McCarthy and the 20 MAGAts should be arrested on treason charges, since they work with our enemies. Arrest 20-30 of the worst MAGAts and the rest will crawl back into the dark places they crawled out of. And Biden should say Fuck The Debt Ceiling and cite his oath of office to see the laws are faithfully executed the the constitution protected, pointing to the 14th Amendment which directs that the national debt of the United States shall not be questioned.
The Republican Congress are traitors to the United States of America. Not one of them refuted Marge 3 names defense of the traitor who shared classified information on Social media because according to Marge he was white, male and Christian. Well you’re a mental giant Marge! None of the Magas in congress have any redeeming qualities. They are just following Bannon’s directive to deconstruct the institutions of democracy. And what better way than to default on our debt and put the country in financial collapse and chaos.
Bannon wants to destroy the institutions of democracy. His calls to destroy our institutions are equivalent to setting one's house on fire, then being upset at having no place to live. He is an anarchist, whose only goal is chaos.
Sorry, Bannon is not an anarchist, he is a fascist. We need to call out the GOP on this point - they’re not “conservatives,” “alt-right,” “MAGA Republicans” - they’re fascists.
Yes, AND they are top of the pile of international criminals and they are committing treason . Why is Bannon and his cartel not as dangerous as those who produce Fentanyl? His actions and his followers are as deadly as any chemical. Arrest the slime! Make it stick.
Agreed. And Bannon is not the only one, he just articulated the most succinctly the method and the goal. However, what I am focusing on now is that Bannon & ilk believe Chaos will bring about a return to white supremacist patriarchy. But it has also activated a LOT of ordinary Americas who say “NO Way!” We are (many for the first time) starting to pay attention and think about how to put the “Civil” back in “Civil Society”, HOW a government works and For Whom, WHY our institutions are important, AND that aspirationally, We Still Do Strive To Be “WE THE PEOPLE”. So maybe the chaotic times will yield a large step towards a better society, from being brought to the brink of maga’s “carnage vision”?
I am reading a bio of Catherine de Medici and I have just finished the section on the St. Bartholomew Day Massacre. Yes, it resulted in many Protestants being killed, but it was also anarchy once the mob got going. People settled old scores and some saw the opportunity to steal from others amidst the chaos. I was thinking that this is what we could have should the Rs prevail and see to it that their minions are well armed. At that time it was an effort by Catherine to save the Valois family and for others to get revenge. Now it is an effort by those at the top with the help of white Christian nationalists to sow discord and give us a Christian theocracy with a white patriarchal dictatorship. I do take heart from what I read here from most of the posters that we will fight this tooth and nail.
No. TN enhances the devotion of 99% of people who vote Republican because TN proudly exhibits GOP devotion to the only important “value” of 99% of people who vote Republican. That “value” is white supremacism. No significant fraction of Republican voters can be dissuaded from their core “value.” They will have to be outvoted by the rest of us. There are just barely enough of us to outvote them, so all of us will have to cast votes in every race in every election.
Bannon is a criminal, and he should be treated as such. That kid was arrested for releasing documents showing Ukraine is corrupt. Since the current President of Ukraine got elected on an anti-corruption platform, and was then not taken in by the Trump administration’s attempts to pressure Ukraine into doing political dirty work for the Trump campaign, it’s hardly a state secret. Why can’t Bannon be arrested on similar charges based on Cambridge Analytical dealings? And locked up? And his fortune and property by taken to pay for the harm he caused? There are notable differences between true political believers, and criminals running a long con. The world will be better off when we start treating criminals like criminals, you know what I mean?
Bannon''s not an anarchist. He's a nihilist. His goal is to destroy every trace of institutional governance, and "free" everybody from the constraints imposed by society itself. Nihilists aren't interested in anything other than their own ends.
Anarchism is different. The objective of anarchy is to keep a very close eye on the operating institutions, and at the point where those institutional powers stop performing for the benefit of the majority, tear them down to the point right before the performance failed, and then rebuild from that point. I admit that the distinction is sometimes lost in the chaos that erupts out of both factions, but it's an important one to remember.
Bannon is a nihilist, worthy of Ayn Rand's admiration.
Bannon has admitted he's a chaos agent and welcomes economic apocalypse. Both he and Trump made statements to that effect on Fox News. People on Twitter were posting the video clips. Yet media continue to treat him like he's just another "Republican strategist".
