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Just Sayin''s avatar

Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union for 70 years. I have no doubt that considerable similarities remain. Ukraine has had 30 years to chart it's own path; up until 2013 it followed a path not unlike that of Russia. It had, and has, pro-Russian elements amongst its population, and yes, there are likely some fascist elements as well. However, that doesn't justify invasion by Russia as a means to influence Ukrainian affairs. Autocratic behaviors in Russia in the last several weeks have been highlighted; arrest and incarceration of political opponents, muzzling of independent news sources, the flight of capital and upwardly mobile, highly educated citizens all speak to something other than a rules-based political system. Ukraine has demonstrated its intent from 2013 and on into the present. Their movement has been towards representative government. Not perfect, not a straight line, but unmistakable and internal. How would we react if Mexico dreamed up justification to support separatist elements in Texas, then invaded from the south to "de-Nazify" the US , establish international borders between Texas and surrounding states and "keep the peace" for Texans of hispanic descent? Would we legitimize their just efforts to avoid "genocide" of Hispanic populations in Texas? And, how would the world react?

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John Schmeeckle's avatar

I could write a lengthy rebuttal, covering points that I've made already. For now I'll just mention one thing: The thug regime in Ukraine recently suspended ALL opposition parties, and you didn't know that.

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Steve Lord's avatar

No, they haven't. Only the parties that openly support subjugation to Russia, and at this point, giving political comfort and aid to Russia is clearly treason.

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John Schmeeckle's avatar

You are sadly misinformed.

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Just Sayin''s avatar

It's a shame they haven't evolved beyond that Soviet era behavior. It's hard to imagine legitimizing Russian military intervention as a solution to that, however...

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John Schmeeckle's avatar

It pays to keep in mind what the other side is saying, which gets routinely ignored by Biden partisans. According to the Russians:

1. Ukraine was building up on the Donbass line of control, preparing to invade.

2. Ukrainian (neo-Nazi) military units had been shelling ethnic Russian villages for years, causing thousands of civilian casualties.

3. Just before the invasion, Ukraine publicly suggested that they would develop nuclear weapons.

4. Russia faced the threat of a replay of the Cuban missile crisis.

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TCinLA's avatar

You are a semi-literate moron who can't write three consecutive words that make sense, like every other inbred Trump-loving pissant Putin-loving traitor.

Go. Fuck. Off.

And when you get through doing that, go over there and Fuck. Off.

And then go there and Fuck. Off.

And then go catch the Covid hoax and Make America Great Again.

Permanently.

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Mary McGee Heins's avatar

John, please provide evidence, a trustworthy link, or site a reputable author to verify your assertion here. When you use terms like "thug regime" I suspect that you are not too well-versed in the topic but just parroting far-right memes.

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Steve Lord's avatar

Mary - You're correct, but it's even more extreme - John is mostly parroting not just far-right memes, but Sputnik and RT, which are explicitly funded by the Kremlin.

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TCinLA's avatar

Stop taking this little semiliterate pissant seriously.

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Steve Lord's avatar

TCinLA - Good idea. Trolls thrive on attention. He's done. But if you want another laugh, and have a good anti-virus/anti-bot/firewall program, check out the "greatgameindia" blog/website.

It's mostly, maybe entirely, nonsense copied from the remnants of Q-Anon media.

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John Schmeeckle's avatar

With your use of the words "trustworthy" and "reputable," you set yourself to reject anything that doesn't get past your self-imposed blinders. But there is this:

https://greatgameindia.com/hunter-biden-zelensky-neo-nazi/

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Mary McGee Heins's avatar

My "self-imposed blinkers" block out obviously biased reporting, John. Re: Hunter Biden if the problem doesn't bear on the nation's security or problematic alliances (Kushner, e.g.), it's a deflection from the real problems at hand. Young Biden's interests fall in that category, Republican/Russian deflection from our real problems.

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John Schmeeckle's avatar

The real question here (and I haven't read the book) is whether Joe (not Hunter) Biden colluded with the controllers of the mainstream news media to hide from the general public (just before an election) evidence of corrupt dealings with foreign nations, including China.

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Mary McGee Heins's avatar

Yes, of course it is. But, in the meantime, while you and your ilk are searching for mud to sling at Biden, what are you doing to strengthen democracy in the US and around the world? This is what Biden and the rest of us are about right now. What are your hopes and aspirations for a free and democratic country? Your comments indicate nothing but opposition to that effort. You seem to not understand this country and have no sympathy for our democratic ideals of civil rights and human rights. Biden is a major player in the world right now defending that democracy. Why are you not defending him?

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TCinLA's avatar

You have me confused with someone who is interested in what an inbred quasi-literate Trumpscum has to say about anything. You'll notice I didn't use the word "think" since that implies you possess equipment it is obvious you don't.

And mommy still wants her computer back, little boy.

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