I think they truly believe that there are people who deserve and people who are undeserving. It is the basis of all bigotry and allows events like the Holocaust to occur.
The most disturbing aspect, I believe in Heather's post today is the RED MAPPING! The Republicans have been playing the long game. The Democrats, I believe, think if the…
I think they truly believe that there are people who deserve and people who are undeserving. It is the basis of all bigotry and allows events like the Holocaust to occur.
The most disturbing aspect, I believe in Heather's post today is the RED MAPPING! The Republicans have been playing the long game. The Democrats, I believe, think if they hold the Congress and the Presidency long enough they can get it all straightened out.
Unfortunately, Susan, the Republicans have honed their skill by marching in lockstep to force their views on all of us. Democrats are a more fractious group, and want to believe that all of us will manage to see the light and agree with our vision of inclusion and fairness. We're not there - yet.
Even if we are not fractured, their vote fraud alone with Gerrymandering and removing people from the voting rolls, last minute so they don't have time to straighten it out is the way they steal elections. The Nazi's rose to power when Germans didn't even really know what democracy was. Weimar Germany was their first time having a democratic government and that time period was so fraught with post war poverty from the rebuilding and the 33 billion dollar reparations they were charged, and the political fighting amongst the groups that were elected by the people, that they did not really get a chance to learn what a healthy democracy could be before accepting Hitler as their dictator since he promised to help them out of the economic catastrophe that the US stock market crash caused for the German economy. They had had exactly 15 years of Democracy in their entire history. Republicans come from a much longer history of democracy with none of this economic disaster and are still embracing a strong man promising to save them from their misery. It seems that they are just miserable people and in need of therapy, not Trump. The agenda and the people seem very disturbed by modern standards. Their goals all seems very medieval.
Linda, the manipulators of the GOP use their world view to convince their minions to do their bidding and fill their coffers. I agree with you that Germany's economy post-WWI, aggravated by the depression made them vulnerable to Hitler, and that we have no such exculpatory excuses for the embrace of Trump and his influencers. My guess is that this country's racist tendencies, in addition to many people refusing to accept any information other than what they see in social media or conservative television, makes many susceptible to false narrative. I just hate paying the consequences for their ignorance.
Don’t forget that our public education system was attacked by the Kochs and their ilk years ago. We have lost teaching sources, thought and tolerance, and our universities have become job training centers. “Shop” is gone from high schools as is home economics, which puts US at the mercy of corporate power and Madison Avenue.
I'm well aware of the attempts to gut public schools. "Moderate" Gov. Brian Kemp here in Georgia just signed into law a new school voucher bill for "underperforming public schools," giving parents @ $7,500 annually to send their children to private schools - yet another instance of undermining public education, rather than giving much needed financial aid to public education. Why would his ilk be concerned with preparing young people with skills that everyone really can use, whether or not they choose a university education or a trade to make a living?
There is a odd notion that the older an idea is the more true it is. While the persistence of ideas is worth noticing, it is not reliable evidence of truth. Relativity, women's suffrage, and antibiotics were all in place before I was born, but a great many aspects of human understanding have changed within my lifetime nevertheless, with substantial backing of logic and evidence, and a lot of aspects of the "good old days", while there were aspects worth preserving, were most definitely not so good. Authoritarians in the Supreme Court claim their interpretations are authentic because they claim to channel the minds of the framers, or even much older jurists, but the documents the framers penned does not credit them personally as the final authorities, but rather the public's endorsement of the PRINCIPLES they developed, with an understanding that the work remains in progress.
“Republicans from a much longer history of democracy”! Please amplify!
In North Carolina, those claiming the Republican label were formerly the southern democrats enthralled with Reagan who were also segregationists at heart!
The USA has officially been conceived as a "democracy" even if what that means has changed with the times. It is also does not mean that everyone within it is or supports democracy. Clearly Southern Democrats were not supporting of many of our democratic institutions. However, we are a country where the people elect representation, we do not have a monarch over us who is either appointed by other royalty, or the church, or inherits the job. In that we are a democracy since we revolted against King George and choose to have a different form of governance.