What I am about to say is below the belt but, perhaps Mr. Brannon would not be so unpleasant and repulsive and,disruptive if he had a good shower and decent haircut. And believe me I am no polished Beau Brummell. However after a shower and hair comb and tooth brushing, well I feel so much better and gosh darn people seem to like me.
No.. no.., TC. Biden and all of us should refrain from using the "F" word, "screw" and the enjoyable experience it may or may not imply, should also be avoided. Both words/expressions have no place in public speech, in a civil society. Nor should it be picked up on a 'hot mic'... show some class (restraint). Let's agree on that. Hohohhoo, I hear the laughter. Showing my age, or maybe I was naive, but as a kid in the 40's or 50's the "F-bomb" was not part of 'public speaking', I sure didn't hear girls in school or adult(girls) using it openly. Jussst sayin :))
I promised to stop using the F word if Trump lost to Biden. I'm doing about 95% good. Hope to eradicate the habit into my old age dementia, so I don't have to sit in at a separate table for dinner in the nursing home some day.
I raised two sons to manhood, all by myself. What they didn’t hear at home, they learned on the school bus.Too many swears, too deeply embedded to root them out. See you guys at lunch, if the table isn’t too crowded. 😉😂👍🏻
Mim, I learned to cuss in Georgia, before I left for Buffalo. Like most learning experiences, it’s most effective when done early. 😉
There’s this other thing, though. I also grew up being told that “young ladies don’t talk like that.” Of course, NO ONE ever said that to the boys. That right there is what set me on the path.
Going to have to join the table but not only use the “f” word but tend to say what I think. I may be the one sitting by myself with a basset hound in the corner. But at 75 not about to change
It's such a versatile word that suits any occasion or description. I would have trouble letting it go. I find it especially useful when screaming at the television when Republicans appear. Nevertheless, I admire your restraint!
I tend to conjugate it to fit the situation...it's much easier than trying to figure out how to use "bigly", although a friend of mine and I have a running joke and contest for that one...please count me in at the table!
I fully support using the Large set of words offered by the English language minus the F word.
I remember when us 7th grade boys started using that word a bit at school.
One of our female teachers heard one of us and stopped class.
“You boys sound like the trash you will become if you talk like that. You bunch of boys want to be real men? Learn to talk like real men.
Then. She said. “Plus, if you f*kers keep this talk up you are all headed to Tullis (our coach) for a lesson.” Tullis used a baseball bat on us if we got out of line.
The F word sounded so horrible to us when our teacher said it. So bad.
I pretty much have not used the word since.
Clearly. TC did not meet Tullis in the 7th Grade. Sorta too bad really.
Tullis was good at teaching manners to the juvenile mind.
I stopped most swearing when I was in the Army. I heard women around me using and it sounded so trashy - just like you said. I vowed not to sound like that. So it rarely escapes from my lips.
Thinking back to my own parents who raised 5 kids from the 50s through the 80s, I can’t remember either of them EVER using the F word. Never! I might have heard my mother say the S word a couple times - widely separated by years. And I only heard my father toot once (he didn’t know I was nearby). Times were different back then.
Strangely Sylvia, when a (adult) girl to whom I am physically attracted, uses that word, it tends to 'turn-me-on'..., yeah.., arousing a desire.., 'the desire' to "fuck" her. And oftentimes that opportunity later seems to present itself. As a 'psych E' I'm sure you understand this. Of course most "girls" are no doubt unaware of the UN-intended consequences their use of the "f" words might bring.., huh? That's okay. I'm just relating my experience over the past 79 years. I'm looking forward to the next 79.
It's not a strategy, just a tactic. Using the "F-bomb" is really very effective, but only if it's used seldomly, and is preferably perceived as being out of character. Then, it can add a punch, but that punch that gets robbed with everyday usage.
You are correct. The F-bomb, sparingly used by an otherwise well-spoken person, has effect. Used in every other sentence, it has little effect. Use it sparingly but pungently.
So true. In the near future, the autocomplete function will supply it (especially the participle form) whenever you type an f on your keyboard. You will have to proofread carefully to make sure you wrote “fuchsia” or “fugitive” or “funny” as you meant to.
