressions ranged from excited disbelief to confusion to even a bit of deer-in-the-headlight’s shock. The body language was so telling. Then to learn that he had no transition team set up, no plan for cabinet picks, none of the typical preparations had been made to transition from campaign to administration.
Perhaps the only good than has grown from this painful time period is that NOW more citizens are paying attention and, better yet, more have become active participants in the election process. Even when “joy” carries us over the finish line in November we can’t ever again let ourselves become politically apathetic.
I don't believe I have ever seen Trump more shocked than when he realized he "won."
And we all lost.
I thought my wife and I had voted for Hillary, but she finally admitted she voted for someone other than Trump or Hillary (probably Jill Stein). That was a very delayed shock for me, but seems too common for people that even bothered to vote.
I do wonder how many, and where, more votes than the 2,864,985 Hillary won the Popular Vote by would have been needed, and how few more in red states would have been enough to win the outdated Electoral College vote.
I'll never again submit a protest vote like when I wrote in Sheila Bair in California (where it seemed not to make a bit of difference in the 2004 election).
My son was a Bernie supporter in 2016 and voted Mickey Mouse despite all our discussions. There was nothing I could say to change his mind. As we live in Minnesota it was likely not consequential, but reflected the feelings of his on line community. He is very excited about the Harris campaign which gives me hope. It kills me that Mr bone spurs and the typewriter marine are trying to discredit Walz's military record. As Walz would say "give me a break".
I have only anecdotal data: The dozen or so BernieBros that I know all sat the entire election out. I have maintained contact with about half of them, and only two have acknowledged that I was right when I said that the 2016 election was more about SCOTUS than who was elected President.
That has not been my experience, but, especially now in retirement, my contacts are not many. In the primaries, Sanders delegate total was not that far from Clinton's, especially in terns of non-"Superdelegates", so clearly it was not a majority of those voters who initially supported Sanders who did not ultimately vote for Clinton. Also, it's more work than I want to take on, but my suspicion is that some most contested states would not have been big on Sanders support compared to others that might have been less Trump friendly anyway, but that's only me speculating. With our anti-democratic EC, not all votes are equal to others.