I'm not sure it's so much that Dems are "fractured" as that we are diverse. The rethugs are able to achieve their repulsive goals by marching - and having marched, for decades - in lockstep, which Dems do not. IMO, Dems acknowledge that different groups included within the Dem Party have some goals that are at odds with, or slow down or interfere in the achieving of, other groups within the Dem Party - and money is an issue as well, of course. We seem to be unable to work on a single goal at a time, because obvs there are SO MANY things we are called upon RIGHT NOW to undo and fix. I don't know what the solution would look like.
I agree with you, Lynn. I just hope that our many factions will put their differing goals aside long enough to not give in to the fatigue of the last eight years, and unite to give us a large enough majority to break the log jam. Primary should be the goal of righting the heavy listing of SCOTUS.
All the comments above give the dems a place to hide as they've been hiding for decades allowing all these policies to take place. Again, I will mention Howard Dean and his 50 state strategy that dems never tried and now republicans run roughshot over them.
Susan, they are certainly making the AntiChrist real in the person of death star. What we have is an already uncivil society becoming much worse once death star gave everyone carte blanche to be their worst selves. And in terms of execution, it doesn't even have to be explicit. Just ask Thomas Beckett. I think death star and his minions are experts at stirring the pot and letting others do the dirty deeds.
As I have maintained for a long time, the progressives have been resting on their laurels from the "progress" of the 60s and 70s while the fascist spawn of the 1939 coup attempt have been working diligently ever since for their next oppottunity. We have been asleep at the wheel far too long trying to make everyone feel good that it is now almost too late to save ourselves.
All the books written and publications screaming about all this have gone unread or been dismissed.
I could go on and on.....Their next opportunity is NOW!!
I think Satan is a personification of our own self-centered impulse gone beyond the bounds of "enlightened self interest"; when we cease to care if others are harmed by our behavior, or tell ourselves we are superior because of it. Was the deliberate separation and failure to track children of immigrants the work of a goat-horned supernatural monster, or antisocial human psychology? We have met the enemy and he is us. It's the same "GOP" either way.
I think they truly believe that there are people who deserve and people who are undeserving. It is the basis of all bigotry and allows events like the Holocaust to occur.
The most disturbing aspect, I believe in Heather's post today is the RED MAPPING! The Republicans have been playing the long game. The Democrats, I believe, think if they hold the Congress and the Presidency long enough they can get it all straightened out.
If Satan is real....he has a firm grip on the GOP
Unfortunately, Susan, the Republicans have honed their skill by marching in lockstep to force their views on all of us. Democrats are a more fractious group, and want to believe that all of us will manage to see the light and agree with our vision of inclusion and fairness. We're not there - yet.
Even if we are not fractured, their vote fraud alone with Gerrymandering and removing people from the voting rolls, last minute so they don't have time to straighten it out is the way they steal elections. The Nazi's rose to power when Germans didn't even really know what democracy was. Weimar Germany was their first time having a democratic government and that time period was so fraught with post war poverty from the rebuilding and the 33 billion dollar reparations they were charged, and the political fighting amongst the groups that were elected by the people, that they did not really get a chance to learn what a healthy democracy could be before accepting Hitler as their dictator since he promised to help them out of the economic catastrophe that the US stock market crash caused for the German economy. They had had exactly 15 years of Democracy in their entire history. Republicans come from a much longer history of democracy with none of this economic disaster and are still embracing a strong man promising to save them from their misery. It seems that they are just miserable people and in need of therapy, not Trump. The agenda and the people seem very disturbed by modern standards. Their goals all seems very medieval.
Linda, the manipulators of the GOP use their world view to convince their minions to do their bidding and fill their coffers. I agree with you that Germany's economy post-WWI, aggravated by the depression made them vulnerable to Hitler, and that we have no such exculpatory excuses for the embrace of Trump and his influencers. My guess is that this country's racist tendencies, in addition to many people refusing to accept any information other than what they see in social media or conservative television, makes many susceptible to false narrative. I just hate paying the consequences for their ignorance.
Don’t forget that our public education system was attacked by the Kochs and their ilk years ago. We have lost teaching sources, thought and tolerance, and our universities have become job training centers. “Shop” is gone from high schools as is home economics, which puts US at the mercy of corporate power and Madison Avenue.