I agree society is getting a little too 'trash mouth'. I've been saying the F word a lot lately myself. People today don't seem to understand 'nuanced' language so maybe they need to hear 'exactly' how I'm feeling. :)
It's tough not to sink to that level. Sometimes a cold stare and a moment of silence is stronger. And, "sometimes" those "moments" seem to last for a lot longer than a moment. I like your description, ie., nuanced language. Isn't 'that' the truth!
I am 77 and even I have used these words lately. I agree with you. Our sense of decency (not I’m better than you) is at stake. Powerful words are not dirty words. Powerful words are cohesive and accepting! They bring a sense of “better” to the conversations we so need to have.
I too have wondered at the use of “_uck”in our every minute conversations! Leave mr.” F” behind and all we have is “uck”!
Aren’t we all sick of living in “UCK” !
It is related to “standards”. We either have them or we agree to being without choice.
I will “clean up “ my choice of conversation. Thank you for making me think!🤗👏🏻🎶
Heck, it's just a word. And, frankly, a very impactful one in the right setting. It would be just like Democrats to make this word a cause, thereby ignoring all the issues that matter.
Yes sir! It becomes difficullt to claim civility, thoughtfulness, and steady navigation to a goal when immature trash talk flows out the brain and through the tunnel of the mourh.
Though agreeing with you totally, as one who used the f word and other expletives rarely before 2015, I find that the circumstances require using the vocabulary to let off steam.
Harriet, to accomplish that, we'd need to remove the Empty Greenes, Lauren Boeberts, Matt Gaetzes, TFGs, and the rest of the Rethuglicans from circulation, and that doesn't appear to be possible at this point. My goal is to refrain from cursing in public, while I continue to decompress in front of the television or reading the newspaper.
TC, As I posted in a different thread, because there is no precedent for invoking the 14th to raise the debt ceiling, litigation invariably would follow that likely would work its way to the Supreme Court. I imagine, in the interim, that the immediate global consequences of defaulting on our loan payments could be devastating.
Accordingly, because much of the electorate neither are aware of the economic calamity that would ensue nor that raising the debt ceiling merely gives the government permission to pay back the money we’ve already borrowed, I would advise we press our public officials and the media repeatedly to drive home these points.
McCarthy and the 20 MAGAts should be arrested on treason charges, since they work with our enemies. Arrest 20-30 of the worst MAGAts and the rest will crawl back into the dark places they crawled out of. And Biden should say Fuck The Debt Ceiling and cite his oath of office to see the laws are faithfully executed the the constitution protected, pointing to the 14th Amendment which directs that the national debt of the United States shall not be questioned.
The Republican Congress are traitors to the United States of America. Not one of them refuted Marge 3 names defense of the traitor who shared classified information on Social media because according to Marge he was white, male and Christian. Well you’re a mental giant Marge! None of the Magas in congress have any redeeming qualities. They are just following Bannon’s directive to deconstruct the institutions of democracy. And what better way than to default on our debt and put the country in financial collapse and chaos.
Bannon wants to destroy the institutions of democracy. His calls to destroy our institutions are equivalent to setting one's house on fire, then being upset at having no place to live. He is an anarchist, whose only goal is chaos.
Sorry, Bannon is not an anarchist, he is a fascist. We need to call out the GOP on this point - they’re not “conservatives,” “alt-right,” “MAGA Republicans” - they’re fascists.
Yes, AND they are top of the pile of international criminals and they are committing treason . Why is Bannon and his cartel not as dangerous as those who produce Fentanyl? His actions and his followers are as deadly as any chemical. Arrest the slime! Make it stick.
Well said! They are indeed as fatal as fentanyl.
Now always the party of death in so many ways.
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Jenn & Mitchell….maybe both…hmmm a “farchist”?
Barbara, more like fascists like Bannon saying “let’s create anarchy so we can take over under cover of chaos.”
Hard to believe that man is free to blather his hate.
Bannon actually described himself as a "leninist." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/bannon-leninist-destroy-state/
Snopes then disproved the comment however found other similar sentiments.
Agreed. And Bannon is not the only one, he just articulated the most succinctly the method and the goal. However, what I am focusing on now is that Bannon & ilk believe Chaos will bring about a return to white supremacist patriarchy. But it has also activated a LOT of ordinary Americas who say “NO Way!” We are (many for the first time) starting to pay attention and think about how to put the “Civil” back in “Civil Society”, HOW a government works and For Whom, WHY our institutions are important, AND that aspirationally, We Still Do Strive To Be “WE THE PEOPLE”. So maybe the chaotic times will yield a large step towards a better society, from being brought to the brink of maga’s “carnage vision”?
Have Bannon and Trump awakened the "sleeping giant" that is democracy in the US?
We can hope and be forces for organization!
🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
I am reading a bio of Catherine de Medici and I have just finished the section on the St. Bartholomew Day Massacre. Yes, it resulted in many Protestants being killed, but it was also anarchy once the mob got going. People settled old scores and some saw the opportunity to steal from others amidst the chaos. I was thinking that this is what we could have should the Rs prevail and see to it that their minions are well armed. At that time it was an effort by Catherine to save the Valois family and for others to get revenge. Now it is an effort by those at the top with the help of white Christian nationalists to sow discord and give us a Christian theocracy with a white patriarchal dictatorship. I do take heart from what I read here from most of the posters that we will fight this tooth and nail.
That “brink” will yield a large step towards a destroyed society. Chaotic times or a carnage vision may impress some, but only the MAGAts, I fear.
TN. Could that be the turning point?
No. TN enhances the devotion of 99% of people who vote Republican because TN proudly exhibits GOP devotion to the only important “value” of 99% of people who vote Republican. That “value” is white supremacism. No significant fraction of Republican voters can be dissuaded from their core “value.” They will have to be outvoted by the rest of us. There are just barely enough of us to outvote them, so all of us will have to cast votes in every race in every election.
You say the darndest things, Rex. All true and right on the money. I get such a kick out of your drops.
I thought it might be... but how do you say a 'turning point' in slow motion...?
Bannon is a criminal, and he should be treated as such. That kid was arrested for releasing documents showing Ukraine is corrupt. Since the current President of Ukraine got elected on an anti-corruption platform, and was then not taken in by the Trump administration’s attempts to pressure Ukraine into doing political dirty work for the Trump campaign, it’s hardly a state secret. Why can’t Bannon be arrested on similar charges based on Cambridge Analytical dealings? And locked up? And his fortune and property by taken to pay for the harm he caused? There are notable differences between true political believers, and criminals running a long con. The world will be better off when we start treating criminals like criminals, you know what I mean?
Bannon''s not an anarchist. He's a nihilist. His goal is to destroy every trace of institutional governance, and "free" everybody from the constraints imposed by society itself. Nihilists aren't interested in anything other than their own ends.
Anarchism is different. The objective of anarchy is to keep a very close eye on the operating institutions, and at the point where those institutional powers stop performing for the benefit of the majority, tear them down to the point right before the performance failed, and then rebuild from that point. I admit that the distinction is sometimes lost in the chaos that erupts out of both factions, but it's an important one to remember.
Bannon is a nihilist, worthy of Ayn Rand's admiration.
Bannon has admitted he's a chaos agent and welcomes economic apocalypse. Both he and Trump made statements to that effect on Fox News. People on Twitter were posting the video clips. Yet media continue to treat him like he's just another "Republican strategist".
I can't understand why SB isn't in jail yet?
Marge 3 names? Do you mean Empty Greene?
I do like that; I had a trainee who went by his middle name, but his initials were MT. We often called him "Empty O".
Well done Jon.
I'm sure "marge three names" refers to Mega Traitor Greene. The hits just keep on coming.
What I am about to say is below the belt but, perhaps Mr. Brannon would not be so unpleasant and repulsive and,disruptive if he had a good shower and decent haircut. And believe me I am no polished Beau Brummell. However after a shower and hair comb and tooth brushing, well I feel so much better and gosh darn people seem to like me.
🤣🤣🤣
"Well you’re a mental giant Marge!"
No.
Not because I disagree with you but because treason than becomes a charge regular Americans disregard. Like racist or homophobic.
Wait until the DOJ starts charging people at the Congressional level. Lord knows even Merrick Garland has to do something sooner or later.
Indictments are better than accusations.