I'm well aware of the attempts to gut public schools. "Moderate" Gov. Brian Kemp here in Georgia just signed into law a new school voucher bill for "underperforming public schools," giving parents @ $7,500 annually to send their children to private schools - yet another instance of undermining public education, rather than giving much needed financial aid to public education. Why would his ilk be concerned with preparing young people with skills that everyone really can use, whether or not they choose a university education or a trade to make a living?
Thank you for throwing in private schools. This is a reversion to 1954 , racist and divisive!
Yup - everything old is new again.
Nancy, I totally agree with you!
There is a odd notion that the older an idea is the more true it is. While the persistence of ideas is worth noticing, it is not reliable evidence of truth. Relativity, women's suffrage, and antibiotics were all in place before I was born, but a great many aspects of human understanding have changed within my lifetime nevertheless, with substantial backing of logic and evidence, and a lot of aspects of the "good old days", while there were aspects worth preserving, were most definitely not so good. Authoritarians in the Supreme Court claim their interpretations are authentic because they claim to channel the minds of the framers, or even much older jurists, but the documents the framers penned does not credit them personally as the final authorities, but rather the public's endorsement of the PRINCIPLES they developed, with an understanding that the work remains in progress.
“Republicans from a much longer history of democracy”! Please amplify!
In North Carolina, those claiming the Republican label were formerly the southern democrats enthralled with Reagan who were also segregationists at heart!
The USA has officially been conceived as a "democracy" even if what that means has changed with the times. It is also does not mean that everyone within it is or supports democracy. Clearly Southern Democrats were not supporting of many of our democratic institutions. However, we are a country where the people elect representation, we do not have a monarch over us who is either appointed by other royalty, or the church, or inherits the job. In that we are a democracy since we revolted against King George and choose to have a different form of governance.
I'm not sure it's so much that Dems are "fractured" as that we are diverse. The rethugs are able to achieve their repulsive goals by marching - and having marched, for decades - in lockstep, which Dems do not. IMO, Dems acknowledge that different groups included within the Dem Party have some goals that are at odds with, or slow down or interfere in the achieving of, other groups within the Dem Party - and money is an issue as well, of course. We seem to be unable to work on a single goal at a time, because obvs there are SO MANY things we are called upon RIGHT NOW to undo and fix. I don't know what the solution would look like.
I agree with you, Lynn. I just hope that our many factions will put their differing goals aside long enough to not give in to the fatigue of the last eight years, and unite to give us a large enough majority to break the log jam. Primary should be the goal of righting the heavy listing of SCOTUS.
All the comments above give the dems a place to hide as they've been hiding for decades allowing all these policies to take place. Again, I will mention Howard Dean and his 50 state strategy that dems never tried and now republicans run roughshot over them.
Too many have been relying on the guardrails, which we've discovered no longer exist.
Susan, they are certainly making the AntiChrist real in the person of death star. What we have is an already uncivil society becoming much worse once death star gave everyone carte blanche to be their worst selves. And in terms of execution, it doesn't even have to be explicit. Just ask Thomas Beckett. I think death star and his minions are experts at stirring the pot and letting others do the dirty deeds.
As I have maintained for a long time, the progressives have been resting on their laurels from the "progress" of the 60s and 70s while the fascist spawn of the 1939 coup attempt have been working diligently ever since for their next oppottunity. We have been asleep at the wheel far too long trying to make everyone feel good that it is now almost too late to save ourselves.
All the books written and publications screaming about all this have gone unread or been dismissed.
I could go on and on.....Their next opportunity is NOW!!
Iany suggestions on how to fight back? We have to think as individuals and join others in our fight!
I think Satan is a personification of our own self-centered impulse gone beyond the bounds of "enlightened self interest"; when we cease to care if others are harmed by our behavior, or tell ourselves we are superior because of it. Was the deliberate separation and failure to track children of immigrants the work of a goat-horned supernatural monster, or antisocial human psychology? We have met the enemy and he is us. It's the same "GOP" either way.
And rotund Billy is sprouting a tail and devil ears to be the mascot!