No.. no.., TC. Biden and all of us should refrain from using the "F" word, "screw" and the enjoyable experience it may or may not imply, should also be avoided. Both words/expressions have no place in public speech, in a civil society. Nor should it be picked up on a 'hot mic'... show some class (restraint). Let's agree on that. Hohohhoo, I hear the laughter. Showing my age, or maybe I was naive, but as a kid in the 40's or 50's the "F-bomb" was not part of 'public speaking', I sure didn't hear girls in school or adult(girls) using it openly. Jussst sayin :))
I promised to stop using the F word if Trump lost to Biden. I'm doing about 95% good. Hope to eradicate the habit into my old age dementia, so I don't have to sit in at a separate table for dinner in the nursing home some day.
I’ll be at that table with you, lol. My Millennial daughters drop F- bombs left and right. I blame them for my bad habit. 🤣🤬😎.
I raised two sons to manhood, all by myself. What they didn’t hear at home, they learned on the school bus.Too many swears, too deeply embedded to root them out. See you guys at lunch, if the table isn’t too crowded. 😉😂👍🏻
Me too? (I never did leave my New York cuss mouth when I came to Georgia.)
Mim, I learned to cuss in Georgia, before I left for Buffalo. Like most learning experiences, it’s most effective when done early. 😉
There’s this other thing, though. I also grew up being told that “young ladies don’t talk like that.” Of course, NO ONE ever said that to the boys. That right there is what set me on the path.
Y’all have me laughing! Save me a space too!
Can I join the table too? 😵💫🤬
Hehehe, of course!!
Going to have to join the table but not only use the “f” word but tend to say what I think. I may be the one sitting by myself with a basset hound in the corner. But at 75 not about to change
Move over everybody causing I’m scootching myself at the table too!
SAME, Sheila. I knew I liked you!!
💙
We're gonna need a really BIG table.....
Yes, because a better substitute for that word has not yet been invented.
Nurse friend of mine during Covid--"I have used that word more in the last year than I have in my entire lifetime"
If you watched tv series The Good Place, recall the word Fork and Forked was used. Makes a good substitute.
It's such a versatile word that suits any occasion or description. I would have trouble letting it go. I find it especially useful when screaming at the television when Republicans appear. Nevertheless, I admire your restraint!
Agree! It gives me great pleasure to say “F#€k Off” to the repugs as they spout their lies each and every time their lips move.
I should have known my spouse and I weren’t alone! 😁🤬🤗
Karen Estby, I agree! Sometimes there just isn't a better word to use these days!
I’m trying to replace it with “fire truck.” Limited success so far.
Jodi Taylor reader, perchance?
Why yes, how did you know 😂
I believe there will be a lot of us at that table! And it will be a place of honor for all Democracy Defenders!
The F word was heard often in a memory care unit with which I was familiar.
I'm glad I didn't make that promise. I would have failed miserably.
I tend to conjugate it to fit the situation...it's much easier than trying to figure out how to use "bigly", although a friend of mine and I have a running joke and contest for that one...please count me in at the table!
By the time you're in a nursing home, you'll be surrounded by people who don't even know you're not supposed to use it.
Bless you! That’s the best. On the other hand, you may liven up some nursing homes if you slip.
✊😂
I fully support using the Large set of words offered by the English language minus the F word.
I remember when us 7th grade boys started using that word a bit at school.
One of our female teachers heard one of us and stopped class.
“You boys sound like the trash you will become if you talk like that. You bunch of boys want to be real men? Learn to talk like real men.
Then. She said. “Plus, if you f*kers keep this talk up you are all headed to Tullis (our coach) for a lesson.” Tullis used a baseball bat on us if we got out of line.
The F word sounded so horrible to us when our teacher said it. So bad.
I pretty much have not used the word since.
Clearly. TC did not meet Tullis in the 7th Grade. Sorta too bad really.
Tullis was good at teaching manners to the juvenile mind.
I stopped most swearing when I was in the Army. I heard women around me using and it sounded so trashy - just like you said. I vowed not to sound like that. So it rarely escapes from my lips.
Yeh.. 'The Board' of education had significance "back then".
Thinking back to my own parents who raised 5 kids from the 50s through the 80s, I can’t remember either of them EVER using the F word. Never! I might have heard my mother say the S word a couple times - widely separated by years. And I only heard my father toot once (he didn’t know I was nearby). Times were different back then.
The Tullis story is grand! Thank you, Mike.
Strangely Sylvia, when a (adult) girl to whom I am physically attracted, uses that word, it tends to 'turn-me-on'..., yeah.., arousing a desire.., 'the desire' to "fuck" her. And oftentimes that opportunity later seems to present itself. As a 'psych E' I'm sure you understand this. Of course most "girls" are no doubt unaware of the UN-intended consequences their use of the "f" words might bring.., huh? That's okay. I'm just relating my experience over the past 79 years. I'm looking forward to the next 79.
It's not a strategy, just a tactic. Using the "F-bomb" is really very effective, but only if it's used seldomly, and is preferably perceived as being out of character. Then, it can add a punch, but that punch that gets robbed with everyday usage.
You are correct. The F-bomb, sparingly used by an otherwise well-spoken person, has effect. Used in every other sentence, it has little effect. Use it sparingly but pungently.
Like civet, it's so pungent that a whiff is all that's needed in any setting.
So true. In the near future, the autocomplete function will supply it (especially the participle form) whenever you type an f on your keyboard. You will have to proofread carefully to make sure you wrote “fuchsia” or “fugitive” or “funny” as you meant to.
or "fascist".
Yes, much more effective if it comes as a shock.
I agree society is getting a little too 'trash mouth'. I've been saying the F word a lot lately myself. People today don't seem to understand 'nuanced' language so maybe they need to hear 'exactly' how I'm feeling. :)
It's tough not to sink to that level. Sometimes a cold stare and a moment of silence is stronger. And, "sometimes" those "moments" seem to last for a lot longer than a moment. I like your description, ie., nuanced language. Isn't 'that' the truth!
Dear MadRussian12A,
I am 77 and even I have used these words lately. I agree with you. Our sense of decency (not I’m better than you) is at stake. Powerful words are not dirty words. Powerful words are cohesive and accepting! They bring a sense of “better” to the conversations we so need to have.
I too have wondered at the use of “_uck”in our every minute conversations! Leave mr.” F” behind and all we have is “uck”!
Aren’t we all sick of living in “UCK” !
It is related to “standards”. We either have them or we agree to being without choice.
I will “clean up “ my choice of conversation. Thank you for making me think!🤗👏🏻🎶
I'm 73 yo, and the "F" word is my very favorite expletive! It's just so versatile! :D
Heck, it's just a word. And, frankly, a very impactful one in the right setting. It would be just like Democrats to make this word a cause, thereby ignoring all the issues that matter.
Excellent point sir. Imagine we switch out F --- you for 'Coitus you man!' . Or, 'Go make love to yourself'., How 'bout 'Oh, intercourse it anyway'!
"I would like you to consider an anatomically impossible act of self-impregnation and departure from the earthly premises."
Good one. :)
Nice ring to that one, Ally.
Especially the "departure" part. Actually, skip the self-impregnation, and go directly to the departure. I'll hold the door.
Do not pass Go.
Do not collect $200.
lol
:)
Yes sir! It becomes difficullt to claim civility, thoughtfulness, and steady navigation to a goal when immature trash talk flows out the brain and through the tunnel of the mourh.
Though agreeing with you totally, as one who used the f word and other expletives rarely before 2015, I find that the circumstances require using the vocabulary to let off steam.
Civil discourse is a dead art right now and we need to work hard to transform the negative, disparaging, yelling that is normal now.
Harriet, to accomplish that, we'd need to remove the Empty Greenes, Lauren Boeberts, Matt Gaetzes, TFGs, and the rest of the Rethuglicans from circulation, and that doesn't appear to be possible at this point. My goal is to refrain from cursing in public, while I continue to decompress in front of the television or reading the newspaper.
As a boomer, I agree. While really "felt," the F-Word pejorative detracts. I vote for eloquence and powerful use of the language.
TC, As I posted in a different thread, because there is no precedent for invoking the 14th to raise the debt ceiling, litigation invariably would follow that likely would work its way to the Supreme Court. I imagine, in the interim, that the immediate global consequences of defaulting on our loan payments could be devastating.
Accordingly, because much of the electorate neither are aware of the economic calamity that would ensue nor that raising the debt ceiling merely gives the government permission to pay back the money we’ve already borrowed, I would advise we press our public officials and the media repeatedly to drive home these points.